Calling Out Alang1216: The God of Abraham is a myth

Also Wright and Ehrman.
Wright wasn’t arguing what you think he was arguing. So, no.

Wright was arguing man’s perception of God evolved.

As for Ehrman, I’m not aware that he argued the apostolic age did not exist.

So again, not a myth. Either these events happened or it is a conspiracy theory of epic proportions.
 
The apostolic age is not a myth in the sense that the period of time existed and is foundational to Christianity. The "myth" label is sometimes applied to critical questions about the historical accuracy of biblical accounts, the nature of the early church, and the notion of a perfectly pure form of Christianity in that era.

What is historically accepted
  • The period existed. The term "Apostolic Age" refers to the first generation of Christianity, roughly from 30 AD to 100 AD, during which the original apostles of Jesus lived and spread their teachings.
  • The church began in this era. It is the period in which the early Christian church began as an offshoot of Judaism before becoming a separate religion and spreading throughout the Roman Empire.
  • New Testament writings originated here. The New Testament books were composed during this time, though critical scholars question the authorship and historical accuracy of some texts.
Critical perspectives and "myth"
The idea of the Apostolic Age as a myth arises from critical and historical analysis, not a denial of its existence. Key areas of debate include:
  • The historical accuracy of Acts of the Apostles:While the book of Acts is a primary source for this period, some scholars question its historical reliability.
  • A "purer" form of Christianity: The belief, particularly in some Restorationist movements, that the early church was a pure, unified, and perfect model for later generations is contested. Historical evidence shows that the early church was characterized by significant debates and internal diversity.
  • The meaning of "myth": Some use the word "myth" not to mean "untrue" but to describe a narrative that expresses deep religious or cultural truths. In this sense, the "mythic narrative" of the Apostolic Age carries profound meaning for believers, whether or not every detail is historically factual.
  • The cessation of supernatural events: The idea that miraculous "apostolic gifts" ceased after this period is a theological claim, not a historical fact. For many skeptics, the belief in supernatural events at all is a hurdle to accepting the biblical accounts, regardless of textual evidence.
In summary, the Apostolic Age as a historical period is not in dispute. The "myth" conversation revolves around scholarly debates over the accuracy of the accounts and the idealized nature of the early church.
 
Christians worship Jesus as God today but that was not always true.
It began immediately after his resurrection. It didn’t begin hundreds of years later. That’s a conspiracy theory belief which by the way is not a myth. It’s literally a conspiracy theory.

What is historically accepted
  • The period existed. The term "Apostolic Age" refers to the first generation of Christianity, roughly from 30 AD to 100 AD, during which the original apostles of Jesus lived and spread their teachings.
  • The church began in this era. It is the period in which the early Christian church began as an offshoot of Judaism before becoming a separate religion and spreading throughout the Roman Empire.
  • New Testament writings originated here.The New Testament books were composed during this time, though critical scholars question the authorship and historical accuracy of some texts.
 
Wright wasn’t arguing what you think he was arguing. So, no.

Wright was arguing man’s perception of God evolved.
Wrong. Wright argues Jesus was not God in the earlier NT books but man’s perception of Jesus/God evolved.

As for Ehrman, I’m not aware that he argued the apostolic age did not exist.

So again, not a myth. Either these events happened or it is a conspiracy theory of epic proportions.
Ehrman made no such claim but, like Wright, argues Jesus was not God in the earlier NT books but man’s perception of Jesus/God evolved.
 
Wrong. Wright argues Jesus was not God in the earlier NT books but man’s perception of Jesus/God evolved.
And is not supported by the actions and behaviors of the very first Christians.
 
It began immediately after his resurrection. It didn’t begin hundreds of years later. That’s a conspiracy theory belief which by the way is not a myth. It’s literally a conspiracy theory.

What is historically accepted
  • The period existed. The term "Apostolic Age" refers to the first generation of Christianity, roughly from 30 AD to 100 AD, during which the original apostles of Jesus lived and spread their teachings.
  • The church began in this era. It is the period in which the early Christian church began as an offshoot of Judaism before becoming a separate religion and spreading throughout the Roman Empire.
  • New Testament writings originated here.The New Testament books were composed during this time, though critical scholars question the authorship and historical accuracy of some texts.
You make a claim, "It began immediately after his resurrection" and then offer irrelevant stuff
 
Ehrman made no such claim but, like Wright, argues Jesus was not God in the earlier NT books but man’s perception of Jesus/God evolved
Also not supported by the actions and behaviors of the very first Christians.
 
