CDZ Can the KKK, the Black Panther, and Other Similar Groups Be Considered As Terrorists?

[Nutz]

I still don't see the relevance of whether or not the KKK was started by dems or cons. Does a con try to make that claim to justify hate in the tea party or does the dem point to the GOP to justify the veiled hate of the liberals. Who cares?

You either support what the KKK and like minded groups or you don't.

 

[S.J.]

No, it isn't, because the KKK was created by the Democratic Party. Not only that, but they held Senator Robert Byrd, a high ranking KKK member in high esteem right up until he died. He was their leader in the Senate and they all supported him and it wasn't that long ago (less than 5 years). The Democratic Party has a long history of racism and the Republican Party does not. You can't get around that.

Well, no the KKK wasn't started by a democratic party nor was it started by the Democrat Party. It was started by " conservatives" who might have been Democrats back then. As you know, todays "conservatives" still adhere to the Southern Strategy and are now known as Republicans. That long racist history of which you speak makes more sense when we see that "conservatives" were at the core of it in both parties.

I hate to burst your bubble but you've been spoon fed the wrong information.

Who started the ku klux klan

Hate to burst your bubble but John Torres is not a credible source.

Which of these facts do you dispute, and why?

The Democrats:

• Democrats fought to expand slavery while Republicans fought to end it.
• Democrats passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.
• Democrats supported and passed the Missouri Compromise to protect slavery.
• Democrats supported and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act to expand slavery.
• Democrats supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision.
• Democrats opposed educating blacks and murdered our teachers.
• Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws.
• Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well known for having been a "Kleagle" in the Ku Klux Klan.
• Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.
• Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Republicans.
• Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
• Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.
• Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama.
• Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922.
• Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to pass a federal law against lynching.
• Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces.
• Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
• Democrats supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy v Ferguson.
• Democrats supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.
• Democrat public safety commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.
• Democrats were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters were fighting.
• Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox "brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant.
• Democrat Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever.
• Democrat Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.
• Democrat Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act.
• Democrat President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King.
• Democrat President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI.
• Democrat President Bill Clinton's mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Democrat and a supporter of racial segregation.
• Democrat President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67.
• Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court's 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.
• Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• Southern Democrats opposed desegregation and integration.

Democrats opposed:

1. The Emancipation Proclamation
2. The 13th Amendment
3. The 14th Amendment
4. The 15th Amendment
5. The Reconstruction Act of 1867
6. The Civil Rights of 1866
7. The Enforcement Act of 1870
8. The Forced Act of 1871
9. The Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
10. The Civil Rights Act of 1875
11. the Freedmen s Bureau Information from Answers.com
12. The Civil Rights Act of 1957
13. The Civil Rights Act of 1960
14. The United State Civil Rights Commission

The Republicans:

• Republicans enacted civil rights laws in the 1950's and 1960's, over the objection of Democrats.
• Republicans founded the HBCU's (Historical Black College's and Universities) and started the NAACP to counter the racist practices of the Democrats.
• Republicans pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress.
• Republicans fought slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship and the right to vote.
• Republicans pushed through much of the groundbreaking civil rights legislation from the 1860s through the 1960s.
• Republican President Dwight Eisenhower sent troops into the South to desegregate the schools.
• Republican President Eisenhower appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Democrat President Lyndon Johnson, was the one who pushed through the civil rights laws of the 1960's.
• Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.
• Republican and black American, A. Phillip Randolph, organized the 1963 March by Dr. King on Washington.

The ones that say conservatives were not the people that formed the KKK. The same people that make up the Republican party of today.

In other words, you can't dispute any of them.

 

[S.J.]

I still don't see the relevance of whether or not the KKK was started by dems or cons. Does a con try to make that claim to justify hate in the tea party or does the dem point to the GOP to justify the veiled hate of the liberals. Who cares?

You either support what the KKK and like minded groups or you don't.

I give you documentation of a history of racism in the Democrat Party, the libs give us unfounded allegations about conservatives with no documentation whatsoever.

 

[Nutz]

I still don't see the relevance of whether or not the KKK was started by dems or cons. Does a con try to make that claim to justify hate in the tea party or does the dem point to the GOP to justify the veiled hate of the liberals. Who cares?

You either support what the KKK and like minded groups or you don't.

