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It was pretty well documented that both Cheney and W thought BushI fucked up by not removing Saddam in Gulf WarI. But BushI didn't want the US to occupy Iraq. I'm sorta with Ray on this one. I just didn't see what was so important to Iraq and Kuwait for the principal that you can't change borders with wars. Obviously, you look at Russia today, or even with Georgia and Moldova, and you see the principle and the danger. But Kuwait was sort of a family dispute, and we actually egged Saddam on to attack Iran.
where did you learn this BS?
not impressed "ONLY MUSTARD GAS AND A NERVE AGENT" is not enough{...
The best evidence to answer this is a 1990 report by the Strategic Studies Institute of the US Army War College. It concluded that Iran, not Iraq, was the culprit in Halabja. While the War College report acknowledges that Iraq used mustard gas during the Halabja hostilities, it notes that mustard gas is an incapacitating, rather than a killing agent, with a fatality rate of only 2%, so that it could not have killed the hundreds of known dead, much less the thousands of dead claimed by Human Rights Watch.
According to the War College reconstruction of events, Iran struck first taking control of the village. The Iraqis counter-attacked using mustard gas. The Iranians then attacked again, this time using a "blood agent" - cyanogens chloride or hydrogen cyanide - and re-took the town, which Iran then held for several months. Having control of the village and its grisly dead, Iran blamed the gas deaths on the Iraqis, and the allegations of Iraqi genocide took root via a credulous international press and, a little later, cynical promotion of the allegations for political purposes by the US state department and Senate.
Stephen Pelletiere, who was the CIA's senior political analyst on Iraq throughout the Iran-Iraq war, closely studied evidences of "genocide in Halabja" has described his group's findings: "The great majority of the victims seen by reporters and other observers who attended the scene were blue in their extremities. That means that they were killed by a blood agent, probably either cyanogens chloride or hydrogen cyanide. Iraq never used and lacked any capacity to produce these chemicals. But the Iranians did deploy them. Therefore the Iranians killed the Kurds."
Pelletiere's report also said that international relief organisations that examined the Kurdish refugees in Turkey failed to discover any gassing victims. After 15 years of support to the allegations of HRW, the CIA finally admitted in its report published in October 2003 that only mustard gas and a nerve agent was used by Iraq. The CIA now seems to be fully supporting the US Army War College report of April 1990, as a cyanide-based blood agent that Iraq never had, and not mustard gas or a nerve agent, killed the Kurds who died at Halabja and which concludes that the Iranians perpetrated that attack as a media war tactic.
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What Happened in Kurdish Halabja?
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So the US Army War College and the CIA now agree that it was Iran who gassed Halabja with cyanide and killed thousands.
interesting idiocyWhile mustard gas is toxic on high concentration, since it has such a strong smell, all one has to do is reverse direction to void it, depending on wind direction.
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Mustard gas has a long history of being used as a blister agent in warfare and is one of the most well-studied of such agents. It can form large blisters on exposed skin and in the lungs, often resulting in prolonged illness ending in death.[5] Sulfur mustards are viscous liquids at room temperature and have an odor resembling mustard plants, garlic, or horseradish, hence the name.
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So it is used almost entirely for psychological effects to disrupt an attack, and not mass murder.
your "pill" is not only bitter----it is idiotic. At no time did Bush shift the
"blame" for 9/11/01 to Iraq and Saddam Hussein. He CORRECTLY
presented your pal Saddam as an evil player in possession of weapons
designed to effectuate mass murder and seeking more. You did accomplish
one intelligent feat-----you juxtaposed PUTIN AND SADDAM
not impressed "ONLY MUSTARD GAS AND A NERVE AGENT" is not enough
as an agent of terrorism? More news----both the Iraqi sunnis and the iranian
shiites are delighted to murder Kurds. Mustard gas and the phosphodiesterase
interesting idiocy
Iraq wasn’t decided by one man. It was decided by all of CongressIf you are a person like me and you remember what you saw not what you were told to see, then you realize just how tragic George W. Bush’s latest gaffe is. Bush must have been drinking sodium pentothal as he uttered the actual truth the other day. If anyone wonders what led to the deaths of nearly 3,000 Americans at the World Trade Center in 2001, they now know. Let’s wind the clock back to 1990 when Bush’s father, George HW. Bush, dispatched US ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie, to meet with Saddam Hussein who was massing troops along the Border of Kuwait. Bush wanted Glaspie to find out What Saddam what planning.
Saddam came up with some story about Kuwait stealing Iraqi oil and that he had had enough of it. Saddam was looking for permission to invade Kuwait and take its oil for himself. Saddam assumed that because he had acted as a counterbalance to Iran and had been provided with chemical and biological weapons by the Bush administration some of which he used to exterminate Kurds, that the US would condone his invasion. He expected only some diplomatic noise as he rolled into Kuwait.
Glaspie, a long-time member of the Foreign Service, who knew full well how important diplomatic language is in sensitive potentially dangerous situations, then told Saddam that the US “Has no opinion on Arab-Arab conflicts” which Saddam interpreted as “By all means, go ahead and take Kuwait, we will not do anything”. Saddam invaded Kuwait a few days later and the Gulf War ensued. Glaspie has never been held responsible for her ineptitude and the millions of deaths that incompetence led to and neither has Bush the Elder. By the way, the incident is likely the seed that spawned the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 which failed to take down the structure.
