Zone1 Can you find the Flaw in Atheist Speaker Christopher Hitchens' Logic Here.

[Hafar1014]

I watch real interviews with real psychopaths and real psychologists tell us what we are seeing. The narcissism, parasitic lifestyle, etc. So interesting.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13530014/

I will give you this. The true psychopath doesn't love the people they are using. They are incapable.

I love the ones where the guy killed his whole family then went and turned himself in. He was acting like he felt guilty about it but the psychologists point out how nothing in the way he's acting show that he's feeling remorse about what he did. And the reason he murdered them AND turned himself in is because they were done letting him use them and they were throwing him out. So prison was his only other option.

Thats not a psychopath there are other forms of mental illness that can cause the same acts. Rob Reiners son was a schizophrenic. Major depression has caused the murder suicide we see.

Famous individuals commonly cited as having or exhibiting traits of Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD) are typically notorious criminals, including Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Aileen Wuornos, and Charles Manson. These individuals demonstrated a chronic, severe disregard for the rights of others, lack of remorse, and manipulative behavior.

 

[Hafar1014]

How is saving their lives and seeing it the lesser of two evils, wrong?

It isnt evil you have serious guilt issues

 

[alang1216]

Hafar1014 Re: Zoroastrianism is nothing like Judaism. Its dualism Judaism is absolute monotheism

Judaism today is monotheist but it didn't begin that way, it was originally monolatristic. It is important to distinguish this from monotheism, as the core of monolatrism is not the non-existence of other gods, but the devotion to just one.

 

[alang1216]

What has this to do with your own lack of belief/acceptance of God? It makes it sounds like you believe that Jews were the only people on the planet who were touched by God's presence, by God in our midst. I am betting God touched the lives of people in many tribes where the experiences never made into print.

Do we ever come to know any person or being all at once? Our best friends are kept close, we keep in touch, and they can still surprise us.

But yes, I understood/understand Zoroastrianism (and many more ancient beliefs, religions, myths). At the moment I am more interested in the present you and your own understanding and acceptance of God. First, your experience, then the reading/research of the experiences of others.

I don't know who or what God is and we're both happy about that.

 

[Hafar1014]

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Hafar1014 Re: Zoroastrianism is nothing like Judaism. Its dualism Judaism is absolute monotheism

Judaism today is monotheist but it didn't begin that way, it was originally monolatristic. It is important to distinguish this from monotheism, as the core of monolatrism is not the non-existence of other gods, but the devotion to just one.

A diference without a distinction.

 

[Meriweather]

I don't know who or what God is and we're both happy about that.

Don't fabricate. Your presence here says differently.

 

[alang1216]

A diference without a distinction.

Maybe, but a very useful fact if you wish to understand some of the early Bible stories, e.g. the Golden Calf

 

[Hafar1014]

Maybe, but a very useful fact if you wish to understand some of the early Bible stories, e.g. the Golden Calf

Thats an idol

 

[alang1216]

Don't fabricate. Your presence here says differently.

I'm just here to spread joy. And maybe offer up some knowledge and a different perspective.

 

[alang1216]

Thats an idol

Obviously you don't wish to understand. Why an idol?

 

[Hafar1014]

Obviously you don't wish to understand. Why an idol?

Its a meta[phor in an allegory
The Golden Calf in Exodus 32 symbolizes idolatry, faithlessness, and the human desire for tangible, visible representations of the divine, occurring when Israelites lost patience during Moses' 40-day absence on Mount Sinai. Created by Aaron from melted jewelry, it represents a syncretism of God with Egyptian/Canaanite paganism.

 

[alang1216]

Its a meta[phor in an allegory
The Golden Calf in Exodus 32 symbolizes idolatry, faithlessness, and the human desire for tangible, visible representations of the divine, occurring when Israelites lost patience during Moses' 40-day absence on Mount Sinai. Created by Aaron from melted jewelry, it represents a syncretism of God with Egyptian/Canaanite paganism.

Based on an actual event? As a monotheist, if you lost faith in God you'd become an atheist. If you were a polytheist and lost faith in God you'd just turn to another god. That is what the Israelites did because they were polytheists.

 

[ding]

So you'd choose compassion over justice? If a young child is brought to this country illegally and is discovered many years later, as an adult, you'd 'turn the over cheek' and let them stay or insist that justice says they must go?

In that scenario, yes, I would choose compassion over justice. In part because that wouldn't be justice. That wouldn't necessarily be the case in all cases though. Each case should be evaluated on its own merits.

I would be great if more Christians followed his message.

Absolutely.

Jesus corrected misguided motives in his followers, such as seeking personal gain or using piety as an excuse to avoid personal responsibility.

 

[ding]

No fun when the shoe is on the other foot.

When was that?

I guess that is me choosing to be immoral and opting for an 'eye for an eye'.

Now you are starting to get it.

Are you ever going to answer my question why you never choose to be immoral?