I give you documentation of a history of racism in the Democrat Party, the libs give us unfounded allegations about conservatives with no documentation whatsoever.

It is irrelevant.

 

[S.J.]

I still don't see the relevance of whether or not the KKK was started by dems or cons. Does a con try to make that claim to justify hate in the tea party or does the dem point to the GOP to justify the veiled hate of the liberals. Who cares?

You either support what the KKK and like minded groups or you don't.

I give you documentation of a history of racism in the Democrat Party, the libs give us unfounded allegations about conservatives with no documentation whatsoever.

It is irrelevant.

Irrelevant? You don't think we owe it to our children to teach them accurate history? How do you expect them to learn from it if they have the wrong information?

 

[Asclepias]

Well, no the KKK wasn't started by a democratic party nor was it started by the Democrat Party. It was started by " conservatives" who might have been Democrats back then. As you know, todays "conservatives" still adhere to the Southern Strategy and are now known as Republicans. That long racist history of which you speak makes more sense when we see that "conservatives" were at the core of it in both parties.

I hate to burst your bubble but you've been spoon fed the wrong information.

Who started the ku klux klan

Hate to burst your bubble but John Torres is not a credible source.

Which of these facts do you dispute, and why?

The Democrats:

• Democrats fought to expand slavery while Republicans fought to end it.
• Democrats passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.
• Democrats supported and passed the Missouri Compromise to protect slavery.
• Democrats supported and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act to expand slavery.
• Democrats supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision.
• Democrats opposed educating blacks and murdered our teachers.
• Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws.
• Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well known for having been a "Kleagle" in the Ku Klux Klan.
• Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.
• Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Republicans.
• Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
• Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.
• Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama.
• Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922.
• Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to pass a federal law against lynching.
• Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces.
• Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
• Democrats supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy v Ferguson.
• Democrats supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.
• Democrat public safety commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.
• Democrats were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters were fighting.
• Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox "brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant.
• Democrat Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever.
• Democrat Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.
• Democrat Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act.
• Democrat President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King.
• Democrat President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI.
• Democrat President Bill Clinton's mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Democrat and a supporter of racial segregation.
• Democrat President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67.
• Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court's 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.
• Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• Southern Democrats opposed desegregation and integration.

Democrats opposed:

1. The Emancipation Proclamation
2. The 13th Amendment
3. The 14th Amendment
4. The 15th Amendment
5. The Reconstruction Act of 1867
6. The Civil Rights of 1866
7. The Enforcement Act of 1870
8. The Forced Act of 1871
9. The Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
10. The Civil Rights Act of 1875
11. the Freedmen s Bureau Information from Answers.com
12. The Civil Rights Act of 1957
13. The Civil Rights Act of 1960
14. The United State Civil Rights Commission

The Republicans:

• Republicans enacted civil rights laws in the 1950's and 1960's, over the objection of Democrats.
• Republicans founded the HBCU's (Historical Black College's and Universities) and started the NAACP to counter the racist practices of the Democrats.
• Republicans pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress.
• Republicans fought slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship and the right to vote.
• Republicans pushed through much of the groundbreaking civil rights legislation from the 1860s through the 1960s.
• Republican President Dwight Eisenhower sent troops into the South to desegregate the schools.
• Republican President Eisenhower appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Democrat President Lyndon Johnson, was the one who pushed through the civil rights laws of the 1960's.
• Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.
• Republican and black American, A. Phillip Randolph, organized the 1963 March by Dr. King on Washington.

The ones that say conservatives were not the people that formed the KKK. The same people that make up the Republican party of today.

In other words, you can't dispute any of them.

What does that have to do with the fact conservatives started the KKK? To the point of the matter. Are you denying the fact that the KKK is a far right organization that advocates white supremacy and white nationalism? Do you know any KKK members that voted for Obama....on purpose not on accident because they were too uneducated to know how to vote properly?

 

[Asclepias]

I still don't see the relevance of whether or not the KKK was started by dems or cons. Does a con try to make that claim to justify hate in the tea party or does the dem point to the GOP to justify the veiled hate of the liberals. Who cares?

You either support what the KKK and like minded groups or you don't.

I give you documentation of a history of racism in the Democrat Party, the libs give us unfounded allegations about conservatives with no documentation whatsoever.

It is irrelevant.

Irrelevant? You don't think we owe it to our children to teach them accurate history? How do you expect them to learn from it if they have the wrong information?

