California not suffering, drought?

[elektra]

If you think grape harvests trump data like

you're whacked.

What is whack is you just described a coloring book drawing as "data".

Grow up!

 

[RollingThunder]

It takes a special kind of insanity to start a thread proclaiming that California isn't really in a drought when every newspaper in the state is filled with stories about the severity of the drought and the state is under mandatory water use restrictions. 'Eekthetroll' posted that demented OP based, apparently, on some deranged paranoia over a old 1974 movie about political and economic shenanigans over water in LA in 1938.

It takes an even more special, politically motivated kind of insanity to post meaningless drivel in support of that crackpot OP, like ol' JustCrazy did.

Two above average years for grape production with links proving so is, "meaningless drivel".

Yup. In relation to the issue you raised regarding the reality of the severe drought currently happening in California, that is indeed "meaningless drivel".

Another blunder by rollingblunder, this thread is about california not suffering.
Read the title, its not, "California not suffering drought"
The title is, "California not suffering, drought?".
The difference us clear unless you are blinded with ridiculousness and rage over your opinion and politics.

More retarded drivel. You claimed many times now that the state is not in a drought. You are a delusional crackpot, as the evidence from official sources makes clear.

Again, post the suffering, while we enjoy the fat above average vintage year for non-essential wine.

Moron!

As Agriculture Swoons in Drought, West Coast Firms Avoid Worst Effects
The Wall Street Journal
Sept. 8, 2014
(excerpts)
California's agriculture industry hasn't been spared, despite conservation efforts. The sector consumes roughly 80% of the state's water, to nourish the states roughly 400 crops. Scorched and shriveled crops and lost jobs are expected to cost California's agriculture industry 17,100 jobs and $2.2 billion this year alone. That would be more than double the $900 million lost in 2009, according to UC Davis estimates.

Almost 60% of the state is experiencing the worst, so-called exceptional drought, conditions, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor, a collaboration of the federal government and the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. California asked residents to cut water use by 20% and this summer imposed its first-ever statewide water restrictions, levying fines of up to $500 day for violations.

California Drought Could Claim Quarter of Rice Crop
NBC News
Sept 10, 2014
(excerpts)
California's ongoing drought is claiming another victim: the state's rice crop. Nearly 25 percent of California's $5 billion rice crop will be lost this year due to lack of water, say experts. And while analysts say the loss is not a crisis just yet, at least one rice producer is ready to call it a day. "If we keep going through this drought, it may make us quit and sell the ranch," said Sherry Polit, who grows organic rice with her family on 1,500 acres in the Northern California town of Maxwell. "We had droughts before, but this is like the third bad one in a row," explained Polit, who also grows organic olives.

With surface water sources drying up from lack of rain, the problem for rice producers is having enough water available to fill rice paddies, said Jim Morris, communications manager for the California Rice Commission. It's not a case of the crop being damaged, he said, so much as it's been reduced as farmers cut back on planting. To try to make money, some California rice producers have turned to selling their water sources, rather than planting a crop this year, said Bruce Linquist, an agricultural researcher at the University of California, Davis. While some farmers could afford to leave their land unplanted, others have opted to just sell water rights.

California Report Warns of Worsening Economic Impacts of Drought
Parts of state to experience "pain and poverty," while officials roll out solutions.
National Geographic
JULY 15, 2014
(excerpts)
A new scientific and economic report commissioned by California's state government warns that the ongoing drought crisis will cost billions in lost farm revenue and thousands of jobs, although wider impacts on the national food system are unlikely. California's drought is now in its third year and is expected to worsen, thanks to record high temperatures and a low snowpack in the state's mountains. Nearly 80 percent of the state is now in what scientists call "extreme or exceptional" drought, which has caused the state water control board to call for mandatory water restrictions in urban areas and for some holders of agricultural water rights. (See "Storms Get Headlines, but Drought Is a Sneaky, Devastating Game-Changer.")

