Can someone show me where the Constitution says I must pay for someone else's healthcare.

[M14 Shooter]

If you’re going to hang your hat on the deep significance of choosing “promote” vs “provide,” you may want to read the actual document.

“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;”

Yes...
And then you may want to read James Madison:

It has been urged and echoed, that the power "to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,'' amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these writers labor for objections, than their stooping to such a misconstruction. Had no other enumeration or definition of the powers of the Congress been found in the Constitution, than the general expressions just cited, the authors of the objection might have had some color for it; though it would have been difficult to find a reason for so awkward a form of describing an authority to legislate in all possible cases. A power to destroy the freedom of the press, the trial by jury, or even to regulate the course of descents, or the forms of conveyances, must be very singularly expressed by the terms "to raise money for the general welfare.

''But what color can the objection have, when a specification of the objects alluded to by these general terms immediately follows, and is not even separated by a longer pause than a semicolon? If the different parts of the same instrument ought to be so expounded, as to give meaning to every part which will bear it, shall one part of the same sentence be excluded altogether from a share in the meaning; and shall the more doubtful and indefinite terms be retained in their full extent, and the clear and precise expressions be denied any signification whatsoever? For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power? Nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars.

In other words:
The constitution defines the powers of Congress concerning the "Common defense" and "general welfare" in the clauses which immediately follow - else, there'd be no need to enumerate those powers.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The Marines are a part of the Navy. They woud say the Men's Department, but they are often wrong and eat crayons.

Clean Out the Treasure the Unentitled Saved

The Marines were founded 13 years before that crayon-written Constitution took away everything they ever fought for.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Yes...
And then you may want to read James Madison:

It has been urged and echoed, that the power "to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,'' amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these writers labor for objections, than their stooping to such a misconstruction. Had no other enumeration or definition of the powers of the Congress been found in the Constitution, than the general expressions just cited, the authors of the objection might have had some color for it; though it would have been difficult to find a reason for so awkward a form of describing an authority to legislate in all possible cases. A power to destroy the freedom of the press, the trial by jury, or even to regulate the course of descents, or the forms of conveyances, must be very singularly expressed by the terms "to raise money for the general welfare.

''But what color can the objection have, when a specification of the objects alluded to by these general terms immediately follows, and is not even separated by a longer pause than a semicolon? If the different parts of the same instrument ought to be so expounded, as to give meaning to every part which will bear it, shall one part of the same sentence be excluded altogether from a share in the meaning; and shall the more doubtful and indefinite terms be retained in their full extent, and the clear and precise expressions be denied any signification whatsoever? For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power? Nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars.

In other words:
The powers of Congress concerning the "Common defense" and "general welfare" are defined in the clauses which immediately follow - else, there'd be no need to enumerate those powers.

Game, Set, Match.

Congratulations!

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

There were places people went to die for menial ailments that the communists labeled a hospital. They didn’t have electricity a lot of the time and when they did it was limited.

You must have missed the part when the walk came down it was the Eastern Berliners running to the West and nobody from the West side ran to join the East. Maybe you can watch a few YouTube videos and catch up.

The Dead Right Wants the Kind of Capitalism Yeltsin Gave Russia

False alternative to Robber Barons, which is the only way Plute-lickers can debate.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Saying That Businessmen Create Jobs Is Like Saying That Vampires Create Blood

Mix in plute-licking worship of employers instead.

I’m pretty sure you don’t know how a business works.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

They do compete for people's business.

May Bankrupt Anonymously

It takes competence to compete. Ignoring the lack of business ability in our Postmodern businessmen makes this whole discussion unrealistic.

You won't hear even the most fanatical free marketeers say to a high school graduate, "I heard you got straight As and perfect SATs. What are you going to major in when you get to college? Business Administration?"

Ewe posters know perfectly well that is true, so quit posting to please your imaginary Good Shepherds.

The Netrix's Influencers never believe what they are paid to preach.

 

[Hafar1014]

We all pay for the healthcare of others. But the government should never mandate that. Hospitals shift the cost of treating people with no insurance by increasing the cost to the rest of us. Its called cost shifting. Thats why an aspirin costs $5.00. They also have to make up the loss on every Medicare patient because they pay less than the cost of treatment

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Hence the silliness of stressing the “promote”/“provide” distinction.

Serfs Up!

The whole document is silly. It should have been a temporary start-up document. Constitution-bangers are unAmerican pleasant peasants.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I’m pretty sure you don’t know how a business works.

I'm sure you've been told that by some plutocrat with his boot on your neck

 

[schmidlap]

Since Schumer is holding America hostage to get Americans to pay for healthcare for illegals and those who won't pay for it themselves, can someone show the class where the Constitution says that is a power the Feds have?

Don't bring the "general welfare" bullshit, cuz making one person pay for something for another isn't general welfare.

Anarchists would savage every humanitarian institution and destroy America if they could.

" Why should I have to pay to build and maintain all the roads I don'r use? Whaaaa!"

The lie about illegals and healthcare coverage has been thoroughly debunked.

How about looking out for American?