I do. I teach my children that people like todays republicans and conservatives were the ones that legalized slavery, increased the severity of slavery, fought a war to keep slavery, instituted Jim Crow, and bombed churches with little kids in it to keep Blacks from gaining the right to vote..

 

[irosie91]

The KKK has a tradition of murder and mayhem and indeed is a terrorist organization. But their exploits were not for change. Their mission is to preserve the tradition of separatism and white supremacy by any means necessary, including murder . On the other hand the Black Panthers have not killed except in self defense ; nor has their violence amounted to anything other than self defense against police brutality as far as I can see. That is the difference between those two organizations and is quite significant in my opinion.

The KKK was formed for the purpose of committing terrorist acts, the Black Panthers were not.

Yep, they were formed for the purpose of committing terrorist acts against blacks and Republicans, and they were created by Democrats. Wanna challenge me on that?

Learn a bit of history----the KKK was formed after the civil war
and southerners were virtually all democrats because Lincoln
was a republican. Things have changed a bit------there are still KKK types in the world-------now they are mostly islamo Nazis. Even the white supremacist literature I read
in my childhood-----LONG LONG AGO----was of the islamo-
Nazi variety.

 

[irosie91]

I hate to burst your bubble but you've been spoon fed the wrong information.

Who started the ku klux klan

Hate to burst your bubble but John Torres is not a credible source.

Which of these facts do you dispute, and why?

The Democrats:

• Democrats fought to expand slavery while Republicans fought to end it.
• Democrats passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.
• Democrats supported and passed the Missouri Compromise to protect slavery.
• Democrats supported and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act to expand slavery.
• Democrats supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision.
• Democrats opposed educating blacks and murdered our teachers.
• Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws.
• Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well known for having been a "Kleagle" in the Ku Klux Klan.
• Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.
• Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Republicans.
• Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
• Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.
• Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama.
• Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922.
• Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to pass a federal law against lynching.
• Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces.
• Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
• Democrats supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy v Ferguson.
• Democrats supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.
• Democrat public safety commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.
• Democrats were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters were fighting.
• Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox "brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant.
• Democrat Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever.
• Democrat Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.
• Democrat Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act.
• Democrat President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King.
• Democrat President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI.
• Democrat President Bill Clinton's mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Democrat and a supporter of racial segregation.
• Democrat President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67.
• Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court's 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.
• Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• Southern Democrats opposed desegregation and integration.

Democrats opposed:

1. The Emancipation Proclamation
2. The 13th Amendment
3. The 14th Amendment
4. The 15th Amendment
5. The Reconstruction Act of 1867
6. The Civil Rights of 1866
7. The Enforcement Act of 1870
8. The Forced Act of 1871
9. The Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
10. The Civil Rights Act of 1875
11. the Freedmen s Bureau Information from Answers.com
12. The Civil Rights Act of 1957
13. The Civil Rights Act of 1960
14. The United State Civil Rights Commission

The Republicans:

• Republicans enacted civil rights laws in the 1950's and 1960's, over the objection of Democrats.
• Republicans founded the HBCU's (Historical Black College's and Universities) and started the NAACP to counter the racist practices of the Democrats.
• Republicans pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress.
• Republicans fought slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship and the right to vote.
• Republicans pushed through much of the groundbreaking civil rights legislation from the 1860s through the 1960s.
• Republican President Dwight Eisenhower sent troops into the South to desegregate the schools.
• Republican President Eisenhower appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Democrat President Lyndon Johnson, was the one who pushed through the civil rights laws of the 1960's.
• Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.
• Republican and black American, A. Phillip Randolph, organized the 1963 March by Dr. King on Washington.

The ones that say conservatives were not the people that formed the KKK. The same people that make up the Republican party of today.

In other words, you can't dispute any of them.

What does that have to do with the fact conservatives started the KKK? To the point of the matter. Are you denying the fact that the KKK is a far right organization that advocates white supremacy and white nationalism? Do you know any KKK members that voted for Obama....on purpose not on accident because they were too uneducated to know how to vote properly?

the discussion so far simply further demonstrates the lability of the CREEDS ----Democrat vs Republican, and the fact
that extremists on both sides are nuts. Extreme right meets
extreme left------some where in Antarctica------or on the moon.
The KKK was started by democrats

 

[pillars]

During the post reconstruction era, when the KKK was burning black churches, homes, and communities, it would indeed have qualified as a terrorist organization. Ditto the black panthers during the 1960s-70s. However, neither of these groups has been linked to serious violence in the past few decades. So, they are ideology groups, in my mind, not terrorist groups.