In the midst of this drought crisis, California's Department of Food and Agriculture commissioned a report from scientists and economists at the University of California, Davis. In a press event announcing the report Tuesday, co-author Richard Howitt warned that the state is "running down our bank account [of stored water]." Howitt, a UC Davis professor emeritus of agricultural and natural resource economics, said California's economy is expected to lose a total of $2.2 billion this year as a result of the drought. "What really hurts is we're losing 17,100 jobs," said Howitt. Most of those jobs are seasonal and part-time work in the Central and San Joaquin Valleys. "They are mostly from the sector of society that is least able to roll with the punches," Howitt added. "There are pockets of extreme deprivation where they are out of water and out of jobs... There are going to be more pockets of pain and poverty."

According to the UC Davis report, the state's agricultural sector faces a net water shortage of 1.6 million acre-feet this year, which will cause losses of $810 million in crop revenue and $203 million in lost dairy and other livestock value, plus additional groundwater pumping costs of $454 million. These direct costs to agriculture total $1.5 billion. When the job losses are factored in, the total economic impact to the state economy is estimated to be $2.2 billion. Despite the California drought, Howitt said most consumers around the country aren't likely to notice any significant impacts on food prices or availability this year. Many of California's important vegetable crops will continue to be watered by groundwater, although he notes that there is growing concern about the long-term viability of that arrangement. Citrus crops are likely to be affected but, Howitt added, "don't worry, your Napa wines will be just fine, as will Monterey wines."


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[elektra]

The only thing you posted rollingblunder is there "could", be a loss of some rice, I guess we have to wait until the rice is harvested to know.

Until then the grape harvest is above average.

How about peaches, they got harvested, what was the yield?

I bet it was real good, I bought some nice fat california peaches for under two bucks a pound.

 

[RollingThunder]

Again, post the suffering, while we enjoy the fat above average vintage year for non-essential wine.

Moron!

As Agriculture Swoons in Drought, West Coast Firms Avoid Worst Effects
The Wall Street Journal
Sept. 8, 2014
(excerpts)
California's agriculture industry hasn't been spared, despite conservation efforts. The sector consumes roughly 80% of the state's water, to nourish the states roughly 400 crops. Scorched and shriveled crops and lost jobs are expected to cost California's agriculture industry 17,100 jobs and $2.2 billion this year alone. That would be more than double the $900 million lost in 2009, according to UC Davis estimates.

Almost 60% of the state is experiencing the worst, so-called exceptional drought, conditions, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor, a collaboration of the federal government and the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. California asked residents to cut water use by 20% and this summer imposed its first-ever statewide water restrictions, levying fines of up to $500 day for violations.

California Drought Could Claim Quarter of Rice Crop
NBC News
Sept 10, 2014
(excerpts)
California's ongoing drought is claiming another victim: the state's rice crop. Nearly 25 percent of California's $5 billion rice crop will be lost this year due to lack of water, say experts. And while analysts say the loss is not a crisis just yet, at least one rice producer is ready to call it a day. "If we keep going through this drought, it may make us quit and sell the ranch," said Sherry Polit, who grows organic rice with her family on 1,500 acres in the Northern California town of Maxwell. "We had droughts before, but this is like the third bad one in a row," explained Polit, who also grows organic olives.

With surface water sources drying up from lack of rain, the problem for rice producers is having enough water available to fill rice paddies, said Jim Morris, communications manager for the California Rice Commission. It's not a case of the crop being damaged, he said, so much as it's been reduced as farmers cut back on planting. To try to make money, some California rice producers have turned to selling their water sources, rather than planting a crop this year, said Bruce Linquist, an agricultural researcher at the University of California, Davis. While some farmers could afford to leave their land unplanted, others have opted to just sell water rights.

