California Trying To Keep Valero Refinery Open

[Vrenn]

Fossil fuel is much more efficient and would be the best and cheapest fuel for electrical generation overall.

Well, we do use CNA gas for our busses because Gasoline and Diesel do so much damage over a long period. I think CNA might as well but it's a good tradeoff. But if you have an excess of Electric Power, the EV type of bus is a much better alternative as long as you deal with a decent manufacturer. Using excess power to power your vehicles is always the best and the cheapest. So you intention is wrong for places like where I live.

 

[Vrenn]

Environmentalists will never let your 'cove' energy become reality.

When you have no other choice, it happens regardless. And when Norway installed their own, you are even aware it's there and it has zero impact on the environment.

Now, are you talking for the Environmentalists? I hardly think so because of your negative post.

 

[defcon4]

Wow, standard Orange Cheeto defense. And only a MAGAt domestic terrorist and traitor would try this. Please keep building those prisons. You need a place to sleep in the near future.

What are you alking about? You must be deranged because I didn't mount any defense about anything. I stated that you got busted lying. That's a fact. Then, you tried to weasel out of admitting it and started to mumble about the west part of Colorado is not Colorado. And now you are talking about building some prisons. WTF dude? Are you drunk?

 

[Leo123]

When you have no other choice, it happens regardless. And when Norway installed their own, you are even aware it's there and it has zero impact on the environment.

Now, are you talking for the Environmentalists? I hardly think so because of your negative post.

Wave generation is ridiculous. Does it work? Yeah but it requires a lot of infrastructure.

Wave energy presents new challenges

Hydraulic cylinders meet strength and maintenance requirements of wave-energy converters.

www.powermotiontech.com

A fossil fuel or coal-fired engine turning a generator would not have to be in the ocean, we already know the technology and with recent advances there is no more pollution.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Look at the location for those coal plants. And I believe that there are a couple of oil fired ones as well. We should know, while we won't use them, we do sell them to those that do. Now, stop with the MAGAt stupidity.

THERE IS PLENTY OF INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET THAT SAYS COLORADO GETS OVER 1/2 IT'S ENERGY FROM COAL AND NATURAL GAS.

YOU ARE IN DENIAL AND A MORON.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The sad part for CA is that there are thousands of coves and each cove can produce wave electric energy where the only cost (after they are installed) is preventive maintenance. No matter how bad the MAGAt stupids try, this isn't a Red or a Blue problem. It's a human problem that can be easily fixed. And we export to LA as well as Vegas and a lot of towns in between.

Why haven't they been installed? Simple! You close the entire area to navigation by anything that floats.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I live in the western half of Colorado and the only gas we used would be natural gas which is the cleanest fossil fuel variety. We ship coal to the eastern side who are as stupid as you are and think that they can't become self reliant. The last Coal Fired Western Slope Electric has finally shut down.

You lied, or you were stupid.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We also have a couple or three Natural Gas Electric plants.

You emit CO2, planet killer!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The sad part for CA is that there are thousands of coves and each cove can produce wave electric energy where the only cost (after they are installed) is preventive maintenance.

How much does it cost to collect all the fish and other sea life murdered by the wave powered generators?

 

[Oddball]

Hey, it's works well for Norway. There are still tons of ways to produce energy without fossil fuels being the major one. But you domestic terrorists, traitors and convicts prevent from happening.

Norway's entire lavish welfare state is kept going by their massive sales of North Sea crude oil, dude.

 

[Leo123]

How much does it cost to collect all the fish and other sea life murdered by the wave powered generators?

What's funny is in a lot of those 'coves' they're applauding oysters for keeping the waves down!!

Oh Snap!

As Storms Get Bigger, Oyster Reefs Can Help Protect Shorelines

Municipalities and military bases are using the bivalve to defend against flooding and damage from climate change-driven storms

www.smithsonianmag.com

 

[Vrenn]

What are you alking about? You must be deranged because I didn't mount any defense about anything. I stated that you got busted lying. That's a fact. Then, you tried to weasel out of admitting it and started to mumble about the west part of Colorado is not Colorado. And now you are talking about building some prisons. WTF dude? Are you drunk?

One very small but important point. I didn't lie. You just twisted what I said into a lie yourself. That means that you are not only stupid but a liar on top of that just like every other MAGAt.

Another very small but important part. I never said that Western Colorado was not part of Colorado. And you trying that tact really stupid. I can say that Western Colorado is not part of Eastern Colorado. It's like two different countries that just speak the same language. The last I checked Colorado was made up of both the Eastern and the Western Slopes of Colorado. Now, you animal, get off the furniture while you build your own dog house.

 

[Vrenn]

Why haven't they been installed? Simple! You close the entire area to navigation by anything that floats.

You just pick the inlets that server no function other than the in and out of water. And then you leave a very large and well marked gateway. Seaman Terri, there is always a way and Norway along with others have done it successfully. Are you trying to say that they are smarter than we are? With your way of thinking, they just might be.

 

[Vrenn]

You lied, or you were stupid.

Well, it's pretty well clear that you are just too damned stupid like your Fearless Leader says you are.

 

[Vrenn]

How much does it cost to collect all the fish and other sea life murdered by the wave powered generators?

Funny how Norway is successful at it and still has a viable fishing market. Are you saying they are smarter than you are? On that I agree. Your own Peerless Feeder already said you were stupid.

 

[Vrenn]

Norway's entire lavish welfare state is kept going by their massive sales of North Sea crude oil, dude.

So what. The use some of it for themselves and sell the rest to stupid countries that can't figure out what Norway is doing. One would think that Britain would contract with Norway to do the same thing with their northern areas with low population.,

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Very similarly to SOLYNDRA building solar panels. They got $ 535 million federal money and then they closed shop, took of and nobody knows where the money went.

A good bit went to Barry’s new mansion on the coast.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well, it's pretty well clear that you are just too damned stupid like your Fearless Leader says you are.

Tell me again about 0% in Colorado.
Are you a victim of their legal weed?
DURR

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Funny how Norway is successful at it and still has a viable fishing market. Are you saying they are smarter than you are? On that I agree. Your own Peerless Feeder already said you were stupid.

Cool story.

How much wildlife is killed by Norwegian wave turbines? Link?

Are you saying they are smarter than you are?

I'm saying I'm smarter than you are.

I know, low bar.

 

[Vrenn]

Tell me again about 0% in Colorado.
Are you a victim of their legal weed?
DURR

I didn't tell you that in the first place. How about giving us a cite to prove that you aren't nearly as stupid and MAGAty as you appear to be.