I think we throw the term terrorist around too loosely in the modern era.

 

[Nutz]

I still don't see the relevance of whether or not the KKK was started by dems or cons. Does a con try to make that claim to justify hate in the tea party or does the dem point to the GOP to justify the veiled hate of the liberals. Who cares?

You either support what the KKK and like minded groups or you don't.

I give you documentation of a history of racism in the Democrat Party, the libs give us unfounded allegations about conservatives with no documentation whatsoever.

It is irrelevant.

Irrelevant? You don't think we owe it to our children to teach them accurate history? How do you expect them to learn from it if they have the wrong information?

Irrelevant...it is propaganda and nonsense that has nothing to do with the political spectrum. Not one political party owns the KKK...hate is equal opportunity when it comes to politics. All your ilk are doin is trying to justify KKK membership and hate in the GOP by claiming all people that hate are liberals.

 

[S.J.]

I still don't see the relevance of whether or not the KKK was started by dems or cons. Does a con try to make that claim to justify hate in the tea party or does the dem point to the GOP to justify the veiled hate of the liberals. Who cares?

You either support what the KKK and like minded groups or you don't.

I give you documentation of a history of racism in the Democrat Party, the libs give us unfounded allegations about conservatives with no documentation whatsoever.

It is irrelevant.

Irrelevant? You don't think we owe it to our children to teach them accurate history? How do you expect them to learn from it if they have the wrong information?

I do. I teach my children that people like todays republicans and conservatives were the ones that legalized slavery, increased the severity of slavery, fought a war to keep slavery, instituted Jim Crow, and bombed churches with little kids in it to keep Blacks from gaining the right to vote..

Then you do them a disservice, the same disservice that was done to you by the Democratic Party.

 

[S.J.]

I still don't see the relevance of whether or not the KKK was started by dems or cons. Does a con try to make that claim to justify hate in the tea party or does the dem point to the GOP to justify the veiled hate of the liberals. Who cares?

You either support what the KKK and like minded groups or you don't.

I give you documentation of a history of racism in the Democrat Party, the libs give us unfounded allegations about conservatives with no documentation whatsoever.

It is irrelevant.

Irrelevant? You don't think we owe it to our children to teach them accurate history? How do you expect them to learn from it if they have the wrong information?

Irrelevant...it is propaganda and nonsense that has nothing to do with the political spectrum. Not one political party owns the KKK...hate is equal opportunity when it comes to politics. All your ilk are doin is trying to justify KKK membership and hate in the GOP by claiming all people that hate are liberals.

I didn't say all people who hate are liberals, I said the KKK was started by Democrats and that Democrats still make excuses for their recent Senate leader and Klansman Bob Byrd. And every liberal on this forum defends him as well. History should be taught accurately, the way it happened, not the way you would like it to be. And your cheap shot is noted.

 

[Nutz]

I still don't see the relevance of whether or not the KKK was started by dems or cons. Does a con try to make that claim to justify hate in the tea party or does the dem point to the GOP to justify the veiled hate of the liberals. Who cares?

You either support what the KKK and like minded groups or you don't.

I give you documentation of a history of racism in the Democrat Party, the libs give us unfounded allegations about conservatives with no documentation whatsoever.

It is irrelevant.

Irrelevant? You don't think we owe it to our children to teach them accurate history? How do you expect them to learn from it if they have the wrong information?

Irrelevant...it is propaganda and nonsense that has nothing to do with the political spectrum. Not one political party owns the KKK...hate is equal opportunity when it comes to politics. All your ilk are doin is trying to justify KKK membership and hate in the GOP by claiming all people that hate are liberals.

I didn't say all people who hate are liberals, I said the KKK was started by Democrats and that Democrats still make excuses for their recent Senate leader and Klansman Bob Byrd. And every liberal on this forum defends him as well. History should be taught accurately, the way it happened, not the way you would like it to be. And your cheap shot is noted.

Again, it is irrelevant. If you were just presenting it as historical fact (and I agree with you) then present it as historical fact. The dishonest part of the liberal - KKK connection is trying to present it as proof positive that there are no conservative hate groups or hate.