California Report Warns of Worsening Economic Impacts of Drought
Parts of state to experience "pain and poverty," while officials roll out solutions.
National Geographic
JULY 15, 2014
(excerpts)
A new scientific and economic report commissioned by California's state government warns that the ongoing drought crisis will cost billions in lost farm revenue and thousands of jobs, although wider impacts on the national food system are unlikely. California's drought is now in its third year and is expected to worsen, thanks to record high temperatures and a low snowpack in the state's mountains. Nearly 80 percent of the state is now in what scientists call "extreme or exceptional" drought, which has caused the state water control board to call for mandatory water restrictions in urban areas and for some holders of agricultural water rights. (See "Storms Get Headlines, but Drought Is a Sneaky, Devastating Game-Changer.")

In the midst of this drought crisis, California's Department of Food and Agriculture commissioned a report from scientists and economists at the University of California, Davis. In a press event announcing the report Tuesday, co-author Richard Howitt warned that the state is "running down our bank account [of stored water]." Howitt, a UC Davis professor emeritus of agricultural and natural resource economics, said California's economy is expected to lose a total of $2.2 billion this year as a result of the drought. "What really hurts is we're losing 17,100 jobs," said Howitt. Most of those jobs are seasonal and part-time work in the Central and San Joaquin Valleys. "They are mostly from the sector of society that is least able to roll with the punches," Howitt added. "There are pockets of extreme deprivation where they are out of water and out of jobs... There are going to be more pockets of pain and poverty."

According to the UC Davis report, the state's agricultural sector faces a net water shortage of 1.6 million acre-feet this year, which will cause losses of $810 million in crop revenue and $203 million in lost dairy and other livestock value, plus additional groundwater pumping costs of $454 million. These direct costs to agriculture total $1.5 billion. When the job losses are factored in, the total economic impact to the state economy is estimated to be $2.2 billion. Despite the California drought, Howitt said most consumers around the country aren't likely to notice any significant impacts on food prices or availability this year. Many of California's important vegetable crops will continue to be watered by groundwater, although he notes that there is growing concern about the long-term viability of that arrangement. Citrus crops are likely to be affected but, Howitt added, "don't worry, your Napa wines will be just fine, as will Monterey wines."

The only thing you posted rollingblunder is there "could", be a loss of some rice, I guess we have to wait until the rice is harvested to know.

WOW!!! If, after reading the articles I just cited and quoted, ALL you can grasp from all that info is that there could be some loss of rice, you are obviously even more retarded and insane than it earlier seemed....and frankly, you have always seemed to be off the rails and bat-poop crazy, so...

 

[KissMy]

How is it so, that during what we are told, is, "the worst drought in history", that California produces a record harvest of Grapes.

Seems awful short sighted, even mean, that California's Liberal/Democrats are more concerned with their "upper class wine", than saving water.

Water spilled for Wine, Water spilled for Solar Power. Yet the people are made to suffer with no water.

Liberal/Democrats, I guess this is what Obama talks about at all those Beverly Hills fund raisers.

Calif. wine-grape growers celebrate record harvest Fox News

Your entire post is pure bullshit! You did not link to facts. You cherry picked (grape picked) crops & linked to articles that fit your agenda. Facts prove you are a lair.

Grape production dropped. 2013 Grape harvest was 7.8 million metric tons, 2014 Grape harvest was 7.2 million metric tons.
California Corn Production for 2013 was 35.1 million bushel. For 2014 it was only 19.3 million bushel.
California Rice Production for 2013 was 23,787 tons. For 2014 it was only 18,404 tons.
California Cotton Production for 2013 was 943,000 bales. For 2014 it was only 725,000 bales.

 

[elektra]

The 2014 is not picked yet and what

How is it so, that during what we are told, is, "the worst drought in history", that California produces a record harvest of Grapes.

Seems awful short sighted, even mean, that California's Liberal/Democrats are more concerned with their "upper class wine", than saving water.

Water spilled for Wine, Water spilled for Solar Power. Yet the people are made to suffer with no water.

Liberal/Democrats, I guess this is what Obama talks about at all those Beverly Hills fund raisers.

