Can You Show the Universe and Earth Was Created by the Big Bang by Showing the Energy?

[toobfreak]

 

[ReinyDays]

Two naked ladies sharing one cup of coffee ...

 

[james bond]

What ever makes you think the Big Bang was a release of energy?

Our universe works by GR. Anything that anyone creates takes energy. Even evolution happening would require energy.

Anyway, I think what we agreed today is that time and space always existed and that falls into the realm of God, too. He's the one who lives in the 4th dimension. IOW, time and space is infinite. Something infinite is just an idea in our x, y, and z axis. We can't exactly reach it as one has to divide by zero. However, the idea can be proposed in math with the infinity sign. It's a concept we can understand. Whether one reaches it isn't the point, but as a concept such as living forever.

What we can't have is near infinite energy in our universe, but it had to come into existence from time and space. Also, it had to be created by an intelligence as it was directed to form things that can be explained by math. Math is something that somehow explains most of this universe we live in and would be another evidence for this infinite intelligence.

With energy, I think Einstein was one of the early founders if not the first one. His e=mc2 means energy is converted, not created. His c refers to the speed of light, so that squared is some huge number. IOW, one can't just create light in this universe. It had to have been created outside of it. Einstein also believed that there will be a big crunch eventually as the energy would run out and everything would collapse into a gigantic black hole.

The atheist scientists have predicted the big crunch will happen some time between ten and twenty billion years and we are living in that span now. It could happen tomorrow or in the near future when we are still alive.

 

[james bond]

We can assume there are no multiverses as one would require even more energy to create a second universe.

Multiple universes are virtuaslly DEMANDED. Your problem is this crazy assumption about the Big Bang depending on energy.

We already know quantum physics cannot create that kind of energy.

So now we must shape our universe to fit current theory rather than fitting theory to match the universe?

What you don't understand is the c in e=mc2. How often have we seen this equation? It's speed of light squared. It means we have to have this kind of energy created and God did that. I don't know of anything that can create that kind of light energy. One can't just create light from time and space.

Science supposedly explains what happened from the evidence or facts that we find. Our universe accelerating means that some incredible energy was created and is still affecting the universe. I think it also means that one day the universe will collapse. We are in that period now. It means the CMB will be destroyed. Even the atheist scientists believe that.

 

[ReinyDays]

What ever makes you think the Big Bang was a release of energy?

Our universe works by GR. Anything that anyone creates takes energy. Even evolution happening would require energy.

Anyway, I think what we agreed today is that time and space always existed and that falls into the realm of God, too. He's the one who lives in the 4th dimension. IOW, time and space is infinite. Something infinite is just an idea in our x, y, and z axis. We can't exactly reach it as one has to divide by zero. However, the idea can be proposed in math with the infinity sign. It's a concept we can understand. Whether one reaches it isn't the point, but as a concept such as living forever.

What we can't have is near infinite energy in our universe, but it had to come into existence from time and space. Also, it had to be created by an intelligence as it was directed to form things that can be explained by math. Math is something that somehow explains most of this universe we live in and would be another evidence for this infinite intelligence.

With energy, I think Einstein was one of the early founders if not the first one. His e=mc2 means energy is converted, not created. His c refers to the speed of light, so that squared is some huge number. IOW, one can't just create light in this universe. It had to have been created outside of it. Einstein also believed that there will be a big crunch eventually as the energy would run out and everything would collapse into a gigantic black hole.

The atheist scientists have predicted the big crunch will happen some time between ten and twenty billion years and we are living in that span now. It could happen tomorrow or in the near future when we are still alive.

HAw ha whaw ha wha wha hwa ... even Einstein knew GR didn't explain the universe, spent his end years searching for Universal Field Theory ... something we've not yet conjured up ...

Only creating things that are more ordered than before takes energy ... creating things that are less ordered would release energy ... Physics 101 ...

What lab experiment can we perform to demonstrate your claims? ... why can't we have near infinite energy in the universe? ... how much energy do you think is in the universe? ... Why can't energy be bounded up in a singularity? ...

The atheist scientists have predicted the big crunch will happen some time between ten and twenty billion years and we are living in that span now. It could happen tomorrow or in the near future when we are still alive.

No they don't ... what kind of horseshit is this? ... the expansion of the universe is still accelerating ... possibly for another few trillion years ... you should probably stick to "loving your brother as you love yourself" ... especially that last part ... your own self-loathing is clouding your judgement ...

