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[alang1216]

Donald Trump was not elected?

Twice but that is not enough for him.

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump told Christians on Friday that if they vote for him this November, "in four years, you don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good, you're not gonna have to vote."

 

[alang1216]

Only it's weak and shaky.

It's good enough since I live in Virginia.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Twice but that is not enough for him.

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump told Christians on Friday that if they vote for him this November, "in four years, you don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good, you're not gonna have to vote."

And you listened to him and believed him?

I'm not that stupid.

 

[Lockback]

Twice but that is not enough for him.

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump told Christians on Friday that if they vote for him this November, "in four years, you don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good, you're not gonna have to vote."

And you're so dense, so fog-brained, so utterly without rational thought, so brainwashed that you took that literally?

 

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If not me, who?

What was it you said to me the other day in that thread?

A moot question as we both know that will never happen.

 

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Terrible. Democracy sucks, I see why the Right prefers autocracy instead.

You do realize it's not the form of government as much as it is the morals of the people, right?

This is literally what subjective morals produces. We are getting exactly the kind of government we deserve.

 

[alang1216]

And you listened to him and believed him?

I'm not that stupid.

I guess not all of us like being lied to. But that is just me.

 

[alang1216]

And you're so dense, so fog-brained, so utterly without rational thought, so brainwashed that you took that literally?

I hold my candidates to a somewhat higher standard.

 

[alang1216]

What was it you said to me the other day in that thread?

I don't see a connection.

 

[alang1216]

You do realize it's not the form of government as much as it is the morals of the people, right?

This is literally what subjective morals produces. We are getting exactly the kind of government we deserve.

Yes we are getting exactly the kind of government we deserve, but this is literally what a theocracy with absolute morals produces. Ask the Iranians.

 

[Lockback]

I guess not all of us like being lied to. But that is just me.

You're mighty subjective. Biden and Obama lied to you constantly and you licked it right up like a kitten laps up cream.

 

[Lockback]

Yes we are getting exactly the kind of government we deserve, but this is literally what a theocracy with absolute morals produces. Ask the Iranians.

YES! Man, the police knocked on my door Sunday morning and forced me to go to church! I couldn't believe it! We're in a theocracy!

 

[Lockback]

I hold my candidates to a somewhat higher standard.

No you don't.
You don't hold them to any standard or you wouldn't have voted for Joe Biden, among others.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I guess not all of us like being lied to. But that is just me.

I don't like it either.

But if you believed Harris or Biden, you are a fool.

 

[toobfreak]

Only it's weak and shaky.

Weak and shaky? How the hell did we get back to talking about Joe Bedpan again?

 

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Is that worse than you making moral arguments that everyone has to agree with?

Great question. If no one ever rationalized they were doing right when they were doing wrong, there wouldn't be a need to make moral arguments. In our society it is common to lie and be deceitful. It's acceptable. A democrat or republican will argue something that is a lie and other democrats and republicans will go right along with it. Why? Because they are fighting evil and it's justified. Think of what's going on right now. Each side in the battle over Israel's right to exist thinks they are fighting evil so the evil they commit is justified or good.

Arguing morals are relative and truth is subjective invalidates the line between good and evil without people even ever knowing they are doing it. It makes it OK to justify doing almost anything. Which is almost always driven by power, greed, resources, money and survival. We were created for good. That's why we struggle with the way the world is, but a Darwinian world doesn't care about good. It only cares about winning.

So, to answer your question, I'm not always right, but reality is. So when I discover the objective truth about something, that's what I argue until I am convinced that I made a mistake and there is something new I should be arguing. If people really believed that God is Truth, maybe there wouldn't be a need to make moral arguments anymore.

 

[toobfreak]

And you're so dense, so fog-brained,

...And you've nailed alang's usual speed, from 0 knots to full thread derail with rampant stupidity.

 

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I guess not all of us like being lied to. But that is just me.

Have you ever lied?

 

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I don't see a connection.

The connection was I replied to your question with your reply to my question from another thread. Thought you should know what that was like.

But unlike in that other thread, I'll actually answer your question now.

No one. Because we shouldn't have to.

 

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Yes we are getting exactly the kind of government we deserve, but this is literally what a theocracy with absolute morals produces. Ask the Iranians.

So much to unpack here.

1. I'm not for theocracies. I like Republics.
2. Absolute morals aren't the problem in Iran. Like always it's the people.
3. I'm not advocating the kind of morals you think I am. I'm advocating objectivity instead of moral relativity. Absolute morals are another way of saying standards and the only standards I care about are honesty and accountability.
4. Our government is the way it is because there's no honesty and accountability.