Calif. wine-grape growers celebrate record harvest Fox News

Your entire post is pure bullshit! You did not link to facts. You cherry picked (grape picked) crops & linked to articles that fit your agenda. Facts prove you are a lair.

Grape production dropped. 2013 Grape harvest was 7.8 million metric tons, 2014 Grape harvest was 7.2 million metric tons.
California Corn Production for 2013 was 35.1 million bushel. For 2014 it was only 19.3 million bushel.
California Rice Production for 2013 was 23,787 tons. For 2014 it was only 18,404 tons.
California Cotton Production for 2013 was 943,000 bales. For 2014 it was only 725,000 bales.

You are comparing the record setting total of 2013 grape harvest to 2014 which has not finished harvest.

How is that possible? That is like calling 2014 a year of drought when the year is only half over.

cherry picked? My thread shows we are not suffering, our grape harvest is above average this year, we are not suffering. Grapes for wine is the topic because it's the snobs who drink our expensive wine. Water for the rich, for the grapes, not for the people, wine is non-essential hence the relevance to California not suffering.

Wine for the rich snob politicians and environmentalists while the propaganda screams drought.

rice, that gets harvested mid to late september, it's easy for all to see who is full of bullshit.

there is a reason I used figures from 2013, it was not "cherry picking", it was because that years harvest is over. 2014 has just begun.

Now how did you come up with end of year harvest figures for rice and grapes when the harvest has just begun?

Again, I started a thread about if we are suffering, activist like to argue everything but the OP.

 

[Crick]

How is it that you think grape harvest trump these:

 

[MeBelle]

(1) The record crop growth was last year, which is 2013. In other words...before the drought. So the OP article is irrelevant to what this year's crop yield will be, which is not yet known because the year is not over, and which will most definitely be less than 2013.

(2) CA is most definitely in a drought. I live here, and I see it with my own eyes every day. The drought is very real and very serious, regardless of the validity of global warming.

(3) The above two points are all that needs to be said in this thread.

Yes, yes, save the fish bait and dump the reservoir water into the sea.

That's what happens in Northern Cali.

 

[MeBelle]

Everything is fine, as long as you are a rich wine producer, plenty of water to expand profits while at the same time the people are told we ain't got the water to flush the toilet or take a hot bath.

Irony?

A few things;

Many of the grapes are grown in the North, where there is plenty of water. Most of the issue with drought in in Southern California due to Brown and the ruling democrats shutting off delta water.

Secondly, grapes are generally grown with reclaimed water, which is not suitable for drinking.

^^^ Excactly^^^

I grow grapes.

 

[KissMy]

The 2014 is not picked yet and what

How is it so, that during what we are told, is, "the worst drought in history", that California produces a record harvest of Grapes.

Seems awful short sighted, even mean, that California's Liberal/Democrats are more concerned with their "upper class wine", than saving water.

Water spilled for Wine, Water spilled for Solar Power. Yet the people are made to suffer with no water.

Liberal/Democrats, I guess this is what Obama talks about at all those Beverly Hills fund raisers.

Calif. wine-grape growers celebrate record harvest Fox News

Your entire post is pure bullshit! You did not link to facts. You cherry picked (grape picked) crops & linked to articles that fit your agenda. Facts prove you are a lair.

Grape production dropped. 2013 Grape harvest was 7.8 million metric tons, 2014 Grape harvest was 7.2 million metric tons.
California Corn Production for 2013 was 35.1 million bushel. For 2014 it was only 19.3 million bushel.
California Rice Production for 2013 was 23,787 tons. For 2014 it was only 18,404 tons.
California Cotton Production for 2013 was 943,000 bales. For 2014 it was only 725,000 bales.

You are comparing the record setting total of 2013 grape harvest to 2014 which has not finished harvest.

How is that possible? That is like calling 2014 a year of drought when the year is only half over.

cherry picked? My thread shows we are not suffering, our grape harvest is above average this year, we are not suffering. Grapes for wine is the topic because it's the snobs who drink our expensive wine. Water for the rich, for the grapes, not for the people, wine is non-essential hence the relevance to California not suffering.

