Can a person sincerely be a conservative American and also participate in the attacks on Trump?

[Dragonlady]

You're using the term "conservative" rather loosely. Let me define it for you:

Support for Natural Law, unalienable rights, republicanism, and Americanism
Limited government and balanced budgets
Capitalism and free markets
Classroom prayer
Respect for human life and prohibition of abortion
Abstinence education
Traditional marriage, not same-sex "marriage"
The concept of retribution for crimes, including the death penalty for heinous murders proven beyond reasonable doubt
Family values, including traditional relationships and division of labor within the household
Respect for differences between men and women, boys and girls
Laws against pornography
First Amendment rights to free speech and religious freedom
The Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms
Economic allocative efficiency (as opposed to popular equity)
Parental control of education (parental rights)
Private medical care and retirement plans
Canceling failed social support programs
Opposition to globalism, one-world government, and the War on Sovereignty
Economic nationalism over globalist "free" trade
Valuing patriotism, self-governance, and sovereignty
Border security and enforcement of strong immigration laws, opposition to mass migration and open borders
Respect for our military, both past and present
Rejection of fake science such as evolution and global warming
Minimal taxation
Federalism (Separation of powers among the National, State and Local governments)
Favoring states' rights over federal power, while accepting the Constitutional role of the federal government, and favoring subsidiarity
Opposition to big government and the Nanny State
A strong national defense
An Originalist and Textualist interpretation of the Constitution, and strongly oppose judicial activism
A dedication to the truth, and an ability to seek it
Ending entitlement programs
Voluntary charity to those in genuine need

Nothing in your list is "conservatism"

I have to say no. Not anymore.

On August 7, 2022, I would have said yes. It was possible that a person with conservative views, who only followed the mainstream media would think that the endless investigations of Trump were legitimate, and that Congress only failed to convict Trump at his two impeachment trials due to partisanship. If you only read headlines, and watch the very short television news (compared to newpapers and text media), it was possible to think, 'that Trump is a jerk who makes the GOP look bad. I'll be glad when he's gone so we can have real conservatives in charge again.'

On August 8th, the anti-Trumpers revealed themselves as the fascists they are in a way that no one can claim to still be ignorant of. If you are still joining in with the Trump bashing, you are throwing your lot in with the worst anti-Americans to ever come into power in the United States so far. They hate Trump more than they love America, at least as a democratic republic. No matter your view on this or that con vs. prog issue, the first step is to restore that democratic republic by bringing the entrenched security state under control, and make votes count fairly again.

If you think Liz Cheney is the kind of Republican you can get behind, then you are equally behind Adam Schiff and Jamie Raskin. You have been for a while, but now you cannot claim not to know it.

A legitimate conservative would NEVER have supported anything Donald Trump did. His policies were the antithesis of conservative values. Profligate spending. Increased the deficit, cut taxes without paying for the tax cut;

Diasastrous trade wars leading to high tariffs, ballooning trade deficits, and the highest rate of farm bankruptcies in history. Out of control deficits. Failure to deal with immigration issues. Failure to deal with opioid deaths.

Fracturing of NATO; allowing Iran to reach nuclear capability; tearing up strategic arms limitations treaty with Russia; Allowing North Korea to achieve ICBM capability.

And the worst covid response in the world, leading to more disease, death and economic collapse in the world.

 

[Dragonlady]

I said it was different. It doesn't appear that Trump destroyed anything.

It's illegal period, subpoena or not.

Just the fact that Trump took the documents is illegal, and the government had every right to get them back.

You were prepared to lock Hillary Clinton in prison for doing stuff that was much less dangerous to national security than having boxes of classified documents on the site of a club house open to hundreds of members and their guests.

And still none of you will address the question as to why the President needed these high level Top Secret documents in the first place. Because he wanted them isn't a valid reason.

 

[pknopp]

Just the fact that Trump took the documents is illegal, and the government had every right to get them back.

