Can we reasonably discuss Trump?

[Flash]

First off, stuff your condescending attitude. Trump fans have been the irrational ones after the election, not us, and you really ought to apologize for being so hysterical. We get it, you're butthurt because we keep pointing out your immorality, and you aren't able to bully us into stopping. Tough luck. Deal with it, snowflake.

Now, let's start the cycle of you evading again. All of this was discussed in detail during the campaign, so it's causing major eye-rolls when you pretend not to have seen it.

One reason we say Trump is a thief -- he made it a policy to stiff his contractors (we can get into his policy of stiffing his shareholders and stiffing his customers later.)

USA TODAY exclusive: Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills

He would almost never pay a contractor what the contract said. He would always find fault, and then offer half, and say "take it or take me to court", knowing that most contractors couldn't afford to take him to court.

To most people, that's robbery, a rich guy robbing small contractors because he can.

What do you think of the tactic? That is, assuming you won't deny he used it, or say everyone did it, or evade in some other fashion.

Have you ever been a project manager? If so what was the scope?

 

[NYcarbineer]

There ain't no "can be construed" about it, at all. He's the MODEL of classic Narcissistic Personality Disorder. No one else would be literally up all night sending whiny tweets at 3 in the morning. He's severely mentally ill. There's simply no question about that.

Where is your Doctor of Psychology degree? I think there IS a question about it and you've not presented any evidence. Lots of people are up at 3am. That's sure as hell not a sign of mental illness.

I do believe he's a misogynist though. There's way too much evidence.

Let's pony up with it!

Trump bragged that his fame and fortune gave him the power to approach women, grab them by the pussy, and get away with it.

How many times do you people need to be reminded of that?

 

[Picaro]

Okay, so the election happened and the transition is over. Donald John Trump is officially our 45th President of the United States of America. Some of us supported him enthusiastically, some of us held our noses and voted for him, some of us couldn't vote for him, some of us opposed him strongly and some probably didn't care one way or another. But he's now the president and he'll be the president unless he dies or gets impeached. Love him or hate him, that's now a fact of life.

I've been patient with those who supported Clinton and had to work through the shock of losing the election because I know how this feels. It takes you a while to work through the emotions and come to terms with things. In the meantime, you might say things that aren't very reasonable. I think we've all had time to let this soak in now and it's time we get on with the business of life.

I keep seeing these comments on social media and elsewhere about Trump being a racist, homophobe, misogynist, Hitler-like, etc. Whenever you question someone about such allegations, they just emote nonsense. They never can really tell me what the man said that supports such a charge. It's always a gross misinterpretation of something he said or did or an outright lie about something he never said or did. You have to twist things out of context and make false assumptions to reach this conclusion. When you have to do that, it's not reasonable. You're not making a reasoned argument.

Look, I totally get that a lot of people don't like his policy ideas. I understand an objection to things he has proposed doing or positions he has taken. I don't agree with Trump on everything, in fact, I couldn't actually cast my vote for him in the general. He said too many things that contradict my conservative principles and he just didn't meet my criteria to earn my vote. But he's not a racist. He's not a homophobe or misogynist. I see no comparison whatsoever to Hitler. I don't even think he is a narcissist. He's very confident in himself, I'll give you that. He can be very cocky and abrasively arrogant, and sometimes that can be construed as narcissism.

So now, if you have calmed down emotionally enough to reasonably discuss Trump, I am willing to entertain your thoughts on these allegations of whatever. This isn't a flame-fest or thread for you to emotively vent your frustration with the outcome of the elections. It's not about policies or politics in general, I realize many people disagree on his policies and politics. This is specifically for the reasoned discussion of Trump's personal views on race, gender, lifestyle, etc. It's time to put your evidence on the table and let's have a reasoned evaluation based on the facts.

I was moved by all the outright and truly appalling media lying and misrepresentation to vote for Trump, as a protest, and so were many others. As we can see here, most of the Hillary supporters are to narcissistic and ignorant to grasp why their fake news and hype didn't swing the election ... i.e., half-wits with high esteem, they major products of the current modern education system. The current waves of board spamming by the cretins is of course making it even more obvious why he won and will win again.

 

[PurpleOwl]

sure? what do you wanna know specifically? I'm guessing your looking for info you can't find on google alone right?

No, I am honestly trying to get to the bottom of what is causing all this overblown emotional anguish with some in our society. I don't understand it. This man has been in the public eye for 50 years and has never shown any indication of racism as far as I know, but suddenly he's a flaming racist. Same with women... yeah, he's been married a few times but so what? Homophobia? He's the most pro-LGBT candidate to ever win an election. So what is the root of all this? Where is it coming from? Is it simply about politics and nothing else? Is it because he's pro-life? Supports the 2nd Amendment? Wants to stop illegal immigration?