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You make a claim, "It began immediately after his resurrection" and then offer irrelevant stuff
Incorrect.

What is historically accepted
  • The period existed. The term "Apostolic Age" refers to the first generation of Christianity, roughly from 30 AD to 100 AD, during which the original apostles of Jesus lived and spread their teachings.
  • The church began in this era. It is the period in which the early Christian church began as an offshoot of Judaism before becoming a separate religion and spreading throughout the Roman Empire.
 
Incorrect.

What is historically accepted
  • The period existed. The term "Apostolic Age" refers to the first generation of Christianity, roughly from 30 AD to 100 AD, during which the original apostles of Jesus lived and spread their teachings.
  • The church began in this era. It is the period in which the early Christian church began as an offshoot of Judaism before becoming a separate religion and spreading throughout the Roman Empire.
Your historically accepted stuff does not say anything about the various theologies of the apostles.
 
I offer evidence, you offer unsupported assertions.
Incorrect. You offer conspiracy theories which are decidedly not proof of myths but merely conspiracy theories without any proof of a conspiracy.

 
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Your historically accepted stuff does not say anything about the various theologies of the apostles.
 
Incorrect. You offer conspiracy theories which are decidedly not myths.

Your only rebuttal is another unsupported assertion. I was expecting better.
 
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Your only rebuttal is another unsupported assertion. I was expecting better.
Said the conspiracy theorist trying to pass off his conspiracy theory as a myth because he has absolutely no evidence of a conspiracy.
 
Your only rebuttal is another unsupported assertion. I was expecting better.
By Joseph Shulam-

INTRODUCTION:​



I would have difficulty believing in the truthfulness of the story of Yeshua (Jesus) if He were not mentioned anywhere in Jewish literature. What if a fantastic story like the story of Yeshua (from his birth to his resurrection from the dead to his ascension to heaven) were not mentioned anywhere else except in the texts of what is commonly called ā€œThe New Testamentā€? A person like Yeshua was a stone of contention, an Archimedes point, a pivotal point of human history, and a controversial personality. He was King of the Jews, as it was written on a plaque on top of the cross of His crucifixion.

We are fortunate that we have a vast store of literature from the Pharisees of Yeshua’s day. They collected and preserved the discussions and controversies of the time. Most Christians are not educated in the literature of the Pharisees. This literature is divided into three different forms. The first is the Mishnah, a collection of Rabbinical sources and quotations from Rabbis who lived in the 2nd century BC until the middle of the 2nd century CE. The second is the Jerusalem Talmud, a collection of similar discussions from the 5th century CE. The third is the Babylonian Talmud, which was finished in the 6th century CE and dealt with material similar to that of the Jerusalem Talmud.

We are fortunate that Josephus Flavius, the Jewish historian of the first century, mentions Yeshua in his books. We are also fortunate that we have the Midrashic literature, a collection of various homiletic material and quasi-commentaries of the Torah. These commentaries include those of Rabbis from before the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, through to medieval Rabbinical commentators. Understand that most of the material that was written in this Rabbinical literature was written against Yeshua and His disciples. However, what was written against is also a witness to what was real and important for the Jews in the diaspora, who were opponents of Yeshua and his disciples. Often, these Rabbis referred to Yeshua in order to oppose Him, but by opposing Him, they affirmed Him. What was intended to negate Yeshua turns out to affirm the positive. The Jewish rabbinical opponents of Jesus and his disciples did not write about Him for several centuries after His death, burial, and resurrection. But, when they began to discuss Yeshua, Rabbis attributed stories to Him that affirm the historical Yeshua. The story's origins date back to the 2nd century B.C. The records of this material written against Yeshua by the Pharisaic Rabbis are preserved in the rabbinical materials in the Mishnah, Midrashic Literature, and in both the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud.

In this article, I will attempt to capture the most interesting stories about Jesus in Rabbinical literature and try to make lemonade from the rotten lemons grown in rabbinical gardens in the dark valleys of religious prejudice, hate, and ignorance. What was meant for evil will turn out to be for good!

 
 
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