Calling Out Alang1216: The God of Abraham is a myth

[alang1216]

All the time. It’s shocking that you don’t believe you have ever done it.

I've never lived in a place or time without laws, have you? If not, how do you know this is true?

 

[alang1216]

Non-Christian historians recorded Jesus was worshipped by the first Christians.

He was worshipped by some but not by all. Why was that? Joseph Smith, the Buddha, and Mohammad are similarly revered by their followers.

The Babylonian Talmud recorded Jesus was put to death for sorcery and blaspheme.

Stories recorded 600 years after the event by people who never met Jesus. That and the fact they were almost certainly wrong, Jesus was not put to death for sorcery and blaspheme.

24,000 written manuscripts detailed the miracles performed by Christ and his resurrection.

Copies from a few original writings, at least one was lost, some forged, and some edited and altered.

Very thin evidence you have to offer and NO rebuttal to my points. Telling.

 

[alang1216]

I have plenty of examples in my life. Why don’t you have any examples in your life?

Houston must have some laws even if it is in TX.

 

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Is that an absolute or only your (and my) opinion? Some very religious people kept slaves. Did the Bible condemn it?

Seriously? That’s your standard?

If you think the accounts in the Bible were condoning it rather than raising the standard of treatment for indentured servants than that’s as wrong as you believing they were discussing forced slavery.

You really do have an ax to grind with Jews.

 

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Slavery existed for millennia. When was it 'discovered' and why did it take so long?

Is that a serious question? Or is that you couldn’t think of anything else to deny truth is discovered?

 

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He was worshipped by some but not by all. Why was that? Joseph Smith, the Buddha, and Mohammad are similarly revered by their followers.

So your standard is that unless everyone worshipped him as God that Jesus couldn’t have performed any miracles and rise from the dead?

No historians recorded they were worshiped as God. Jesus is worshipped as God and the reason is because of the miracles he performed and because he rose from the dead. You know, God stuff.

There are no accounts which challenge the accounts of the NT.

 

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Stories recorded 600 years after the event by people who never met Jesus. That and the fact they were almost certainly wrong, Jesus was not put to death for sorcery and blaspheme.

I suggest you check your dates. Jesus was worshipped as God after he rose from the dead.

The Babylonian Talmud and the 24,000 written manuscripts say otherwise.

 

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Copies from a few original writings, at least one was lost, some forged, and some edited and altered.

Very thin evidence you have to offer and NO rebuttal to my points. Telling.

And yet they explain why Jesus was worshipped as God after he rose from the dead.

 

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Houston must have some laws even if it is in TX.

If you can’t use your own experiences as your proof, I can’t help you. Because I’m pretty sure most people are guided by their conscience and not the letter of the law.

 

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I've never lived in a place or time without laws, have you? If not, how do you know this is true?

Because I have a conscience.

 

[alang1216]

Seriously? That’s your standard?

If you think the accounts in the Bible were condoning it rather than raising the standard of treatment for indentured servants than that’s as wrong as you believing they were discussing forced slavery.

You really do have an ax to grind with Jews.

God told the Israelites not to eat pork but never said don't own slaves. Some of my closest friends and relatives are Jews, so you're wrong once again.

 

[alang1216]

Is that a serious question? Or is that you couldn’t think of anything else to deny truth is discovered?

This is akin to you saying the universe was made for intelligence. It is what you wish, not what is real.

 

[alang1216]

I suggest you check your dates. Jesus was worshipped as God after he rose from the dead.

Untrue, he acquired his divinity much later:

How Jesus Became God: The Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher from Galilee​

by Bart D. Ehrman (Author)

New York Times bestselling author and Bible expert Bart Ehrman reveals how Jesus’s divinity became dogma in the first few centuries of the early church.

The claim at the heart of the Christian faith is that Jesus of Nazareth was, and is, God. But this is not what the original disciples believed during Jesus’s lifetime—and it is not what Jesus claimed about himself. How Jesus Became God tells the story of an idea that shaped Christianity, and of the evolution of a belief that looked very different in the fourth century than it did in the first.

A master explainer of Christian history, texts, and traditions, Ehrman reveals how an apocalyptic prophet from the backwaters of rural Galilee crucified for crimes against the state came to be thought of as equal with the one God Almighty, Creator of all things. But how did he move from being a Jewish prophet to being God? In a book that took eight years to research and write, Ehrman sketches Jesus’s transformation from a human prophet to the Son of God exalted to divine status at his resurrection. Only when some of Jesus’s followers had visions of him after his death—alive again—did anyone come to think that he, the prophet from Galilee, had become God. And what they meant by that was not at all what people mean today.

The Babylonian Talmud and the 24,000 written manuscripts say otherwise.

If wishes were horses... What were their sources?

 

[alang1216]

And yet they explain why Jesus was worshipped as God after he rose from the dead.

The resurrection is myth as evidenced by the multiple conflicting stories in the NT. It was so weak, later scribes added on to it to flesh it out.

Still awaiting any rebuttal to my points.

 

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God told the Israelites not to eat pork but never said don't own slaves. Some of my closest friends and relatives are Jews, so you're wrong once again.

Only an atheist would complain about raising the standard of treatment of indentured servants. They didn’t own slaves.

 

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This is akin to you saying the universe was made for intelligence. It is what you wish, not what is real.

Everyone but you understands that truth is discovered. It’s idiotic to believe any other way. Or were you born knowing everything that was true?

 

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Untrue, he acquired his divinity much later:

How Jesus Became God: The Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher from Galilee​

by Bart D. Ehrman (Author)

New York Times bestselling author and Bible expert Bart Ehrman reveals how Jesus’s divinity became dogma in the first few centuries of the early church.

The claim at the heart of the Christian faith is that Jesus of Nazareth was, and is, God. But this is not what the original disciples believed during Jesus’s lifetime—and it is not what Jesus claimed about himself. How Jesus Became God tells the story of an idea that shaped Christianity, and of the evolution of a belief that looked very different in the fourth century than it did in the first.

A master explainer of Christian history, texts, and traditions, Ehrman reveals how an apocalyptic prophet from the backwaters of rural Galilee crucified for crimes against the state came to be thought of as equal with the one God Almighty, Creator of all things. But how did he move from being a Jewish prophet to being God? In a book that took eight years to research and write, Ehrman sketches Jesus’s transformation from a human prophet to the Son of God exalted to divine status at his resurrection. Only when some of Jesus’s followers had visions of him after his death—alive again—did anyone come to think that he, the prophet from Galilee, had become God. And what they meant by that was not at all what people mean today.


If wishes were horses... What were their sources?

And yet the first Christians were the apostles of Jesus.

 

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The resurrection is myth as evidenced by the multiple conflicting stories in the NT. It was so weak, later scribes added on to it to flesh it out.

Still awaiting any rebuttal to my points.

The first Christians were witnesses. So not a myth.

 

[alang1216]

Only an atheist would complain about raising the standard of treatment of indentured servants. They didn’t own slaves.

Israelites could keep foreigners as slaves.

 

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Israelites could keep foreigners as slaves.

So? What do you think that proves?