Simply put, it is a diversion to justify hate by conservatives. And yes, the liberals do the same thing. As I continue to state...it is irrelevant either way. You either support hate groups or you don't. Seems to me, certain KKK supporters try to hide their support by pointing their fingers at people with opposing views.

It isn't the argument that is flawed, it is the motivation and presentation.

 

[Asclepias]

I still don't see the relevance of whether or not the KKK was started by dems or cons. Does a con try to make that claim to justify hate in the tea party or does the dem point to the GOP to justify the veiled hate of the liberals. Who cares?

You either support what the KKK and like minded groups or you don't.

I give you documentation of a history of racism in the Democrat Party, the libs give us unfounded allegations about conservatives with no documentation whatsoever.

It is irrelevant.

Irrelevant? You don't think we owe it to our children to teach them accurate history? How do you expect them to learn from it if they have the wrong information?

I do. I teach my children that people like todays republicans and conservatives were the ones that legalized slavery, increased the severity of slavery, fought a war to keep slavery, instituted Jim Crow, and bombed churches with little kids in it to keep Blacks from gaining the right to vote..

Then you do them a disservice, the same disservice that was done to you by the Democratic Party.

Why? Because you said so?

The Dems dont do a disservice to me. I think they piss you off so they cant be all bad.

 

[JQPublic1]

Which of these facts do you dispute, and why?

The Conservatives:

• Conservatives fought to expand slavery while Liberals fought to end it.
• Conservatives passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.
• Conservatives supported and passed the Missouri Compromise to protect slavery.
• Conservatives supported and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act to expand slavery.
• Conservatives supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision.
• Conservatives opposed educating blacks and murdered our teachers.
• Conservatives fought against anti-lynching laws.
• Conservative Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well known for having been a "Kleagle" in the Ku Klux Klan.
• Conservative Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.
• Conservatives passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Liberals.
• Conservatives declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican liberal, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
• Conservative President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Conservative of Alabama.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt's choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Liberal efforts to pass a federal law against lynching.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces.
• Conservative Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
• Conservatives supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy v Ferguson.
• Conservatives supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.
• Conservative public safety commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.
• Conservatives were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters were fighting.
• Conservative Georgia Governor Lester Maddox "brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant.
• Conservative Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever.
• Conservative Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.
• Conservative Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act.
• Conservative President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King.
• Conservative President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI.
• Conservative President Bill Clinton's mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Conservative and a supporter of racial segregation.
• Conservative President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court's 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• Southern Conservatives opposed desegregation and integration.

Conservatives opposed:

1. The Emancipation Proclamation
2. The 13th Amendment
3. The 14th Amendment
4. The 15th Amendment
5. The Reconstruction Act of 1867
6. The Civil Rights of 1866
7. The Enforcement Act of 1870
8. The Forced Act of 1871
9. The Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
10. The Civil Rights Act of 1875
    
11. The Civil Rights Act of 1957
12. The Civil Rights Act of 1960
13. The United State Civil Rights Commission

The Liberals:

• Liberals enacted civil rights laws in the 1950's and 1960's, over the objection of Conservatives.
• Liberals founded the HBCU's (Historical Black College's and Universities) and started the NAACP to counter the racist practices of the Conservatives.
• Liberals pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress.
• Liberals fought slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship and the right to vote.
• Liberals pushed through much of the groundbreaking civil rights legislation from the 1860s through the 1960s.
• liberal Republican President Dwight Eisenhower sent troops into the South to desegregate the schools.
• liberal Republican President Eisenhower appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Conservative President Lyndon Johnson, was the one who pushed through the civil rights laws of the 1960's.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.
• Republican liberal and black American, A. Phillip Randolph, organized the 1963 March by Dr. King on Washington.

 

[FA_Q2]

Which of these facts do you dispute, and why?