 

[ding]

Youre clueless regarding morals and thats clear.

If that were true you'd be able to show how that was true rather than making an unsubstantiated accusation.

Your thinking is concrete categorical.

If that were true you'd be able to show how that was true rather than making an unsubstantiated accusation.

That explains a lot. I never attacked Christianity...

You attack Christianity on a daily basis here. And you continue to do it even after your errors have been explained to you.

I question its dogma...

That's you rationalizing a wrong as a right. Adam did the same thing.

God: Adam did you eat the fruit?
Adam: The woman YOU made gave it to me.

...stolen from the Jews which I have every right to question. Today we call that plagiarism.

Jesus is Jewish.

 

[ding]

Jesus never said turn the other cheek He said if you strike on the right cheek( the assumption is backhand slap for a slave) then turn the other cheek. What that means in Jewish is take your best shot because Im going to kick your ass.

Incorrect.

"Turn the other cheek," from Jesus's Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:39), is a call to break the cycle of violence and retaliation through nonviolent resistance, not passive submission. It encourages responding to insults or injustice with dignity and grace, rather than meeting anger with more anger.

Key interpretations of this teaching include:

• Nonviolent Defiance: In that culture, a backhanded slap to the right cheek was an insult used by superiors to demean inferiors. Turning the left cheek forced the aggressor to treat the victim as an equal, effectively challenging the humiliation without returning violence.
• Refusal to Retaliate:
  It is a command to abandon personal revenge and "get back" at those who wrong you. It focuses on maintaining personal integrity.
  .
• Radical Love and Trust: It requires relying on God's justice rather than worldly, violent solutions, and even loving one's enemies.
  Contextual Meaning: It does not necessarily mean staying in abusive situations, but rather facing evil with a "third way" that is neither passive nor violent.

Essentially, it is a creative, courageous, and proactive stance that transforms conflict.

 

[alang1216]

When was that?

Every time you wrote "conspiracy".

Are you ever going to answer my question why you never choose to be immoral?

I don't believe I have ever thought to myself that I have too choices, one moral and one immoral so I'll pick the immoral one.

 

[ding]

Based on an actual event? As a monotheist, if you lost faith in God you'd become an atheist. If you were a polytheist and lost faith in God you'd just turn to another god. That is what the Israelites did because they were polytheists.

Google is your friend.

Judaism is monotheistic because it is based on the foundational belief in one, indivisible God who created and governs all existence, a revolutionary concept initiated by Abraham and solidified by Moses. This shift from surrounding polytheistic traditions emphasized ethical behavior and rejected idolatry, framing God as universal and just.

Key reasons for this monotheistic foundation include:

• The Abrahamic Covenant: Abraham rejected the paganism of his time to worship a single God, making this faith the cornerstone of Jewish tradition.
• Ethical Monotheism:Unlike other ancient religions where gods acted capriciously, Judaism posits that the one God is just, moral, and demands ethical behavior from humanity
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• • Anti-Tyranical Stance: Monotheism in the ancient Near East was a political and religious statement against the worship of multiple, often dictatorial, deities.
  • Evolutionary/Developmental History: While some perspectives argue it developed over time from earlier, henotheistic beliefs, it became a strict, defining characteristic of the faith.
  • God as "One" and Unique: The core confession of faith (the Shema) proclaims that God is unique and unlike any other entity.

 

[Hafar1014]

Incorrect.

"Turn the other cheek," from Jesus's Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:39), is a call to break the cycle of violence and retaliation through nonviolent resistance, not passive submission. It encourages responding to insults or injustice with dignity and grace, rather than meeting anger with more anger.

Key interpretations of this teaching include:

• Nonviolent Defiance: In that culture, a backhanded slap to the right cheek was an insult used by superiors to demean inferiors. Turning the left cheek forced the aggressor to treat the victim as an equal, effectively challenging the humiliation without returning violence.
• Refusal to Retaliate:
  It is a command to abandon personal revenge and "get back" at those who wrong you. It focuses on maintaining personal integrity.
  .
• Radical Love and Trust: It requires relying on God's justice rather than worldly, violent solutions, and even loving one's enemies.
  Contextual Meaning: It does not necessarily mean staying in abusive situations, but rather facing evil with a "third way" that is neither passive nor violent.

Essentially, it is a creative, courageous, and proactive stance that transforms conflict.

You dont understand what it really means. Thats the story of your life. Jews were not pacifists.

 

[ding]

Every time you wrote "conspiracy".

Ok, fair enough. It would be great if you could explain the massive amount of testimony that was deliberately written to show the divinity of Christ though. By going through each and every verse instead of waving your arms.

I don't believe I have ever thought to myself that I have too choices, one moral and one immoral so I'll pick the immoral one.

When you say, you never chose to be immoral, there are only two possible explanations; 1. you never do immoral things or 2. you don't realize what you are doing is immoral.

So are you saying you have never done anything immoral or are you saying when you do something immoral you don't know it is immoral?