Bye bye Victor

[Litwin]

That was the Ottoman Empire that Russia conquered you muppet.

And a hundred other states, many of which are much older than your favorite Mongol‑Moscow ulus

Novgorod Republic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Tsarev ulus : Russia in the Golden Horde - Persée

by the way, do you remember them ? they loved the Moscow ulus as well ...

 

[TimFitz]

Yup they did, because the Kiev puppet regime was killing ethnic Russians who weren’t buying into the installed Regime.

Russians have always been willing to go to war to protect Slavic people, and these ones consider themselves Russian as they speak Russian. That whole area used to be Russia. The Biden Regime knew that and chose to support Kiev killing ethnic Russians in order to draw them into the war.

Still peddling the Kremlin line?

The regime was popularly elected. The only irregularities were reported in the Russian dominated areas.

The whole country used to be Russia. Putin’s stated goal was total conquest. He also said repeatedly that the conquest of Ukraine was the stepping off point for the resubjigation of all the former Soviet Block.

You may want to ask yourself why no crowds assembled in the street in “ethnic Russian” areas to welcome the invading Russian armies.

 

[jacksonlamb]

What law?

If you can read well, don't be disingenuous.

 

[TimFitz]

the Biden corpse, in his own stuttering, mumbling rant.

What is a “peo-le”?

Thank you for making my point.

I predicted you would run away from your own words again.

Juvenile rants are your favorite tools.

 

[TimFitz]

The Europeans hate their shit healthcare. That’s why in Germany so many people buy private health insurance when they can afford it. The state run system is crap.

They certainly have their fair share of violence with the Muslim imports they have.

I guess that’s why not one single nation on earth has ever abandoned single payer universal health care,

Your bigotry is irrelevant.

 

[TimFitz]

How has that worked out for Britan?

What’s the most common newborn baby name there now?

The UK is now a filthy shit hole country on the way to being completely dominated by Islamists, the biggest actual fascists in the world.

Your hatred of Christ and Christians has driven you to your Muslim masters. Have fun.

I’m sure your colleagues at the “Internet Research Agency” cheered when their fake news and influence campaigns helped divide the EU with Brexit.

 

[theHawk]

If you can read well, don't be disingenuous.

You’re the one making the claim.

Now what law is he having them break?

 

[jacksonlamb]

You’re the one making the claim.

Now what law is he having them break?

That question is not relevant. He was defeated, period. He is gone. He is being replaced by a rightwing conservative political party that is not koo koo for Trump puffs.

 

[TimFitz]

What law?

The Constitution which requires due process under the law.

You almost certainly don’t know what that is. You’re Putin’s troll here.

 

[TimFitz]

That was the Ottoman Empire that Russia conquered you muppet.

Russia did not conquer the Ottoman Empire.

 

[jacksonlamb]

You’re the one making the claim.

Now what law is he having them break?

It's your point, not mine. Explain why.

 

[theHawk]

The Constitution which requires due process under the law.

You almost certainly don’t know what that is. You’re Putin’s troll here.

Illegals do get “due process”. They have a chance to prove their citizenship, when they can’t, they get deported.


Nice try.

 

[theHawk]

Russia did not conquer the Ottoman Empire.

In that region in that time they certainly did.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Illegals do get “due process”. They have a chance to prove their citizenship, when they can’t, they get deported.

Nice try.

ICE has been trying to avoid that wherever possible, as you well know. And we jerks who keep saying the don't have the same legal rights as you and me.

 

[theHawk]

ICE has been trying to avoid that wherever possible, as you well know. And we jerks who keep saying the don't have the same legal rights as you and me.

They’ve been trying to avoid what??

It’s a total lie that they deport US citizens.

It’s their JOB to capture and deport illegal aliens.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Yes — ICE has deported U.S. citizens, and this has continued in recent years.​

It is rare, but it has happened, including within the last 16 months. These cases are usually the result of:

• Mistaken identity
• Faulty or incomplete records
• Wrong assumptions about citizenship
• Pressure to process cases quickly

Because ICE does not publish a category called “citizens mistakenly deported,” the exact number is not officially tracked. But multiple investigations, court cases, and audits confirm that it occurs.

I will accept that thehawk is not deliberately lying, but is generally misinformed, uninformed, and has no form.

 

[Litwin]

In that region in that time they certainly did.

Muscovy never had (and still does not have) Christianity — what existed there was a mixture of Islam and Mongol Nestorianism (architecture, clothing, weapons, slavery, harems‑ceremonies; everywhere you look — Islam or Islamic influence). Therefore all actions of Muscovy and its church must be understood with this context in mind.

and from the left :

The origin of Moscovy lies in the bloody degradation of Mongolian slavery...
"semi-Asiatic" menace to "Europe" and "civilization ...
the Muscovites. They are not Slavs; they do not belong to the Indo-Germanic race at all, they are des intrus [intruders], who must be chased back across the Dnieper,

Karl Marx (1856–57/1873)


to the right :

"Let us begin with this evident fact: Muscovy does not belong at all to Europe, but to Asia. It follows that judging Muscovy and the Muscovites by our European standards is a mistake to be avoided."
—gonzague de reynold, 19501
In methodological terms, one should de-Europeanise any analysis of Muscovite policy.
— thomas gomart, 20062

Post in thread 'Chinese academic Deng Xize : "No more Mongol-Muscovy style empire: Thoughts on the war in Ukraine, ...such empires will no longer be tolerated."'

Jan 18, 2025

Mongol Foundations of the Moscow empire :
Space, Life Security, Sovereignty and War
from the Golden Horde to the Civil War
By Robert Bedeski
Affiliate Professor, University of Washington
Professor Emeritus, University of Victoria , Canada


https://jsis.washington.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2017/05/Bedeski_Robert_Mongol-Foundations-of-the-Russian-State-1.pdf

• Litwin

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The elections in Hungary took place without any irregularities. That’s surprising for a country with a “dictatorship,” isn’t it?

But not surprising for a country with a wannabe dictator, when they keep him from interfering with the election.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What law?

Don't feed the sealions ^^

 

[Ringo]

In Hungary, a lawless dictator lost in democratic elections held without violations.
The dictator also immediately and calmly conceded defeat.

And in Ukraine, a democratic leader, who has imprisoned or killed all the opposition, continues to be president without elections. Don’t get it mixed up.