The Conservatives:

• Conservatives fought to expand slavery while Liberals fought to end it.
• Conservatives passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.
• Conservatives supported and passed the Missouri Compromise to protect slavery.
• Conservatives supported and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act to expand slavery.
• Conservatives supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision.
• Conservatives opposed educating blacks and murdered our teachers.
• Conservatives fought against anti-lynching laws.
• Conservative Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well known for having been a "Kleagle" in the Ku Klux Klan.
• Conservative Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.
• Conservatives passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Liberals.
• Conservatives declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican liberal, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
• Conservative President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Conservative of Alabama.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt's choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Liberal efforts to pass a federal law against lynching.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces.
• Conservative Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
• Conservatives supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy v Ferguson.
• Conservatives supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.
• Conservative public safety commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.
• Conservatives were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters were fighting.
• Conservative Georgia Governor Lester Maddox "brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant.
• Conservative Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever.
• Conservative Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.
• Conservative Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act.
• Conservative President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King.
• Conservative President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI.
• Conservative President Bill Clinton's mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Conservative and a supporter of racial segregation.
• Conservative President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court's 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• Southern Conservatives opposed desegregation and integration.

Conservatives opposed:

1. The Emancipation Proclamation
2. The 13th Amendment
3. The 14th Amendment
4. The 15th Amendment
5. The Reconstruction Act of 1867
6. The Civil Rights of 1866
7. The Enforcement Act of 1870
8. The Forced Act of 1871
9. The Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
10. The Civil Rights Act of 1875
    
11. The Civil Rights Act of 1957
12. The Civil Rights Act of 1960
13. The United State Civil Rights Commission

The Liberals:

• Liberals enacted civil rights laws in the 1950's and 1960's, over the objection of Conservatives.
• Liberals founded the HBCU's (Historical Black College's and Universities) and started the NAACP to counter the racist practices of the Conservatives.
• Liberals pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress.
• Liberals fought slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship and the right to vote.
• Liberals pushed through much of the groundbreaking civil rights legislation from the 1860s through the 1960s.
• liberal Republican President Dwight Eisenhower sent troops into the South to desegregate the schools.
• liberal Republican President Eisenhower appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Conservative President Lyndon Johnson, was the one who pushed through the civil rights laws of the 1960's.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.
• Republican liberal and black American, A. Phillip Randolph, organized the 1963 March by Dr. King on Washington.

All of it.

Your definition of conservative and liberal here seem to be nothing more than conservative=bad and liberal =good.

It is utterly meaningless when you state things like 'conservative president Bill Clinton" and then try to tie Clinton to racism. You could have slammed your hands on the keyboard and come up with something more coherent.

 

[JQPublic1]

Which of these facts do you dispute, and why?

The Conservatives:

• Conservatives fought to expand slavery while Liberals fought to end it.
• Conservatives passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.
• Conservatives supported and passed the Missouri Compromise to protect slavery.
• Conservatives supported and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act to expand slavery.
• Conservatives supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision.
• Conservatives opposed educating blacks and murdered our teachers.
• Conservatives fought against anti-lynching laws.
• Conservative Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well known for having been a "Kleagle" in the Ku Klux Klan.
• Conservative Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.
• Conservatives passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Liberals.
• Conservatives declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican liberal, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
• Conservative President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Conservative of Alabama.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt's choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Liberal efforts to pass a federal law against lynching.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces.
• Conservative Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
• Conservatives supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy v Ferguson.
• Conservatives supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.
• Conservative public safety commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.
• Conservatives were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters were fighting.
• Conservative Georgia Governor Lester Maddox "brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant.
• Conservative Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever.
• Conservative Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.
• Conservative Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act.
• Conservative President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King.
• Conservative President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI.
• Conservative President Bill Clinton's mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Conservative and a supporter of racial segregation.
• Conservative President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court's 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• Southern Conservatives opposed desegregation and integration.

Conservatives opposed:

1. The Emancipation Proclamation
2. The 13th Amendment
3. The 14th Amendment
4. The 15th Amendment
5. The Reconstruction Act of 1867
6. The Civil Rights of 1866
7. The Enforcement Act of 1870
8. The Forced Act of 1871
9. The Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
10. The Civil Rights Act of 1875
    
11. The Civil Rights Act of 1957
12. The Civil Rights Act of 1960
13. The United State Civil Rights Commission

The Liberals:

• Liberals enacted civil rights laws in the 1950's and 1960's, over the objection of Conservatives.
• Liberals founded the HBCU's (Historical Black College's and Universities) and started the NAACP to counter the racist practices of the Conservatives.
• Liberals pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress.
• Liberals fought slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship and the right to vote.
• Liberals pushed through much of the groundbreaking civil rights legislation from the 1860s through the 1960s.
• liberal Republican President Dwight Eisenhower sent troops into the South to desegregate the schools.
• liberal Republican President Eisenhower appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Conservative President Lyndon Johnson, was the one who pushed through the civil rights laws of the 1960's.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.
• Republican liberal and black American, A. Phillip Randolph, organized the 1963 March by Dr. King on Washington.