 

[toobfreak]

Anything that anyone creates takes energy.

We're talking about the Big Bang here. The BB created nothing. No work was done.

Anyway, I think what we agreed today is that time and space always existed

No! That is exactly what we DON'T agree! Time and space always DIDN'T exist!

and that falls into the realm of God, too. He's the one who lives in the 4th dimension.

No he DOESN'T exist in the 4th dimension. The 4th dimension is TIME. The BB nor God cannot be a function of something contained or created BY and WITHIN the BB or God. Both must exist wholly OUTSIDE time and space to effect them otherwise they would be CONTROLLED by them.

IOW, time and space is infinite.

They certainly CANNOT be infinite. Nothing created can be infinite. The very act and process of "creation" precludes infinity. Anything infinite must by definition be the causal plane of the supreme-- -- God.

 

[toobfreak]

The atheist scientists have predicted the big crunch will happen some time between ten and twenty billion years

... even Einstein knew GR didn't explain the universe, spent his end years searching for Universal Field Theory ... something we've not yet conjured up ...

GUT remains an unresolvable dilemma because macro GR and micro QT are fundamentally INCOMPATIBLE. Both do a superb job of predicting things at their own level, but not the OTHER level. At the heart of the problem is that messy stuff gravity. So weak that an ant can overcome the Earth's entire field to move a leaf, yet so strong that it can shape and control whole clusters of galaxies, indeed, the very curvature of space itself.

Einstein was both right and wrong-- -- the universe is both determined by and shaped by probability, yet God himself does not play dice with the universe. Everything that will happen already has happened, yet nothing happens.

 

[Hollie]

Is your proof from the probes we've sent all across the galaxy?

That's my question to you. Where is the evidence for your created energy?

You can send probes out or figure it out. You've created things in your life and it required energy. You can measure it to some extent, but you may not be able to measure it all.

For example, the sun requires great energy as it puts out great energy. Where did all that energy come from in a natural universe?

Look at all the stars and the energy they radiate. One needs a lot of energy. E=mc2 gives us GR. It means any matter requires energy to produce it.

Friedmann was explain how the expanding universe came to be from a beginning with his equations using GR, but he didn't explain where the energy came from.

The best explanation is a supernatural God. He is the dark energy.

Supernatural gods are not an explanation for anything.

One God. One Bible. One universe, Earth, and everything in it.

Big bang cannot explain the amount of energy created. The atheist scientists already made up a lie with singularity as there can't be anything of infinite density and infinite temperature. The atheist scientists made up a lie about quantum mechanics starting space and time, too. Even if we assume those things, including cosmic expansion which violates the laws of physics, happened, QM cannot create the extraordinary energy required.

I'm going to assume God and the Bible has won this argument forever and the atheist and their scientists have nothing to hang their hats upon anymore. Even the Friedmann cosmology does not do right anymore.

Your gods and your bibles are just partisan examples of gods and alleged holy texts competing with similar claims to gods and holy texts by others. Your gods are really just hand-me-down versions of gods derived from earlier tales and fables.

I've noted before that your lack of a science vocabulary causes you to state terms and definitions you don't understand. There was no big bang. There was the expansion of the universe by causes science doesn't fully understand.

The hyper-religious zealots parrot slogans such as ''a singularity'' that they don't understand. "Singularity'' is a term that defines solving a mathematical solution (of sorts) to Einstein’s theory of relativity. It’s really solving the equation until a null solution is reached.

The “singularity” is actually misconception typically pressed by religioners in an attempt to denigrate science. This allows them to maintain their super-magical gods without any evidence.

Of course, you will ''assume'' your gods and your retreat to fear and ignorance won the argument because that calms an emotional requirement to avoid any discussion that pulls you out of your safe zone of ''the gods did it''. Never having made any case for your versions of gods makes your claim that ''the gods did it'' just so much pleading to ignorance.

 

[ding]

If the universe and Earth was created by the Big Bang, then wouldn't there be much energy created? Where is the evidence for this energy being created?

I learned in high school that energy can’t be created. It can only be converted from one form to another.

The evidence is in the cosmic background radiation which is the remnant of the creation of energy from nothing.

Let me know if you need for me to explain it.

 

[ding]

If the universe and Earth was created by the Big Bang, then wouldn't there be much energy created? Where is the evidence for this energy being created?