I think he is being falsely and irrationally judged based on hyperbole and rhetoric... nothing more. You've chosen to attack him personally because you don't agree with him politically. That's what I think.

Dude. No one has called Rump a "racist" except you and your strawman.

such reasonable discussion from republicans lol

 

[Boss]

From the Mayo Clinic website:

Many experts use the criteria in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), published by the American Psychiatric Association, to diagnose mental conditions. This manual is also used by insurance companies to reimburse for treatment.

DSM-5 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder include these features:

• Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
• Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
• Exaggerating your achievements and talents
• Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
• Believing that you are superior and can only be understood by or associate with equally special people
• Requiring constant admiration
• Having a sense of entitlement
• Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations
• Taking advantage of others to get what you want
• Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
• Being envious of others and believing others envy you
• Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner

-- Note that that's not a cherrypicked list to make Rump fit ... that's the entire list. He fits every single characteristic.

That's YOUR opinion based on something you found at a website and ZERO medical expertise. You're not qualified to make this determination. I would say about half that list, you are simply making a misjudgment on Trump based on your prejudiced perspective. I could apply these same things to Obama but I'm not a doctor.

 

[Picaro]

Okay, so the election happened and the transition is over. Donald John Trump is officially our 45th President of the United States of America. Some of us supported him enthusiastically, some of us held our noses and voted for him, some of us couldn't vote for him, some of us opposed him strongly and some probably didn't care one way or another. But he's now the president and he'll be the president unless he dies or gets impeached. Love him or hate him, that's now a fact of life.

I've been patient with those who supported Clinton and had to work through the shock of losing the election because I know how this feels. It takes you a while to work through the emotions and come to terms with things. In the meantime, you might say things that aren't very reasonable. I think we've all had time to let this soak in now and it's time we get on with the business of life.

I keep seeing these comments on social media and elsewhere about Trump being a racist, homophobe, misogynist, Hitler-like, etc. Whenever you question someone about such allegations, they just emote nonsense. They never can really tell me what the man said that supports such a charge. It's always a gross misinterpretation of something he said or did or an outright lie about something he never said or did. You have to twist things out of context and make false assumptions to reach this conclusion. When you have to do that, it's not reasonable. You're not making a reasoned argument.

Look, I totally get that a lot of people don't like his policy ideas. I understand an objection to things he has proposed doing or positions he has taken. I don't agree with Trump on everything, in fact, I couldn't actually cast my vote for him in the general. He said too many things that contradict my conservative principles and he just didn't meet my criteria to earn my vote. But he's not a racist. He's not a homophobe or misogynist. I see no comparison whatsoever to Hitler. I don't even think he is a narcissist. He's very confident in himself, I'll give you that. He can be very cocky and abrasively arrogant, and sometimes that can be construed as narcissism.

So now, if you have calmed down emotionally enough to reasonably discuss Trump, I am willing to entertain your thoughts on these allegations of whatever. This isn't a flame-fest or thread for you to emotively vent your frustration with the outcome of the elections. It's not about policies or politics in general, I realize many people disagree on his policies and politics. This is specifically for the reasoned discussion of Trump's personal views on race, gender, lifestyle, etc. It's time to put your evidence on the table and let's have a reasoned evaluation based on the facts.

I was moved by all the outright and truly appalling media lying and misrepresentation to vote for Trump, as a protest, and so were many others. As we can see here, most of the Hillary supporters are to narcissistic and ignorant to grasp why their fake news and hype didn't swing the election ... i.e., half-wits with high esteem, they major products of the current modern education system. The current waves of board spamming by the cretins is of course making it even more obvious why he won and will win again.

You couldn't be more delusional if a group of engineers had been tasked to build you that way.

Yes, meet Exhibit A of what I'm talking about here.

 

[Flash]

From the Mayo Clinic website:

Many experts use the criteria in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), published by the American Psychiatric Association, to diagnose mental conditions. This manual is also used by insurance companies to reimburse for treatment.

DSM-5 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder include these features:

• Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
• Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
• Exaggerating your achievements and talents
• Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
• Believing that you are superior and can only be understood by or associate with equally special people
• Requiring constant admiration
• Having a sense of entitlement
• Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations
• Taking advantage of others to get what you want
• Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
• Being envious of others and believing others envy you
• Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner

-- Note that that's not a cherrypicked list to make Rump fit ... that's the entire list. He fits every single characteristic.

Trump is an egotistical obnoxious New Yorker but that is better than the Kenyan Catastrophe being bat shit crazy and Crooked Hillary being a pathological liar.

 

[Correll]

There ain't no "can be construed" about it, at all. He's the MODEL of classic Narcissistic Personality Disorder. No one else would be literally up all night sending whiny tweets at 3 in the morning. He's severely mentally ill. There's simply no question about that.

