Can the Trump supporters explain something to me?

[YoursTruly]

Technically creating a new government agency who's job it is to chase around the world and collect money from other countries who owe us, isn't growing government its growing revenues. Enough revenue to cover the cost of the government agency and put a profit in our pockets.

When we already have an agency that can do this?

So yeah, it is creating a bigger government.

 

[YoursTruly]

I suspect you used to spend part of your school holidays cherry picking .

Now you search desperately for any way to deflect from the fact that when you aligned yourself with Harris , you likely made one of the most obviously stupid judgements of your life .
I doubt there has been such a low grade candidate ever. Someone who became a butt of non stop jokes and was a figure of fun .
And that hurts ., And it shows .

I'm to the right of Trump. So trying to tie me in a Harris supporter, only show how retarded you are.

Maybe you RINO's don't understand that there's this thing called Fiscal conservatism. It's what made this country great, to start with. And it wasn't until the big spending, big government RINO's (Trump, Romney & Reagan types), climbed into bed with the democrats, did our national debt began to grow by leaps and bounds. Inflation took off like a rocket. Government & the swamp grew like it's been fertilized.

And more importantly, us supporters of fiscal conservatism oppose big spending, big government politicians on both sides of the isle.

 

[blackhawk]

Every Presidential candidate Democrat and Republican campaign on this and promise to do it none do.

 

[YoursTruly]

I already ******* stipulated that and conceded the point!

Jeezus, quit acting like you want to have serious conversations, when all you really want to do is piss and moan like a little girl.

I want people to understand fiscal and constitutional conservatism. And to recognize RINO's like Trump for what they are.
All they're doing is feeding the beast that's destroying our economic future.

 

[Oddball]

I want people to understand fiscal and constitutional conservatism. And to recognize RINO's like Trump for what they are.
All they're doing is feeding the beast that's destroying our economic future.

No, you want to piss and moan like a little girl.

That why you refused to directly answer both my questions, about the increased revenues in the wake of tax relief and the Ham-ass hostage situation.

Go snivel somewhere else.

 

[22lcidw]

I want people to understand fiscal and constitutional conservatism. And to recognize RINO's like Trump for what they are.
All they're doing is feeding the beast that's destroying our economic future.

If the money went dry suddenly you would see wholesale changes. Out of necessity. And most likely due to the quickness the government would be nasty. Anyway, there seems to be a cease fire in the middle east going on now and red dye number 3 is being phased out in foods. It will take time for conservatism to take effect. Perhaps many years. Local areas excepted.

 

[yidnar]

Trump campaigned on cutting spending and the size of government. That's something that fiscal conservatives like Massie and Chip Roy have been doing since they were elected the first time. It's one of the biggest reasons why Trump was elected both times.
We all know that government spending is out of control. We know the size and scope of government is also out of control.
Just in the last month, Trump has threatened to get us involved in wars that have nothing to do with us. He's promised to created more government. He's gone from publicly supporting smaller, more transparent bills to now wanting a HUGE reconciliation bill with everything in it. "One big beautiful bill," as he calls it. One that's is already partially written and spends way more than the last one. The H1B can't go without being mentioned also. Supporting H1B's over American graduates.

Without focusing on one single issue/promise, can someone explain to me where the fiscally conservative Trump went to? Because he's not even in office yet and is already changing his stance on some important issues. This was supposed to be the new and improved Trump. But it seems like it's the same one that got elected in 2016.

what the heck do you think DOGE is being established for .. Americans understand that we have to fund Medicare , social sec , the military ect .. what needs to be done is the streamlining of gov and a stoppage to the waste.. that alone will save trillions over the yrs ..

 

[YoursTruly]

what the heck do you think DOGE is being established for .. Americans understand that we have to fund Medicare , social sec , the military ect .. what needs to be done is the streamlining of gov and a stoppage to the waste.. that alone will save trillions over the yrs ..

I get the point of DOGE. I also see it as a bunch of smoke & mirrors. For the simply fact that neither Elon nor Vivek have the authority to force spending cuts. They're only there for show.
If Trump was serious about spending cuts, he'd assign people with the authority to force spending cuts. In fact, he'd have never EVER support someone like Johnson as house speaker.
Johnson is and has never been on the side of fiscal conservatism or smaller government. His voting record proves that. His support for all those CR's and ominbus bills he pushed for and voted yes on is even more proof.
His support for warrantless spying on Americans (FISA 702) is more proof.

Mike Johnsons record.

 

[YoursTruly]

If the money went dry suddenly you would see wholesale changes. Out of necessity. And most likely due to the quickness the government would be nasty. Anyway, there seems to be a cease fire in the middle east going on now and red dye number 3 is being phased out in foods. It will take time for conservatism to take effect. Perhaps many years. Local areas excepted.