I learned in high school that energy can’t be created. It can only be converted from one form to another.

If the universe and Earth was created by the Big Bang, then wouldn't there be much energy created?

Yes. Look around. It's everywhere!!!

Sure, it can be created by a supernatural God, but not by natural means because energy can't be created.

Who said the energy was created? What if it was already there?

It was literally created from nothing according to the laws of conservation and quantum mechanics. It is not possible for matter/energy to exist forever without reaching thermal equilibrium. So the only way a universe like ours which has not reached thermal equilibrium can exist... is for it to be created out of nothing. There is literally no way around this. So the question then becomes how can a universe be created from nothing without violating the law of conservation and the answer to that question is that the net energy of the universe is zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of gravity. So there is no law that prevents the creation of a universe out of nothing.

 

[ding]

Big bounce makes way more sense than big bang.

No chance, man. That theory is dead. The SLoT precludes that. Energy would have to be added to the system (which presents a new and bigger problem) and one would have to explain how there was no beginning and would have to explain why cosmic background radiation exists.

 

[ding]

Is your proof from the probes we've sent all across the galaxy?

That's my question to you. Where is the evidence for your created energy?

You can send probes out or figure it out. You've created things in your life and it required energy. You can measure it to some extent, but you may not be able to measure it all.

For example, the sun requires great energy as it puts out great energy. Where did all that energy come from in a natural universe?

Look at all the stars and the energy they radiate. One needs a lot of energy. E=mc2 gives us GR. It means any matter requires energy to produce it.

Friedmann was explain how the expanding universe came to be from a beginning with his equations using GR, but he didn't explain where the energy came from.

The best explanation is a supernatural God. He is the dark energy.

Supernatural gods are not an explanation for anything.

Not your perception anyway. But a realistic perception? Yes. It makes perfect sense. The current science has the universe popping into existence being created from no thing. God is no thing.

 

[ding]

Is your proof from the probes we've sent all across the galaxy?

That's my question to you. Where is the evidence for your created energy?

You can send probes out or figure it out. You've created things in your life and it required energy. You can measure it to some extent, but you may not be able to measure it all.

For example, the sun requires great energy as it puts out great energy. Where did all that energy come from in a natural universe?

Look at all the stars and the energy they radiate. One needs a lot of energy. E=mc2 gives us GR. It means any matter requires energy to produce it.

Friedmann was explain how the expanding universe came to be from a beginning with his equations using GR, but he didn't explain where the energy came from.

The best explanation is a supernatural God. He is the dark energy.

Supernatural gods are not an explanation for anything.

One God. One Bible. One universe, Earth, and everything in it.

Big bang cannot explain the amount of energy created. The atheist scientists already made up a lie with singularity as there can't be anything of infinite density and infinite temperature. The atheist scientists made up a lie about quantum mechanics starting space and time, too. Even if we assume those things, including cosmic expansion which violates the laws of physics, happened, QM cannot create the extraordinary energy required.

I'm going to assume God and the Bible has won this argument forever and the atheist and their scientists have nothing to hang their hats upon anymore. Even the Friedmann cosmology does not do right anymore.

Your gods and your bibles are just partisan examples of gods and alleged holy texts competing with similar claims to gods and holy texts by others. Your gods are really just hand-me-down versions of gods derived from earlier tales and fables.

I've noted before that your lack of a science vocabulary causes you to state terms and definitions you don't understand. There was no big bang. There was the expansion of the universe by causes science doesn't fully understand.

The hyper-religious zealots parrot slogans such as ''a singularity'' that they don't understand. "Singularity'' is a term that defines solving a mathematical solution (of sorts) to Einstein’s theory of relativity. It’s really solving the equation until a null solution is reached.

The “singularity” is actually misconception typically pressed by religioners in an attempt to denigrate science. This allows them to maintain their super-magical gods without any evidence.

Of course, you will ''assume'' your gods and your retreat to fear and ignorance won the argument because that calms an emotional requirement to avoid any discussion that pulls you out of your safe zone of ''the gods did it''. Never having made any case for your versions of gods makes your claim that ''the gods did it'' just so much pleading to ignorance.

You need to put down the bible and look at the science. The science denier is you.

 

[ding]

Big bang cannot explain the amount of energy created.

Where did you get the idea that the Big Bang was trying to explain "energy creation"?