Wine for the rich snob politicians and environmentalists while the propaganda screams drought.

rice, that gets harvested mid to late september, it's easy for all to see who is full of bullshit.

there is a reason I used figures from 2013, it was not "cherry picking", it was because that years harvest is over. 2014 has just begun.

Now how did you come up with end of year harvest figures for rice and grapes when the harvest has just begun?

Again, I started a thread about if we are suffering, activist like to argue everything but the OP.

USDA production numbers count harvested & unharvested crop. They are the latest USDA crop production numbers that were released today. Grape production is the lowest in over 10 years!

 

[elektra]

Everything is fine, as long as you are a rich wine producer, plenty of water to expand profits while at the same time the people are told we ain't got the water to flush the toilet or take a hot bath.

Irony?

A few things;

Many of the grapes are grown in the North, where there is plenty of water. Most of the issue with drought in in Southern California due to Brown and the ruling democrats shutting off delta water.

Secondly, grapes are generally grown with reclaimed water, which is not suitable for drinking.

^^^ Excactly^^^

I grow grapes.

So then you know we had a record harvest last year and this year is thus far above average for grapes.

 

[KissMy]

Your entire OP post is pure bullshit! You cherry picked (grape picked) crop harvest from last year & linked to articles that fit your agenda. Today's Facts prove you are a lair. Grape production & California crops listed below are at 10 year lows.

2013 Grape harvest was 7.8 million metric tons, 2014 Grape harvest was 7.2 million metric tons.
California Corn Production for 2013 was 35.1 million bushel. For 2014 it was only 19.3 million bushel.
California Rice Production for 2013 was 23,787 tons. For 2014 it was only 18,404 tons.
California Cotton Production for 2013 was 943,000 bales. For 2014 it was only 725,000 bales.

September 9th 2014 Drought Monitor

September 6th 2014 Palmer Drought Index

 

[elektra]

Everything is fine, as long as you are a rich wine producer, plenty of water to expand profits while at the same time the people are told we ain't got the water to flush the toilet or take a hot bath.

Irony?

A few things;

Many of the grapes are grown in the North, where there is plenty of water. Most of the issue with drought in in Southern California due to Brown and the ruling democrats shutting off delta water.

Secondly, grapes are generally grown with reclaimed water, which is not suitable for drinking.

Actually the grapes are mostly grown in the south or central california. Not much in the north. If you do not know that much how accurate is your knowledge.

Grapes are generally grown with reclaimed water, I got to call pure bullshit on that.

 

[elektra]

September 9th 2014 Drought Monitor

I see you can color,

 

[elektra]

How is it that you think grape harvest trump these:

Because the grape harvest is what was picked, it was above average and set a record last yeat, this year is not over.

The actual harvest will always trump a colored drawing posted in a thread, I would think you would stop with the pure stupidity.

 

[ShackledNation]

You're claiming the US government drought maps are a vast conspiracy? Like I said, you're delusional. Only you know the RealTruth, eh?

Could you tell us again about how grapes grown with water from rapidly declining reservoirs proves there's no drought? That bit of non-logic was quite amusing.

Can you show us which Grapes are watered by Reservoir instead of making a bullshit statement off the top of your head. You can not because you lied.

He did not lie. The grapes grown in Napa Valley (the most famous wine region in California) get their water from reservoirs, which are being depleted due to lack of rain. Many also get water from groundwater, which is also being depleted. Of course they all get water from rain--but that has been nonexistent.
CALIFORNIA Napa grape growers fret over their future amid severe drought -- Tuesday January 28 2014 -- www.eenews.net

Your ignorance is astounding.

Can you explain how come the recent California Rain is excluded from the Map and the Report.

The map reflects conditions of 9/2/2014. The rains came several days after that, so obviously are not included. Duh.

The Map is for dummies by the activist, David Simeral.