I have never argued they didn't.

I've argued the exact opposite.

You were prepared to lock Hillary Clinton in prison for doing stuff that was much less dangerous to national security than having boxes of classified documents on the site of a club house open to hundreds of members and their guests.

We have no idea if that is true or not as she destroyed the evidence.

And still none of you will address the question as to why the President needed these high level Top Secret documents in the first place. Because he wanted them isn't a valid reason.

Why should I address it? I don't support what he did.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Destroying emails is illegal. What Trump did was also.

Correct. Agreed.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The FBI did not have anything with asking for a warrant.
NARA wanted the rest of the documents back. For whatever reason would not return them even with a subpoena which ordered him to do so.


So, the DOJ, once they got the tip that there were classified and top secret documents at Mar O Lago, and after Trump lawyer's signed a letter saying that there were none, had no other choice but to seek an affidavit for a warrant which is the job of the FBI to go and have served.

Since the FBI and DOJ dont talk about ongoing investigations, what could your source for any of that be?

 

[Sixties Fan]

I have never argued they didn't.

I've argued the exact opposite.




We have no idea if that is true or not as she destroyed the evidence.



Why should I address it? I don't support what he did.

A multi-year State Department probe of emails that were sent to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's private computer server concluded there was no systemic or deliberate mishandling of classified information by department employees, according to a report submitted to Congress this month.

Investigation into Hillary Clinton emails finds no deliberate mishandling of classified information

Speculation over former Secretary of State's emails settled as President Trump continues to raise the issue to attack Democrats

www.independent.co.uk

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Hilary = Not deliberate

Trump. = Deliberate

 

[22lcidw]

Nothing in your list is "conservatism"


A legitimate conservative would NEVER have supported anything Donald Trump did. His policies were the antithesis of conservative values. Profligate spending. Increased the deficit, cut taxes without paying for the tax cut;

Diasastrous trade wars leading to high tariffs, ballooning trade deficits, and the highest rate of farm bankruptcies in history. Out of control deficits. Failure to deal with immigration issues. Failure to deal with opioid deaths.

Fracturing of NATO; allowing Iran to reach nuclear capability; tearing up strategic arms limitations treaty with Russia; Allowing North Korea to achieve ICBM capability.

And the worst covid response in the world, leading to more disease, death and economic collapse in the world.

It's fun for most economic lower-class Americans to be worth at least 10% less due to outstanding Prog policies. And with all of the pork bills passed with the printing presses on full whirl, it does not bode well for a while. The day Biden was installed to office and the EO's he signed were 20 feet high in numbers, the die was cast.

 

[pknopp]

A multi-year State Department probe of emails that were sent to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's private computer server concluded there was no systemic or deliberate mishandling of classified information by department employees, according to a report submitted to Congress this month.

Investigation into Hillary Clinton emails finds no deliberate mishandling of classified information

Speculation over former Secretary of State's emails settled as President Trump continues to raise the issue to attack Democrats

www.independent.co.uk

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Hilary = Not deliberate

Trump. = Deliberate

Destroying the hard drives was deliberate.

Democrats still can not grasp the fact that Hillary lost to the worst candidate in the history of the country and it was because of stuff like this.

She didn't lose Wisconsin and Michigan because they felt Trump was a good choice.

 

[Chillicothe]

Trump made that remark on the set of "Days of Our Lives" in 2005. So you're telling me that when she was 10 years old, she heard that?

What she heard was someone else telling her what Trump said.

I heard about the notorious 'grab 'em by the (genitals)' tape in the fall of 2016. I heard the tape. I read the Washington Post's transcription of the tape. I was not 10. My wife was not 10. Trump said it. We both heard it. No doubt about it.

Just like we heard him publicly dis that beauty contestant for not being stick-thin.

Publicly!!
Some here think DonT has class.
He does. But it's third.