Thousands of Utahns could face a hard choice if ‘enhanced’ Affordable Care Act subsidies expire

How Floridians could be impacted by Medicaid cuts and no more ACA tax credits

Affordable Care Act hikes set to impact 166,000-plus Arkansans

Yes, ACA subsidies cut and premium rise could mean your health insurance bill goes up 75%

Hubert Humphrey's quote "the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; and those who are in the shadows of life, the sick, the needy and the handicapped" emphasizes the importance of compassion and care in government policies. It suggests that the treatment of vulnerable populations is a reflection of a government's moral character and commitment to social justice. The quote has been widely quoted and cited in discussions about the treatment of the weakest members of society, highlighting the need for compassionate and supportive policies that address the needs of children, the elderly, and those in need of care.

 

[initforme]

If one has to pay massive premiums for healthcare then legit claims should never be denied. Pre existing conditions should be acceptable.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

I'm sure you've been told that by some plutocrat with his boot on your neck

I’ll keep it simple for you.
An entrepreneur decides to open a corner market. He borrows money from the bank to acquire a building, stock the shelves and other necessities. He works there and hires three other people to work with him.
Were jobs created?

 

[Nostra]

The Spending Clause authorizes Congress to raise taxes and spend money “to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and the general Welfare of the United States.”

You havent provided a single cited source in your entire life and you are asking remedial questions. You are earning your Nostradumbass name in this thread.

The Constitution of the United States: A Transcription

Note: The following text is a transcription of the Constitution as it was inscribed by Jacob Shallus on parchment (the document on display in the Rotunda at the National Archives Museum). The spelling and punctuation reflect the original.

www.archives.gov

You still can't read, stupid.

I told you clown in my OP don't be lame and bring the "general welfare" bullshit. It won't work.

This thread is clearly over your head. Go find one discussing the best flavor of crayon.

 

[Nostra]

Why can't you answer? You are whining about having to pay for other people's healthcare, yet you have no idea how much other people's healthcare is even costing you?
One might get the impression you are simply talking outta your ass and regurgitating cult talking points.
I am asking in order to give you a chance to redeem your credibility.
Anymore stupid questions?

So you have no reason for the question.

Got it.

Run along.

 

[Nostra]

That is exactly what General Welfare is you tight ****...

This is what being member of a society is about, you pay for shit that betters society...

If you don't like it, **** off to Somalia.... That way you can live with no Healthcare, Roads, Security.... Taxes are low, well if you don't consider the Local Warlord's protection money...

Lies.

 

[Nostra]

Anarchists would savage every humanitarian institution and destroy America if they could.

" Why should I have to pay to build and maintain all the roads I don'r use? Whaaaa!"

The lie about illegals and healthcare coverage has been thoroughly debunked.

How about looking out for American?

Thousands of Utahns could face a hard choice if ‘enhanced’ Affordable Care Act subsidies expire

How Floridians could be impacted by Medicaid cuts and no more ACA tax credits

Affordable Care Act hikes set to impact 166,000-plus Arkansans

Yes, ACA subsidies cut and premium rise could mean your health insurance bill goes up 75%

Hubert Humphrey's quote "the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; and those who are in the shadows of life, the sick, the needy and the handicapped" emphasizes the importance of compassion and care in government policies. It suggests that the treatment of vulnerable populations is a reflection of a government's moral character and commitment to social justice. The quote has been widely quoted and cited in discussions about the treatment of the weakest members of society, highlighting the need for compassionate and supportive policies that address the needs of children, the elderly, and those in need of care.

So you have no Constitutional cite for us.

Got it.

 

[citygator]

You still can't read, stupid.

I told you clown in my OP don't be lame and bring the "general welfare" bullshit. It won't work.

This thread is clearly over your head. Go find one discussing the best flavor of crayon.

*****. Show me where in the constitution Trump can tariff the raw materials for the products my company build. I bet you cant.

This thread is so stupid I am just here to make fun of it.

 

[Nostra]

*****. Show me where in the constitution Trump can tariff the raw materials for the products my company build. I bet you cant.

This thread is so stupid I am just here to make fun of it.

Poor citygator , he is getting pissy because he is getting his ass kicked.

You should start a thread on raw materials, Sport. Should get alot of attention.

 

[Nostra]

*****. Show me where in the constitution Trump can tariff the raw materials for the products my company build. I bet you cant.

This thread is so stupid I am just here to make fun of it.

Here ya go. Congress has delegated the authority to the President.

Why are you always oblivious to reality, Simp?

Historically, Congress set tariffs and maintained tight control over this power. However, over time, particularly after the Great Depression, there was a shift towards delegating some authority to the executive branch. This began with the Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act of 1934, allowing the President to negotiate trade agreements without separate congressional approval each time.

Later acts, such as the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 and the Trade Act of 1974, further evolved this delegated authority. These allowed the President to act on national security concerns through tariffs or respond to unfair foreign trade practices. However, this delegation is not unchecked. For instance, Section 232 of the 1962 Act enables the President to impose tariffs if imports threaten national security, but this is bounded by specific findings and processes.

Who Controls U.S. Tariffs? The Constitution vs. Presidential Power – usconstitution.net

www.usconstitution.net

 

[citygator]

Poor citygator , he is getting pissy because he is getting his ass kicked.

You should start a thread on raw materials, Sport. Should get alot of attention.

In the history of this board you've never won an argument. This is another L as I showed you exactly where the power to tax and spend comes from while having fun asking you to prove where other things are noted in the constitution. Try this one:

Show me where in the constitution I have to pay for Trump's airplane from Qatar!