Can the Trump supporters explain something to me?

[Waffle SS]

Trump campaigned on cutting spending and the size of government. That's something that fiscal conservatives like Massie and Chip Roy have been doing since they were elected the first time. It's one of the biggest reasons why Trump was elected both times.
We all know that government spending is out of control. We know the size and scope of government is also out of control.
Just in the last month, Trump has threatened to get us involved in wars that have nothing to do with us. He's promised to created more government. He's gone from publicly supporting smaller, more transparent bills to now wanting a HUGE reconciliation bill with everything in it. "One big beautiful bill," as he calls it. One that's is already partially written and spends way more than the last one. The H1B can't go without being mentioned also. Supporting H1B's over American graduates.

Without focusing on one single issue/promise, can someone explain to me where the fiscally conservative Trump went to? Because he's not even in office yet and is already changing his stance on some important issues. This was supposed to be the new and improved Trump. But it seems like it's the same one that got elected in 2016.

Trump is good for some things, but he's a big NY liberal when it comes to spending.

 

[Seymour Flops]

But that's exactly why Trump was elected. It's what he promised. It's what his supporters believe he's going to do. They got all giddy over DOGE.
And now the real Donald Trump is coming out, and hardly any of his supporters are holding him accountable for any of these flip flops.

Can you provide links to Trump promising that the government would be smaller?

Real links to him saying that, not someone else paraphrasing what he said without quoting it.

He promised to create the Department of Government Effeciency, not the Department of Government Shrinkage.

I wish he had run on cutting taxes and the size of government, but I'm not sure he said that.

 

[hadit]

These are superficial perceptions that don't really effect the economy.

Baloney, they have everything to do with the economy. Why does it crash? People stop spending. Why does it take off? People spend. Why do people stop spending? They're afraid they won't have as much as they need. Why do they spend? They feel like they will get more back and things will be good.

 

[Billiejeens]

The actual conservatives in Congress (Goode, Massie, Roy and a few others) have been trying. But Trump seems to want the more vocal conservatives primaried for opposing more spending and bigger government.

It was only a couple of weeks ago that Trump called for Chip Roy to be primaried because he opposed the CR that spent way too much. A CR that could've been cut by hundreds of billions more in wasteful spending.

4 fringe conservatives can't run the Government

Repeat that until you understand it.

 

[MarathonMike]

Trump campaigned on cutting spending and the size of government. That's something that fiscal conservatives like Massie and Chip Roy have been doing since they were elected the first time. It's one of the biggest reasons why Trump was elected both times.
We all know that government spending is out of control. We know the size and scope of government is also out of control.
Just in the last month, Trump has threatened to get us involved in wars that have nothing to do with us. He's promised to created more government. He's gone from publicly supporting smaller, more transparent bills to now wanting a HUGE reconciliation bill with everything in it. "One big beautiful bill," as he calls it. One that's is already partially written and spends way more than the last one. The H1B can't go without being mentioned also. Supporting H1B's over American graduates.

Without focusing on one single issue/promise, can someone explain to me where the fiscally conservative Trump went to? Because he's not even in office yet and is already changing his stance on some important issues. This was supposed to be the new and improved Trump. But it seems like it's the same one that got elected in 2016.

Trump did an excellent job in his first term despite the China Flu attack and all the deep state plants turning on him. That isn't going to happen this time, he knows how the game is played. He drove a stake in the heart of the Democrat Regime.

 

[Billiejeens]

Where's your evidence that it hasn't ever worked?

Seems to me every time federal taxes have been cut, tax receipts increase within a few years....Never mind that the gubmint always finds a way to piss away those funds.

When has it NOT happened that Laffer was proved correct?

It works every time
Without fail.

 

[IM2]

Cutting services when the population is growing is idiocy.

 

[BluesLegend]

Trump did an excellent job in his first term despite the China Flu attack and all the deep state plants turning on him. That isn't going to happen this time, he knows how the game is played. He drove a stake in the heart of the Democrat Regime.

It's amazing what Trump did in his first term, while the entire Washington swamp was attacking him like rabid dogs 24/7. Imagine what he could have accomplished if they worked with Trump.

 

[MarathonMike]

It's amazing what Trump did in his first term, while the entire Washington swamp was attacking him like rabid dogs 24/7. Imagine what he could have accomplished if they worked with Trump.

We will get to see exactly that over the next 4 years!

 

[hadit]

Cutting services when the population is growing is idiocy.

Casting a blind eye to the waste and mismanagement typical in government operations is idiocy. At the least, every program should be required to justify budget increases.

 

[OldFlame]

Very good point.

"Until we see presidents talking about balanced budgets" <<<< Key word, "Presidents."

I don't think we're going to see presidents talking about things like that, until the GOP voters start fully supporting fiscal conservatives. And stop settling for RINO's.

How many times have you heard "What other option did we have?" As if there wasn't 4 years prior to this last election, to recruit and support a fiscal conservative for this election.

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If we did as you propose the dems would be in control ad infinitum. What good is criticizing Trump before he even does anything going to accomplish? Conservatives can bitch until the cows come home and it's not going to change a damn thing. Money is what gets the say and gets the power, it's a story as long as human history, and it's not going to change anytime soon. We can all be in favor of conservative principles, but if those who have the money don't want to implement them there's not a damn thing we can do to change it.