And, IMHO.....poor poster JGalt is turning himself inside-out trying to shield, shelter, and cover the old fat guy with the fake tan, dyed hair, and bleached teeth.
Goget'em, Galt. Send your resume' to Mar-A-Lardo. There may be a spot for you on the upcoming campaign.

Good luck.

 

[Mashmont]

Well, we have not had a conservative president since Coolidge so you are correct.

But that does not make Trump a conservative, or even close to one.

There was nothing fiscally conservative about Trump

As I said, you can't name one.

 

[22lcidw]

Destroying the hard drives was deliberate.

Democrats still can not grasp the fact that Hillary lost to the worst candidate in the history of the country and it was because of stuff like this.

She didn't lose Wisconsin and Michigan because they felt Trump was a good choice.

They tried to mine votes out of the ghettos. Trump people were keeping an eye on that. The election was over three hours earlier than Hillary conceded.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Destroying the hard drives was deliberate.

Democrats still can not grasp the fact that Hillary lost to the worst candidate in the history of the country and it was because of stuff like this.

She didn't lose Wisconsin and Michigan because they felt Trump was a good choice.

[It is always good to have the facts. Why do I have to do the research??? I do not mind. ]

Reports show that the Hillary Clinton campaign has made payments to a data destruction company for computer and server hard drive shredding services.
Does destroying digital media, such as computer hard drives, in of itself indicate nefarious activity or a cover up? Absolutely not, it shows the Hillary Clinton campaign is being responsible with their personal and private data.
Computer hard drive destruction – more importantly the personal data it holds- is becoming as standard as shredding paper documents.
Would a responsible company throw paper documents in the trash or public dumpster? No.
Responsible companies, especially those that value customer and patient information, don’t allow computer and server hard drives leave their custody without first shredding them. Keep in mind that one hard drive can hold that same amount of information than 1.000’s of boxes of paper documents.

WHY WOULD THE HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN SHRED COMPUTER HARD DRIVES?​

Data privacy legislation such as HIPAA, PCI, FACTA require the proper disposal of patient, credit card and financial information. If the Hilary Clinton campaign didn’t shred their computer and server hard drives prior to disposing of old computer equipment they would be at a minimum irresponsible.

Hillary Clinton Campaign Shreds Server Hard Drives

Reports show that the Hillary Clinton campaign has made payments to a data destruction company for computer and server hard drive shredding services. Does

www.ewastesecurity.com

 

[pknopp]

They tried to mine votes out of the ghettos. Trump people were keeping an eye on that. The election was over three hours earlier than Hillary conceded.

At least she conceded.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

As I said, you can't name one.

You are right, I cannot. But of course that does not make Trump a conservative.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Destroying the hard drives was deliberate.

Democrats still can not grasp the fact that Hillary lost to the worst candidate in the history of the country and it was because of stuff like this.

She didn't lose Wisconsin and Michigan because they felt Trump was a good choice.

And then there was Comey only 4 days before, which is something which he should not have done. It had a huge effect on voters. But we will never know for sure what would have happened.

 

[pknopp]

And then there was Comey only 4 days before, which is something which he should not have done. It had a huge effect on voters. But we will never know for sure what would have happened.

I had decided long before then I was not going to vote for her. I imagine most felt the same. Again, it was against the worst candidate in history that she lost to.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I had decided long before then I was not going to vote for her. I imagine most felt the same. Again, it was against the worst candidate in history that she lost to.

Considering to what lengths he went to. But we will never know, regardless of how many like you made the decision before that.

 

[pknopp]

Considering to what lengths he went to. But we will never know, regardless of how many like you made the decision before that.

She lost to the worst candidate in the history of the country. It should have never been a question as to what caused her loss.

 

[Sixties Fan]

She lost to the worst candidate in the history of the country. It should have never been a question as to what caused her loss.

She did. The worst candidate, but sly as a fox. And the Fox won.

 

[BlindBoo]

Benedict Donald is not a conservative.