In 2001 Bush the younger was elected and the second attack on the World Trade Center utterly leveled it with skyjacked domestic airliners killing thousands. Nearly all the skyjackers were from Saudi Arabia; none had any connection to Iraq. When Bush told the American people that the people who had done this would hear from us very soon, they scratched their heads as Bush decided to attack Iraq that had nothing to do with the attack on American soil. Bush ignored the Saudi connection and promptly crafted a plan to attack Saddam Hussein under the pretense that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction that Bush assumed must have still existed because his father had given them to Iraq years before.
The Entire Iraq war had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction. It was to distract attention away from Saudi Arabia, the real culprit and to cover up the ineptitude of Bush’s father who was the one responsible for all the death and bloodshed that followed. The war in Iraq was to protect the legacy of the Bush’s.
Talk about irony. Bush blurted it out nationally. It was no Freudian slip; the truth jumped from his lips.
Is George W. Bush's latest gaffe his worst of all time?
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It's called "slant drilling".And Kuwait really was "cross drilling" into Iraq's oil fields.
More leftist bullshit!It was pretty well documented that both Cheney and W thought BushI fucked up by not removing Saddam in Gulf WarI. But BushI didn't want the US to occupy Iraq. I'm sorta with Ray on this one. I just didn't see what was so important to Iraq and Kuwait for the principal that you can't change borders with wars. Obviously, you look at Russia today, or even with Georgia and Moldova, and you see the principle and the danger. But Kuwait was sort of a family dispute, and we actually egged Saddam on to attack Iran.
There is no publicly available proof, but the Intelligence Establishment says they have it.There is no proof of that.
you are actually funny-----The Iranians do not have bitter almonds orThe point being that those killed in Halabja were killed by cyanide, which Iraq did not have or ever use, and Iran did.
Saddam may have "delighted" in the killing of Kurds, but Saddam had no ground troups near Halabja.
Saddam was just providing air cover for Kurdish troops allied with Saddam, in order to fight Iranian invaders.
So there is no way Saddam could have attacked the Kurdish civilians in Halabja with toxic chemicals.
And Iraq was never successful in creating any "nerve agent" with a practical shelf life.
They were even trying binary shells casings, without success.
And where did he get the knowledge for all the weapons of mass destruction, the nerve gas the biological and mustard gas, Directly from Reagan, Reagan was a total piece of shit just like Trump. Not as bad as Trump . But typical right wing ugly.the operative words being "....after being put in casing......" Mustard gas
is made easily-----saddam had the recipe and was making the stuff as
needed based on nitrogen compounds in storage which are useful in the
making of Nitrogen Mustard gas and explosives
actually you are wrong again. The "RECIPES" came from the nazis welcomed into Egypt after World War II Those were nazi war criminals and scientists who escaped the Nuremburg Trials. The recipes were happily handed to the BaathistAnd where did he get the knowledge for all the weapons of mass destruction, the nerve gas the biological and mustard gas, Directly from Reagan, Reagan was a total piece of shit just like Trump. Not as bad as Trump . But typical right wing ugly.
Doesn't matter where he got it, it is 100% true, Reagan gave Iraq all the chemical weapons that we were worried about and even sent technicians to show them how to make it themselves.where did you learn this BS?
wrong again----chemicals purchased from or donated by the USADoesn't matter where he got it, it is 100% true, Reagan gave Iraq all the chemical weapons that we were worried about and even sent technicians to show them how to make it themselves.
Reagan and Bush 1 OKed sales of these weapons to Iraq. I love these Q anon people always get Irate when facts get in the way of their bullshit. Here's a fun ditty, "European firms in Italy and Germany used American designs to build artillery shells for use with chemical weapons, selling at least 85,000. A German firm built a massive chemical weapons facility in Iraq, and two American companies provided the chemicals needed to produce mustard gas." This is a hoot. Haters trying to hide from the truth, it always makes for good comedy.actually you are wrong again. The "RECIPES" came from the nazis welcomed into Egypt after World War II Those were nazi war criminals and scientists who escaped the Nuremburg Trials. The recipes were happily handed to the Baathist
pigs------your heroes. Both the cholinesterase inhbitor nerve gasses and nitrogen mustard gas were weapons of your nazi heroes
I knew from the beginning that Bush was lying.
I knew Saddam had always been anti-islamic-fundamentalist and anti-terrorist.
He was about our best Mideast ally.
The fact we lied about Saddam is incomprehensible, and all I can figure is that the Saudis or Israel wanted to get rid of him for some reason?
Fertilizer you say. Ok , this is fun!wrong again----chemicals purchased from or donated by the USA
to Iraq were designated for agricultural purposes. When you pass 10th
grade chemistry class------I will discuss that fact with you. The recipes for
the murderous usages that so delight you were NAZI TO BAATHIST
it was the same fun that exploded in the basement of the world tradeFertilizer you say. Ok , this is fun!
ROFLMAO "source that you can accept"I'll make this easy for the people who are interested in this, Google "Reagan gave chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein" then go into the page after pages of sources till you find one source that you are OK with and read it. There are 177,000 results, so you will be able to find a source that you can accept. Have fun, something else to look up that is a total gas is look up code name curveball
You are a cartoon character. This has nothing to do with the thread. You know you got them by the balls when they have to lower themselves to this routine. Why didn't you go with, Obama wasn't born in the US or Hunter Biden something something or old faithful Clinton lied.it was the same fun that exploded in the basement of the world trade
center in 1993-----sorry----only about seven people were killed that day in
the honor of the rapist of mecca---try to cope
