Why don't you start from what understanding of God Jesus corrected and go from there? Because that's how investigations usually work; using a methodical systematic approach.
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Jesus corrected several deeply held religious and social beliefs, primarily targeting legalism, hypocritical leadership, and narrow interpretations of the law. He emphasized inner transformation over outward ritual, taught that love and mercy surpass traditional sacrifices, and declared himself the exclusive, necessary way to salvation rather than relying solely on ritual observance.
Key beliefs Jesus corrected include:
- Legalism vs. Mercy: Jesus corrected the Pharisees' strict, transactional adherence to law, emphasizing that mercy and love are more important than rigid, ritualistic obedience (e.g., healing on the Sabbath).
- The Nature of Leadership: He challenged religious leaders to stop pursuing status and, instead, embrace servant leadership grounded in humility and love, reversing the belief that leaders should be served.
- True Purity: Jesus corrected the belief that external rituals or avoiding certain people (lepers, sinners) made one clean, teaching that true defilement comes from within (the heart).
- Retribution ("Eye for an Eye"): He replaced the common, Old Testament-based understanding of strict retaliation with a radical, new standard of unconditional love, forgiveness, and non-retaliation.
- Exclusivity of Salvation: Jesus corrected the notion that salvation was attained solely by lineage or strict adherence to the Torah, teaching instead that he is the exclusive way to the Father.
- The Kingdom is Local/External: He countered the belief that the kingdom of God was a specific place or political entity to be awaited, teaching that it is "within you"—an internal, spiritual reality.
- The Purpose of Temple Sacrifice: He challenged the commercialization and exploitative nature of Temple sacrifices, signaling that his own sacrifice would fulfill and replace the entire system.
So since YOU believe this means the prophets were wrong, can you show me which prophets were wrong and how they were wrong?
None that I am aware of. You are looking at this all wrong.
alang1216
Jesus did not correct the prophets of the Old Testament, but rather fulfilled their prophecies and upheld their writings as authoritative. However, Jesus actively confronted, rebuked, and corrected the teachings, hypocrisy, and false interpretations of religious leaders (scribes and Pharisees) of his time.
Jesus did not correct the prophets of the Old Testament, but rather fulfilled their prophecies and upheld their writings as authoritative. However, Jesus actively confronted, rebuked, and corrected the teachings, hypocrisy, and false interpretations of religious leaders (scribes and Pharisees) of his time.
- Fulfillment, Not Correction: Jesus stated he came not to abolish the Law or the Prophets, but to fulfill them (Matthew 5:17). He acted as the ultimate prophet promised by Moses.
- Correction of Religious Leaders: Jesus rebuked the religious leaders, calling them hypocrites and "blind fools" for prioritizing their traditions over God's commands.
- Addressing Misconceptions: He corrected popular misconceptions about the Messiah and the kingdom of God.
- False Prophets: Jesus warned against "false prophets" who appeared in sheep's clothing but were inwardly ferocious wolves, correcting their false messages.
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I can't think of any, at least not before Ezra.
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We don't seem to be on the same page. I am speaking of personal moral decisions, and deciding upon personal moral decisions based on feelings or based on truth. Are your moral decisions based on feelings/opinions or based on that single truth?
If you are speaking about a personal decision regarding God, and you have decided you will base that decision on what you feel is truth and what you feel is fiction....then you have set up a scenario for yourself where you never have to make that decision. You can ride that fence all of your life, and the better question is why you have built yourself a corral where you don't even have to make that decision. That's like saying you will search War and Peace for a chocolate cake recipe--and if you don't find it there, then there is no recipe for chocolate cake. If you cannot find God in a book or a church, big deal. Welcome Him into your own life/existence.
alang1216 changed Jesus corrected religious misconceptions into Jesus corrected religion. He's trying to play the gotcha game.
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Understanding Old Testament passages (as well as any Bible passage) is researching/digging into the point the original author wanted to send to his original audience. Understanding that point makes anyone's interpretation secondary, perhaps even tertiary.
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He's not any good at it; he hasn't read the books, so it's pretty stupid of him to try that game.