The money going dry is one HUGE reason I support only fiscal conservatives. They're the only ones trying to keep the USD sound and secure. They're the only ones who are constantly voting against spending increases, debt ceiling increases, unbalanced budgets etc etc.
While the RINO's only say they oppose it. But when those huge spending bills hit the floor, they always vote yes on them.

 

[yidnar]

I get the point of DOGE. I also see it as a bunch of smoke & mirrors. For the simply fact that neither Elon nor Vivek have the authority to force spending cuts. They're only there for show.
If Trump was serious about spending cuts, he'd assign people with the authority to force spending cuts. In fact, he'd have never EVER support someone like Johnson as house speaker.
Johnson is and has never been on the side of fiscal conservatism or smaller government. His voting record proves that. His support for all those CR's and ominbus bills he pushed for and voted yes on is even more proof.
His support for warrantless spying on Americans (FISA 702) is more proof.

Mike Johnsons record.

are you actually going to bring up the abuse of fisa warrants dembot ?

 

[YoursTruly]

No, you want to piss and moan like a little girl.

That why you refused to directly answer both my questions, about the increased revenues in the wake of tax relief and the Ham-ass hostage situation.

Go snivel somewhere else.

Am I supposed to cheer for this big spending, big government BS? Am I supposed to just ignore it?

 

[YoursTruly]

are you actually going to bring up the abuse of fisa warrants dembot ?

It's part of the same big government swamp. Not to mention the money it costs us.

Ask any republican if they support our government spying on Americans without a warrant. 95% of them would say no.
Ask them if they supported Biden reauthorizing it. They say no.
Then ask them if they still support Trump who supports it so much that he reauthorized it. They'll change the subject or say you have TDS.

 

[Foxfyre]

IF....... But he won't. He's already wanting more spending. His support for this upcoming reconciliation bill is proof of that. That's one of the biggest points I'm making in the OP.

You are missing the forest for the trees. I stand by my post which I believe will come to pass based on his long track record now. All you have to support your opinion is TDS.

 

[YoursTruly]

You are missing the forest for the trees. I stand by my post which I believe will come to pass based on his long track record now. All you have to support your opinion is TDS.

The fact that Trump wants to eliminate the debt ceiling all together isn't proof enough for you?

 

[Meister]

The fact that Trump wants to eliminate the debt ceiling all together isn't proof enough for you?

The debt ceiling gets raised EVERY DAMN TIME it's hit. Why even have a debt ceiling?
I believe that Oddball has you pegged as to who you really are, just a whiner.

Use your head dude/dudette.

 

[Foxfyre]

The fact that Trump wants to eliminate the debt ceiling all together isn't proof enough for you?

He didn't say that. He just wanted it raised or eliminated for now so there wouldn't be another ugly CR fight in early March while he is still getting his agenda off the ground. Those fights are stupid and take up a lot of time that could be used for other things as Congress ALWAYS raises the debt limit anyway.

He has not abandoned his intention to slash unnecessary, ineffective, inefficient, wasteful spending but that can't happen immediately but will take some time to complete the audits and analysis to know how to do it.

 

[YoursTruly]

The debt ceiling gets raised EVERY DAMN TIME it's hit. Why even have a debt ceiling?

Why spend so much that it's constantly reaching the debt ceiling? Trump is on record of increasing or suspending the debt ceiling every time it came up.
What he's also on record of doing is vetoing only 1 spending bill in 4 years. Which is exactly why the debt ceiling kept on getting reached.

I believe that Oddball has you pegged as to who you really are, just a whiner.

Use your head dude/dudette.

You and oddball wants me to just ignore all these things that about to collapse our entire economy and turn the world reserve currency status over to BRICS.
Y'all think I should just ignore Trumps fiscal conservative promises.
Funny, the democrats wanted me to ignore Biden's spending problem too.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

until we see presidents talking about balanced budgets, we’re nowhere near conservative presidencies, just moderate ones. Trump is a moderate

 

[YoursTruly]

until we see presidents talking about balanced budgets, we’re nowhere near conservative presidencies, just moderate ones. Trump is a moderate

Very good point.

"Until we see presidents talking about balanced budgets" <<<< Key word, "Presidents."

I don't think we're going to see presidents talking about things like that, until the GOP voters start fully supporting fiscal conservatives. And stop settling for RINO's.

How many times have you heard "What other option did we have?" As if there wasn't 4 years prior to this last election, to recruit and support a fiscal conservative for this election.

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[MarcATL]

Trump's gonna do what he always does, and already has done in Office, spend like a drunken sailor.