Where is your Doctor of Psychology degree? I think there IS a question about it and you've not presented any evidence. Lots of people are up at 3am. That's sure as hell not a sign of mental illness.

I do believe he's a misogynist though. There's way too much evidence.

Let's pony up with it!

Trump bragged that his fame and fortune gave him the power to approach women, grab them by the pussy, and get away with it.

How many times do you people need to be reminded of that?

That is not what he said.


YOu are lying or delusional.

 

[Correll]

sure? what do you wanna know specifically? I'm guessing your looking for info you can't find on google alone right?

No, I am honestly trying to get to the bottom of what is causing all this overblown emotional anguish with some in our society. I don't understand it. This man has been in the public eye for 50 years and has never shown any indication of racism as far as I know, but suddenly he's a flaming racist. Same with women... yeah, he's been married a few times but so what? Homophobia? He's the most pro-LGBT candidate to ever win an election. So what is the root of all this? Where is it coming from? Is it simply about politics and nothing else? Is it because he's pro-life? Supports the 2nd Amendment? Wants to stop illegal immigration?

I think he is being falsely and irrationally judged based on hyperbole and rhetoric... nothing more. You've chosen to attack him personally because you don't agree with him politically. That's what I think.

Dude. No one has called Rump a "racist" except you and your strawman.

such reasonable discussion from republicans lol

That was the only possible answer to someone denying that Trump has been called racist.

 

[NYcarbineer]

sure? what do you wanna know specifically? I'm guessing your looking for info you can't find on google alone right?

He's just on a standard issue strawman mission here based on the absurd premise that no one here has ever made a rational argument as to why Trump shouldn't be president.

 

[NYcarbineer]

There ain't no "can be construed" about it, at all. He's the MODEL of classic Narcissistic Personality Disorder. No one else would be literally up all night sending whiny tweets at 3 in the morning. He's severely mentally ill. There's simply no question about that.

Where is your Doctor of Psychology degree? I think there IS a question about it and you've not presented any evidence. Lots of people are up at 3am. That's sure as hell not a sign of mental illness.

I do believe he's a misogynist though. There's way too much evidence.

Let's pony up with it!

Trump bragged that his fame and fortune gave him the power to approach women, grab them by the pussy, and get away with it.

How many times do you people need to be reminded of that?

That is not what he said.


YOu are lying or delusional.

It's exactly what he said. See what I mean? This is the new Right. Everything they don't like must be a lie.

Deny Deny Deny Deny.

 

[Boss]

He would almost never pay a contractor what the contract said. He would always find fault, and then offer half, and say "take it or take me to court", knowing that most contractors couldn't afford to take him to court.

To most people, that's robbery, a rich guy robbing small contractors because he can.

What do you think of the tactic?

I think that's extremely smart business and he's well within his rights to do this. It's the primary reason some people are wealthy and others aren't. You don't really know all the details, just what you've been spoon-fed by the "fake news" media who wanted to lead you by the nose ring. People who deal with contracts do this all the time, it's business. If you contract with me to do X, Y and Z.... and you only do X and Y... I don't have an obligation to pay you. Our contract didn't agree to those terms. Sorry!

 

[Correll]

sure? what do you wanna know specifically? I'm guessing your looking for info you can't find on google alone right?

He's just on a standard issue strawman mission here based on the absurd premise that no one here has ever made a rational argument as to why Trump shouldn't be president.

Actually in his op, he stated that he completely understood opposing Trump on the issues, and did so himself, NOT voting for Trump.

Your bitterness and rage is warping our perceptions.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

From the Mayo Clinic website:

Many experts use the criteria in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), published by the American Psychiatric Association, to diagnose mental conditions. This manual is also used by insurance companies to reimburse for treatment.

DSM-5 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder include these features:

• Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
• Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
• Exaggerating your achievements and talents
• Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
• Believing that you are superior and can only be understood by or associate with equally special people
• Requiring constant admiration
• Having a sense of entitlement
• Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations
• Taking advantage of others to get what you want
• Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
• Being envious of others and believing others envy you
• Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner

Thus was Obama defined in 2009, and there is eight years of evidence supporting it.

You would have to provide some for Trump. Or make it up.​

 

[PurpleOwl]

sure? what do you wanna know specifically? I'm guessing your looking for info you can't find on google alone right?

He's just on a standard issue strawman mission here based on the absurd premise that no one here has ever made a rational argument as to why Trump shouldn't be president.

that doesn't mean you cant accept his premise, even if he says he's 100% sure hillary and obama are aliens from the moon, you dont just show him pictures of the moon to prove there's nobody up there, he obviously has access to the same photos you do. You get what I mean?

 

[Correll]

There ain't no "can be construed" about it, at all. He's the MODEL of classic Narcissistic Personality Disorder. No one else would be literally up all night sending whiny tweets at 3 in the morning. He's severely mentally ill. There's simply no question about that.