According to him he had it all figured out by the time he was twelve years old.
What is self evident is that his followers reinvented Judaism as Christianity. Judaism was not in need of correcting.
None of them.
I like systematic approaches but start at the beginning. What about the Jewish understanding of God needed correction? Was this a minority view among Jews?
There were several interpretations in Jesus' day. His was one but a "correct" one is opinion not fact.
That's funny coming from you considering how much you have criticized the God of the OT. Or did you forget saying God ordered genocide when living beings were in an inconvenient location?
But no, Christianity did not reinvent Judaism. Christianity split from Judaism when Jesus corrected popular misconceptions about the Messiah and the kingdom of God and was rejected by mainstream Judaism.
I agree.
Which is why I said, Jesus corrected religious misconceptions and not Jesus corrected their religion. You were the one who pretzeled logic that.
That was addressed here.
Based on my values since I don't know your single truth.
Since I won't make a decision based on fiction, what i feel is truth is my only option.
Read the gospels. Jesus corrected the Jewish contemporary understanding of the Messiah.
Jesus fundamentally challenged the first-century Jewish expectations of the Messiah by reframing the role from a political, conquering king to a suffering servant. Instead of liberating Israel from Roman oppression, Jesus emphasized a spiritual kingdom, focused on suffering, and rejected expectations of an immediate, material restoration.
Key ways Jesus challenged existing beliefs:
- Suffering vs. Conquering: While many Jews expected a military leader to destroy enemies and establish a lasting kingdom, Jesus taught that the "Son of Man" must suffer, be rejected by leaders, and die.
- Spiritual Kingdom: Jesus defined his reign as spiritual (the "kingdom of God") rather than a physical, earthly kingdom.
- Inclusivity and Authority: He broke social norms by interacting with outcasts, healed on the Sabbath, and challenged Temple practices, which differed from the expected strict, legalistic leadership.
- Divine Nature: Jesus' claims to be one with God and to offer salvation were seen as blasphemous by many, rejecting the traditional view that the Messiah would be a human king.
Key Bible verses where Jesus challenges existing Messianic beliefs include:
- Mark 8:31 (and Mark 9:31, 10:33-34): Jesus explicitly teaches that the Son of Man must suffer, be rejected, and die—a concept antithetical to the popular expectation of an ever-victorious king.
- John 18:36: Jesus tells Pilate, "My kingdom is not of this world," directly contradicting the hope for a nationalistic, earthly liberation.
- Matthew 21:5-11: By entering Jerusalem on a donkey rather than a warhorse, Jesus fulfills Zechariah 9:9 to represent a humble, peaceful Messiah, rejecting the triumphant warrior role.
- John 6:15: After feeding the 5,000, the crowd tries to make him king by force, but Jesus withdraws, refusing to conform to their political agenda.
- Matthew 13:24-33: Through the parables of the wheat/weeds and the mustard seed, Jesus teaches that the Kingdom of God is a slow, quiet, spiritual growth, not a violent, instant overthrow of wicked rulers.
- John 4:25-26: When a woman mentions the expected Messiah, Jesus openly declares himself, but in the context of offering "living water" rather than political freedom.
Read the gospels. Jesus actively validated and fulfilled numerous Old Testament prophecies, affirming them as pointing to his life, death, and resurrection. He frequently cited Scriptures—such as Isaiah 61, Psalm 22, and Daniel—to identify himself as the promised Messiah, explaining that these writings were fulfilled in his ministry.
- Self-Identification: In Luke 4:17-21, Jesus read from Isaiah 61 and declared, "Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing," directly linking his mission to prophecy.
- Specific Fulfillment: Jesus validated prophecies regarding his birth in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2), ministry, and sacrificial death (Isaiah 53).
- Final Validation: After his resurrection, Jesus told his disciples that everything written about him in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms had to be fulfilled (Luke 24:44).
FYI, he has read and studied the entire Bible. ding believes asking difficult questions is playing gotcha.
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Rubbish. You read some idiot websites and then parrot whatever it was that made your leg tingle.
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Judaism is a distortion of God's Old Covenant laws. Jesus is the fulfillment of those laws.
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