All of it.

Your definition of conservative and liberal here seem to be nothing more than conservative=bad and liberal =good.

It is utterly meaningless when you state things like 'conservative president Bill Clinton" and then try to tie Clinton to racism. You could have slammed your hands on the keyboard and come up with something more coherent.

My definition of conservative and liberal is immaterial. The defining parameters used were installed in the original post by SJ in his effort to pretend that party affiliation and history has anything to do with a modern voter's core beliefs. I simply showed how one groups "conservatism" shines through regardless of partisan alignment. The same can be said for the other group's "liberalism."

Nothing I said was meaningless and I never personally tied Clinton to racism. If there was any indication of that, it was when SJ accused Clinton of being mentored by a conservative Democrat and doing conservative segregationists things.

I didn't challenge that, I simply rolled with his definition for now because, if true, Clinton was a conservative in that particular setting. People change, even politicians...and no one is entirely liberal or conservative. Your RW zealots made good use of that useless political dichotomy suggesting everything is simply either black or white; Repubican=conservative/ Democrat =Liberal! That is not the case!

 

[S.J.]

Which of these facts do you dispute, and why?

The Conservatives:

• Conservatives fought to expand slavery while Liberals fought to end it.
• Conservatives passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.
• Conservatives supported and passed the Missouri Compromise to protect slavery.
• Conservatives supported and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act to expand slavery.
• Conservatives supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision.
• Conservatives opposed educating blacks and murdered our teachers.
• Conservatives fought against anti-lynching laws.
• Conservative Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well known for having been a "Kleagle" in the Ku Klux Klan.
• Conservative Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.
• Conservatives passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Liberals.
• Conservatives declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican liberal, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
• Conservative President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Conservative of Alabama.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt's choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Liberal efforts to pass a federal law against lynching.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces.
• Conservative Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
• Conservatives supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy v Ferguson.
• Conservatives supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.
• Conservative public safety commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.
• Conservatives were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters were fighting.
• Conservative Georgia Governor Lester Maddox "brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant.
• Conservative Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever.
• Conservative Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.
• Conservative Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act.
• Conservative President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King.
• Conservative President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI.
• Conservative President Bill Clinton's mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Conservative and a supporter of racial segregation.
• Conservative President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court's 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• Southern Conservatives opposed desegregation and integration.

Conservatives opposed:

1. The Emancipation Proclamation
2. The 13th Amendment
3. The 14th Amendment
4. The 15th Amendment
5. The Reconstruction Act of 1867
6. The Civil Rights of 1866
7. The Enforcement Act of 1870
8. The Forced Act of 1871
9. The Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
10. The Civil Rights Act of 1875
    
11. The Civil Rights Act of 1957
12. The Civil Rights Act of 1960
13. The United State Civil Rights Commission

The Liberals:

• Liberals enacted civil rights laws in the 1950's and 1960's, over the objection of Conservatives.
• Liberals founded the HBCU's (Historical Black College's and Universities) and started the NAACP to counter the racist practices of the Conservatives.
• Liberals pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress.
• Liberals fought slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship and the right to vote.
• Liberals pushed through much of the groundbreaking civil rights legislation from the 1860s through the 1960s.
• liberal Republican President Dwight Eisenhower sent troops into the South to desegregate the schools.
• liberal Republican President Eisenhower appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Conservative President Lyndon Johnson, was the one who pushed through the civil rights laws of the 1960's.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.
• Republican liberal and black American, A. Phillip Randolph, organized the 1963 March by Dr. King on Washington.

Well, it's pretty obvious you can't dispute any of the facts listed or you would have. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, just stating facts. The Democratic Party has a long history of racism and they still practice it. None of you have given anything of substance, just denial of history and saying "nu uh, Republicans are the racists", even though you can't name any other than David Duke (the one the Republican Party rebuked, unlike the Democrats and Robert Byrd). You can stay on the plantation your whole life if you want, but if I was black I would be embarrassed to have loyalty to a party that tells me I'm not intelligent enough to compete with the rest of society and need government to take care of me. But I guess it's easier than working.