List the things that the individual citizen can do to make a difference? Do we even get to pick who runs for office? No, we only get to pick from whoever is put out there by the powers that be, so when you figure out a solution to that problem, let us know.

 

[Luckyone]

Trump campaigned on cutting spending and the size of government. That's something that fiscal conservatives like Massie and Chip Roy have been doing since they were elected the first time. It's one of the biggest reasons why Trump was elected both times.
We all know that government spending is out of control. We know the size and scope of government is also out of control.
Just in the last month, Trump has threatened to get us involved in wars that have nothing to do with us. He's promised to created more government. He's gone from publicly supporting smaller, more transparent bills to now wanting a HUGE reconciliation bill with everything in it. "One big beautiful bill," as he calls it. One that's is already partially written and spends way more than the last one. The H1B can't go without being mentioned also. Supporting H1B's over American graduates.

Without focusing on one single issue/promise, can someone explain to me where the fiscally conservative Trump went to? Because he's not even in office yet and is already changing his stance on some important issues. This was supposed to be the new and improved Trump. But it seems like it's the same one that got elected in 2016.

there is a very simple explanation.

Trump is a pathological liar and an incompetent businessman

 

[OldFlame]

That's the same excuse they've been using for decades. And Trumps support for "one big beautiful reconciliation bill" (that's coming up & greatly overspends) proves he was lying about spending cuts.





FFS, just because they always do it, doesn't make it right. It should be something that GOP voters are so sick of that they stop supporting people like Johnson.
Just a few months ago, Johnson was hated by the GOP. But Trump anoints him with his endorsement, and suddenly Johnson ain't so bad. Like how TF does Trumps endorsement change who Johnson really was when most republicans hated him?

So what happens when the average citizen 'stops supporting' (whatever that's supposed to mean) Johnson? Tell us what that looks like?

 

[Billiejeens]

there is a very simple explanation.

Trump is a pathological liar and an incompetent businessman

That is not an accurate portrayal of the historical record.
At all.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I agree. Spending is ridiculous and the result is taxation to cover it.
Something has to give

That "something" is the US government.
Eventually, the debt will overwhelm us and everything will collapse.
-That's- the Great Reset. Plan accordingly.

 

[YoursTruly]

So what happens when the average citizen 'stops supporting' (whatever that's supposed to mean) Johnson? Tell us what that looks like?

Depends on who they choose to support afterwards. If it's fiscal conservatives, enough to actually affect change in DC, the spending, debt ceiling, wars, trade etc etc..... then good conservative changes will follow.

Conservatism is what made this country great in the first place.

 

[YoursTruly]

If we did as you propose the dems would be in control ad infinitum. What good is criticizing Trump before he even does anything going to accomplish? Conservatives can bitch until the cows come home and it's not going to change a damn thing. Money is what gets the say and gets the power, it's a story as long as human history, and it's not going to change anytime soon. We can all be in favor of conservative principles, but if those who have the money don't want to implement them there's not a damn thing we can do to change it.

List the things that the individual citizen can do to make a difference? Do we even get to pick who runs for office? No, we only get to pick from whoever is put out there by the powers that be, so when you figure out a solution to that problem, let us know.

The dems would take the majority at first. That's a given. But history shows, they don't keep the majority very long. Not anymore than the RINO's do.
Two years of conservative leadership/majority, without even reaching the debt ceiling, not borrowing anymore money, not engaging in wars that have nothing to do with us and all the other things that conservatism brings, the people would start seeing what they've been missing.
Keep in mind, most voters now days have only lived under RINO or democrat rule. Except in their own personal or business budgets, they've never gotten a taste of real conservatism.
Some are like that video I watched the other day, where a mom started making her daughter pay her own credit card bills. She was in her late teens. But still thought that when she paid for stuff on a credit card, that that was the end of it. "Why do I need to pay for that stuff twice," was her reply. I don't think most Americans are that dumb. But I really don't think they understand a lot about government spending, where it comes from. The damage all that borrowing does to the USD value. Or why $15hr is now a poverty wage.
Just like a LOT of Trump supporters don't have a clue as to why so many migrants come here. It's simply because that same $15 is like the CA gold rush, back in the day. Where most of them are coming from, $15 per DAY, is a normal wage.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Depends on who they choose to support afterwards. If it's fiscal conservatives, enough to actually affect change in DC, the spending, debt ceiling, wars, trade etc etc..... then good conservative changes will follow.
Conservatism is what made this country great in the first place.

Conservativism involves hard work, hard choices, and inevitably hurts some people's feelings.
Fewer and fewer people have any tolerance for that.

 

[YoursTruly]

Conservativism involves hard work, hard choices, and inevitably hurts some people's feelings.
Fewer and fewer people have any tolerance for that.

That's the initial effect of a spoiled brat who's finally not being spoiled again. But the end result is usually better for everyone. Including the brat.

Some of the crap both parties spend our money on, is just stupid. Like the $750,000 DEI park they funded under Biden. Or the gender studies in Pakistan that Trump funded. Special interest and lobbyist seem to be the biggest spoiled brats in DC. (along with the MIC)

 

[YoursTruly]

I have nothing against fisa warrants .. however illegal fisa warrants used for political persecution is a different matter ..

The problem I have with it, is that they could easily get a warrant. And the constitution says they have to get one.
Just get the warrant. These leave a paper trail. And if they're abusing FISA, someone can be held accountable.
Just get the warrant.