My OP stands vaild, California is not suffering. Record yields of Grape every year of this drought, Grapes are for wine, I did not cherry pick the grape data, it just stands out as bragging while others suffer the politics

A record harvest of Grapes for Wine while telling the public we can not take a bath or flush our toilets. I bet Obama drank that wine with his Hollywood friends as well as his friends in the rich city of Carmel.

Keep parroting your B.S. As has already been shown to you, CA agriculture is suffering to the tune of what is expected to be $1 billion. Ski resorts had horrible seasons, as did ski towns, because there was simply not any snow. Many grape farmers are also suffering. I have already given you links to data that proves all of this to be true.

Methinks that you are so blinded by your denial of global warming that refuse to the negative effects of the CA drought because you think seeing those effects means global warming is real. In reality, the presence of a drought does not require you to believe in global warming.

ignorance, try and keep up, your link is from january, my facts clearly show this year's grape harvest was beyond the January expectations and forecast. The article specifically addresses this article.

funny fact, it rained after january, all spring, the grape harvest was fat, above average.

Once again, you prove you can not read and are ignoring all the facts.

My OP is validated by the opposition again.

Now watch this post get ignored, except for maybe some cherry picking.

August and July's farm reports all prove the early January forecasts are wrong.

Further, I got rain in the week in which that report was applicable, the week before as well which the prior week ignored as well, our rain for august was the opposite of the normal precipitation, meaning it was a record wet august, for august my region was not in a drought. The drought report ignores facts.

My link is from January of 2014. Your link is from the grape harvest of 2013, not this year. You have been called out on that lie multiple times now. The reality is that the drought is harming communities and businesses across California, and doing long-term damage to our groundwater and reservoirs.

 

[ShackledNation]

How is it that you think grape harvest trump these:

Because the grape harvest is what was picked, it was above average and set a record last yeat, this year is not over.

The actual harvest will always trump a colored drawing posted in a thread, I would think you would stop with the pure stupidity.

How does looking only at how big the grape harvest may be determine that the drought in California does not have any negative effects? You are cherry picking a single crop. Furthermore, you keep pointing to last year's record grape harvest, which you continually refuse to acknowledge was the result of a wetter year in the regions where grapes are grown (the drought had not yet started in those areas).

 

[Old Rocks]

You know, I thought ol' Frankie Boy hit the record for ignoring reality, but Elektra and his buddy, JC, have exceeded even Frankie Boy.

But, unfortunately, no matter how much you two idiots lie about reality, reality will not change. Would be nice if we could just tell enough lies to change what is happening to the farms in California. If that could work, we would actually have a use for "Conservatives".

 

[elektra]

You know, I thought ol' Frankie Boy hit the record for ignoring reality, but Elektra and his buddy, JC, have exceeded even Frankie Boy.

But, unfortunately, no matter how much you two idiots lie about reality, reality will not change. Would be nice if we could just tell enough lies to change what is happening to the farms in California. If that could work, we would actually have a use for "Conservatives".

Nice to see old crock come in to flame, troll and run. I guess old crock got tired of getting his ass handed to him in debate hence it's flame and run.

 

[elektra]

How is it that you think grape harvest trump these:

Because the grape harvest is what was picked, it was above average and set a record last yeat, this year is not over.

The actual harvest will always trump a colored drawing posted in a thread, I would think you would stop with the pure stupidity.

How does looking only at how big the grape harvest may be determine that the drought in California does not have any negative effects? You are cherry picking a single crop. Furthermore, you keep pointing to last year's record grape harvest, which you continually refuse to acknowledge was the result of a wetter year in the regions where grapes are grown (the drought had not yet started in those areas).

A wetter region? Which region is that? Careful, best do some google searching before you make yourself a bigger fool.

In these very threads it's stated that this drought started at the end of 2011, now you claim otherwise, I should see what your comments in that thread are.

Now how about telling us were that wet region is so I Xanax ha e fun making you look the fool. Go ahead, I doubt you will reply cause your search will put a your foot in your mouth.