 

[JQPublic1]

Which of these facts do you dispute, and why?

The Conservatives:

• Conservatives fought to expand slavery while Liberals fought to end it.
• Conservatives passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.
• Conservatives supported and passed the Missouri Compromise to protect slavery.
• Conservatives supported and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act to expand slavery.
• Conservatives supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision.
• Conservatives opposed educating blacks and murdered our teachers.
• Conservatives fought against anti-lynching laws.
• Conservative Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well known for having been a "Kleagle" in the Ku Klux Klan.
• Conservative Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.
• Conservatives passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Liberals.
• Conservatives declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican liberal, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
• Conservative President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Conservative of Alabama.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt's choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Liberal efforts to pass a federal law against lynching.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces.
• Conservative Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
• Conservatives supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy v Ferguson.
• Conservatives supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.
• Conservative public safety commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.
• Conservatives were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters were fighting.
• Conservative Georgia Governor Lester Maddox "brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant.
• Conservative Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever.
• Conservative Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.
• Conservative Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act.
• Conservative President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King.
• Conservative President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI.
• Conservative President Bill Clinton's mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Conservative and a supporter of racial segregation.
• Conservative President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court's 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• Southern Conservatives opposed desegregation and integration.

Conservatives opposed:

1. The Emancipation Proclamation
2. The 13th Amendment
3. The 14th Amendment
4. The 15th Amendment
5. The Reconstruction Act of 1867
6. The Civil Rights of 1866
7. The Enforcement Act of 1870
8. The Forced Act of 1871
9. The Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
10. The Civil Rights Act of 1875
    
11. The Civil Rights Act of 1957
12. The Civil Rights Act of 1960
13. The United State Civil Rights Commission

The Liberals:

• Liberals enacted civil rights laws in the 1950's and 1960's, over the objection of Conservatives.
• Liberals founded the HBCU's (Historical Black College's and Universities) and started the NAACP to counter the racist practices of the Conservatives.
• Liberals pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress.
• Liberals fought slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship and the right to vote.
• Liberals pushed through much of the groundbreaking civil rights legislation from the 1860s through the 1960s.
• liberal Republican President Dwight Eisenhower sent troops into the South to desegregate the schools.
• liberal Republican President Eisenhower appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Conservative President Lyndon Johnson, was the one who pushed through the civil rights laws of the 1960's.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.
• Republican liberal and black American, A. Phillip Randolph, organized the 1963 March by Dr. King on Washington.

Well, it's pretty obvious you can't dispute any of the facts listed or you would have. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, just stating facts. The Democratic Party has a long history of racism and they still practice it. None of you have given anything of substance, just denial of history and saying "nu uh, Republicans are the racists", even though you can't name any other than David Duke (the one the Republican Party rebuked, unlike the Democrats and Robert Byrd). You can stay on the plantation your whole life if you want, but if I was black I would be embarrassed to have loyalty to a party that tells me I'm not intelligent enough to compete with the rest of society and need government to take care of me. But I guess it's easier than working.

I didn't dispute any of the facts listed, I enhanced them with more facts. The Democrats of whom you speak were conservatives of the time. Are you suggesting that todays conservatives have nothing in common with them, even though most wave the Republican banner now? The key point is to focus on the word "conservative." Thats the real history you fail to take into account when trying to superimpose conservative Democrats of the past over the image of liberal Democrats of today. Yes, there are still some "conservative" Democrats but most, by your own admission, are liberal nowadays. There are some liberal Republicans too. Some from your side have labeled Justice Roberts as such when he cast the deciding vote in favor of the PPACA. The labels Republican or Democrat are really meaningless since most Americans aren't really either one! They just vote for the Party that fits the mood at the time.

I find it condescending that you would suggest that Blacks are going to fall for your reverse psychology and vote in large numbers just because dumb hicks use the "plantation" analogy. Any minority that falls for that line is as dumb as you think they are. So, keep up the good work. That "Democrat Plantation theme is working quite well to keep the Black vote right where it is: with the Democrats. Anything people like you suggest will likely always elicit just the opposite response!