Where is your Doctor of Psychology degree? I think there IS a question about it and you've not presented any evidence. Lots of people are up at 3am. That's sure as hell not a sign of mental illness.

I do believe he's a misogynist though. There's way too much evidence.

Let's pony up with it!

Trump bragged that his fame and fortune gave him the power to approach women, grab them by the pussy, and get away with it.

How many times do you people need to be reminded of that?

That is not what he said.


YOu are lying or delusional.

It's exactly what he said. See what I mean? This is the new Right. Everything they don't like must be a lie.

Deny Deny Deny Deny.

No, it is not.

YOu let out the "They let you" part of the statement.


The radical information, that has put you libs into a hysteria, is that women like rich and famous men.

 

[basquebromance]

Trump's companies have gone into bankruptcy 4 times, and he himself once owed the banks 1 billion dollars, another point of concern.

from Trump's book The Art Of The Comeback:

"one day while walking down 5th Avenue with Marla, i pointed across the street to a man with a seeing eye dog. I asked 'do you know who that is?'
Marla said: 'He's a beggar. isn't that too bad? he looks so sad!'
I said: 'You're right but he's worth 1 billion dollars more than me. let's assume he's worth nothing, i'm worth minus 1 billion...i need to make 1 billion to be broke!'"

 

[Boss]

Trump bragged that his fame and fortune gave him the power to approach women, grab them by the pussy, and get away with it.

How many times do you people need to be reminded of that?

Well was he wrong? He wasn't really "bragging" that's an opinion on your part. He simply made an observational statement that is true.

How do I know? Because I've been there! When I worked in music publishing, I had women literally throwing their pussy at me all the time... I didn't even need to grab it!

 

[NYcarbineer]

sure? what do you wanna know specifically? I'm guessing your looking for info you can't find on google alone right?

He's just on a standard issue strawman mission here based on the absurd premise that no one here has ever made a rational argument as to why Trump shouldn't be president.

Actually in his op, he stated that he completely understood opposing Trump on the issues, and did so himself, NOT voting for Trump.

Your bitterness and rage is warping our perceptions.

sure? what do you wanna know specifically? I'm guessing your looking for info you can't find on google alone right?

He's just on a standard issue strawman mission here based on the absurd premise that no one here has ever made a rational argument as to why Trump shouldn't be president.

Actually in his op, he stated that he completely understood opposing Trump on the issues, and did so himself, NOT voting for Trump.

Your bitterness and rage is warping our perceptions.

No, my rationality is making you and the OP look stupid.

 

[deltex1]

Okay, so the election happened and the transition is over. Donald John Trump is officially our 45th President of the United States of America. Some of us supported him enthusiastically, some of us held our noses and voted for him, some of us couldn't vote for him, some of us opposed him strongly and some probably didn't care one way or another. But he's now the president and he'll be the president unless he dies or gets impeached. Love him or hate him, that's now a fact of life.

I've been patient with those who supported Clinton and had to work through the shock of losing the election because I know how this feels. It takes you a while to work through the emotions and come to terms with things. In the meantime, you might say things that aren't very reasonable. I think we've all had time to let this soak in now and it's time we get on with the business of life.

I keep seeing these comments on social media and elsewhere about Trump being a racist, homophobe, misogynist, Hitler-like, etc. Whenever you question someone about such allegations, they just emote nonsense. They never can really tell me what the man said that supports such a charge. It's always a gross misinterpretation of something he said or did or an outright lie about something he never said or did. You have to twist things out of context and make false assumptions to reach this conclusion. When you have to do that, it's not reasonable. You're not making a reasoned argument.

Look, I totally get that a lot of people don't like his policy ideas. I understand an objection to things he has proposed doing or positions he has taken. I don't agree with Trump on everything, in fact, I couldn't actually cast my vote for him in the general. He said too many things that contradict my conservative principles and he just didn't meet my criteria to earn my vote. But he's not a racist. He's not a homophobe or misogynist. I see no comparison whatsoever to Hitler. I don't even think he is a narcissist. He's very confident in himself, I'll give you that. He can be very cocky and abrasively arrogant, and sometimes that can be construed as narcissism.

So now, if you have calmed down emotionally enough to reasonably discuss Trump, I am willing to entertain your thoughts on these allegations of whatever. This isn't a flame-fest or thread for you to emotively vent your frustration with the outcome of the elections. It's not about policies or politics in general, I realize many people disagree on his policies and politics. This is specifically for the reasoned discussion of Trump's personal views on race, gender, lifestyle, etc. It's time to put your evidence on the table and let's have a reasoned evaluation based on the facts.

Turns out the MLK bust was made from dark chocolate and Trump ate it. Dove replaced it immediately. No harm, no foul. Legend restored.