I'm asking where did the big bang get its energy from. All BB explains is the expansion which Friedmann did. Now use the e=mc2 or GR to explain the near infinite energy required.

Technically.... the energy came from a mistake.

"...How is it that we have a universe of matter at all?

Our universe is made of four kinds of so-called elementary particles: neutrons, protons, electrons, and photons, which are particles of radiation. (I disregard neutrinos, since they do not interact with other matter; also the host of other particles that appear transiently in the course of high‑energy nuclear interactions.) The only important qualification one need make to such a simple statement is that the first three particles exist also as antiparticles, the particles constituting matter, the anti-particles anti-matter. When matter comes into contact with anti-matter they mutually annihilate each other, and their masses are instantly turned into radiation according to Einstein’s famous equation, E = mc2, in which E is the energy of the radiation, m is the annihilated mass, and c is the speed of light.

The positive and negative electric charges that divide particles from anti-particles are perfectly symmetrical. So the most reasonable expectation is that exactly equal numbers of both particles and anti-particles entered the Big Bang, the cosmic explosion in which our universe is thought to have begun. In that case, however, in the enormous compression of material at the Big Bang, there must have occurred a tremendous storm of mutual annihilation, ending with the conversion of all the particles and anti-particles into radiation. We should have come out of the Big Bang with a universe containing only radiation.

Fortunately for us, it seems that a tiny mistake was made. In 1965, Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson at the Bell Telephone Laboratories in New Jersey discovered a new microwave radiation that fills the universe, coming equally from all directions, wherever one may be. It is by far the dominant radiation in the universe; billions of years of starlight have added to it only negligibly. It is commonly agreed that this is the residue remaining from that gigantic firestorm of mutual annihilation in the Big Bang.

It turns out that there are about one billion photons of that radiation for every proton in the universe. Hence it is thought that what went into the Big Bang were not exactly equal numbers of particles and anti-particles, but that for every billion anti-particles there were one billion and one particles, so that when all the mutual annihilation had happened, there remained over that one particle per billion, and that now constitutes all the matter in the universe -- all the galaxies, the stars and planets, and of course all life..."

George Wald: Life and Mind in the Universe

 

[ding]

When your question implies a fundamental misunderstanding of what the big bang theory even is...what's the point? You need to read & understand the theory before asking non-sensical questions about it...wtf? Who does that?

You lost, too. The big bang with the Friedmann cosmology only explains the expansion. It doesn't explain where that kind of e=mc2 came from. God is the only answer.

Your question asks "can you show the big bang created the universe"

the big bang theory isnt about creating the universe.

the end

What is it about?

 

[ding]

Big bang cannot explain the amount of energy created.

Where did you get the idea that the Big Bang was trying to explain "energy creation"?

I'm asking where did the big bang get its energy from. All BB explains is the expansion which Friedmann did. Now use the e=mc2 or GR to explain the near infinite energy required.

All BB explains is the expansion

Yup. So why are you asking it to explain something it never intended to explain?

That is not technically correct. Friedmann's solutions to Einstein's field equation predict the expansion of the universe from the point in time where the equations no longer yield infinite values which is the so called singularity that most people don't understand. The singularity is just a mathematical thing. It has no real physical representation of any particular noteworthy thing.

 

[ding]

We can assume there are no multiverses as one would require even more energy to create a second universe.

Multiple universes are virtuaslly DEMANDED. Your problem is this crazy assumption about the Big Bang depending on energy.

We already know quantum physics cannot create that kind of energy.

So now we must shape our universe to fit current theory rather than fitting theory to match the universe?

I don't know if I will go that far. I will only go as far as they are possible if they too began with nearly equal amounts of matter and anti-matter as our universe did. Which as near as we can tell was a mistake.

 

[ding]

Two naked ladies sharing one cup of coffee ...

I see two naked jenny's fighting over a very attractive and intelligent male donkey with thick rimmed glasses.

 

[ChemEngineer]

I learned in high school that energy can’t be created. It can only be converted from one form to another.

You learned science in high school. Creation is far beyond the realm of science, Friend. Nature's God can create matter, obviously, and so energy in various forms, is simply an elegant and necessary addition to matter. Now please imagine humans without eyesight. We would be little more than local earthworms. But the elegance of seeing things near and far.... that is something for you to contemplate every day of your life, and be thankful for.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Big bounce makes way more sense than big bang.

Adding elasticity is the smarter move