Budget Approved

[DamnYankee]

I suppose this could just as easily have been posted in the Finance forum, but let's see where it goes.

washingtonpost.com

Congress Approves Obama's $3.4 Trillion Spending Blueprint
(By Lori Montgomery, The Washington Post)



The Democratically controlled Congress yesterday easily approved a $3.4 trillion spending plan, setting the stage for President Obama to pursue the first major overhaul of the nation's health-care system in a generation along with other far-reaching domestic initiatives.

Despite a persistent recession and soaring budget deficits, Democrats overwhelmingly endorsed the president's request for hundreds of billions of dollars in new spending over the next decade for college loans, early childhood education programs, veterans' benefits and investments in renewable energy aimed at reducing the nation's dependence on foreign oil.

Lawmakers also agreed to use a powerful procedural tool known as reconciliation to advance the president's proposal to expand health coverage for the uninsured -- a move that ensures Republicans would not be able to filibuster the legislation. Unlike in 1993, when then-President Bill Clinton unveiled a universal coverage plan that went nowhere on Capitol Hill, Obama has a strong mandate for change from both chambers of Congress and a mid-October deadline for key congressional committees to send legislation to the full House and Senate.

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Nice that the very ethical Rangel found the question so amusing....


P.S. If I screwed-up the "size", I apologize in advance....

 

[WillowTree]

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listen to steny and nancy and harry bitch about republicans,, I wouldn't blame the republicans if they pissed in their coffee whining little freaky assholes.


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[DiamondDave]

What a shock.. the doe eyed DEMs overwhelmingly supported it

What a dark, dark, day for our country....

 

[editec]

What a shock.. the doe eyed DEMs overwhelmingly supported it

What a dark, dark, day for our country....

Yes, end of the world stuff.

The nerve of those damned Dems supporting college loans, early childhood education programs, veterans' benefits and investments in renewable energy aimed at reducing the nation's dependence on foreign oil.

Why it's almost like they WANT this nation to survive intact or something.

Selfless bastards!

 

[WillowTree]

selfless whining bastards ,,, I hate that bony finger waving bitch..

they whine cause now they don't have the Republicans to blame,, I love it.. the party of no stuck by their principles and the party of no principles and tax evaders are pissed off. wheeee another day in DUmbdum!

 

[DiamondDave]

What a shock.. the doe eyed DEMs overwhelmingly supported it

What a dark, dark, day for our country....

Yes, end of the world stuff.

The nerve of those damned Dems supporting college loans, early childhood education programs, veterans' benefits and investments in renewable energy aimed at reducing the nation's dependence on foreign oil.

Why it's almost like they WANT this nation to survive intact or something.

Selfless bastards!

Selfless with other people's money... typical

And lest we not forget.. just because a group of people WANT something, does not mean it is someone else's responsibility

And if you think this is more about Vet's benefits increases or school for minors, you are SADLY mistaken

4.3 TRILLION... you could give every student new textbooks, school uniforms, school meals, shiny new buses to ride on, and every vet every health procedure they could possibly need... and you won't even make a dent

No, edit... this is about wasteful spending, trying to hand out more unearned entitlements, pet projects, and expanding the tendrils of the federal government

And to think we could not survive without the DEMs telling us what is best for us and taking care of our personal needs... what a fucking laugh

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What a shock.. the doe eyed DEMs overwhelmingly supported it

What a dark, dark, day for our country....

Yes, end of the world stuff.

The nerve of those damned Dems supporting college loans, early childhood education programs, veterans' benefits and investments in renewable energy aimed at reducing the nation's dependence on foreign oil.

Why it's almost like they WANT this nation to survive intact or something.

Selfless bastards!

Exactly HOW much of this budget is DEFICIT? Remind us again how Bush was bad for spending a third what Obama is spending. You people are as dumb as rocks.

Go ahead explain again how THIS deficit spending is good cause you happen to like it. And in a couple years when taxes are around 60 percent or more remember YOU DUMB ASSES WANTED it.

When we are so deep in inflation that you need a wheel barrel to carry the cash to the store for a loaf of bread, remind us how THIS spending was GOOD for the Country.

When health care eats up more and more of the Budget and we get bigger and bigger deficits remind us all how THIS plan was just GREAT.

FUCKING MORONS.

 

[DamnYankee]

Editec:
The nerve of those damned Dems supporting college loans, early childhood education programs, veterans' benefits and investments in renewable energy aimed at reducing the nation's dependence on foreign oil.

Why it's almost like they WANT this nation to survive intact or something.

Selfless bastards!



Did you bother to read the OP, or are you merely having a knee-jerk reaction to poster commentary? YOUR commentary indicates the latter....

Here's a challenge for you. Tell me/us how your commentary is remotely related to the emphasized [and editorialized] points in the OP. You up to it?

 

[editec]

Editec:
The nerve of those damned Dems supporting college loans, early childhood education programs, veterans' benefits and investments in renewable energy aimed at reducing the nation's dependence on foreign oil.

Why it's almost like they WANT this nation to survive intact or something.

Selfless bastards!



Did you bother to read the OP, or are you merely having a knee-jerk reaction to poster commentary? YOUR commentary indicates the latter....

Here's a challenge for you. Tell me/us how your commentary is remotely related to the emphasized [and editorialized] points in the OP. You up to it?

Allie, what makes you think I have to follow anyone down their obvious ratholes?

My comment was aimed at the fact that people are complaining about the GOOD things that come along with this bill.

If you read my many posts on this subject you'll realize that I am not entirely thrilled with many of the provisions of this bailout...often for exactly the same reason our libertarian chums aren't, FYI.

But those monies spent on things with which I agree are ALSO part of the plan, are they not?

 

[Iriemon]

What a shock.. the doe eyed DEMs overwhelmingly supported it

What a dark, dark, day for our country....

Yes, end of the world stuff.

The nerve of those damned Dems supporting college loans, early childhood education programs, veterans' benefits and investments in renewable energy aimed at reducing the nation's dependence on foreign oil.

Why it's almost like they WANT this nation to survive intact or something.

Selfless bastards!

... Remind us again how Bush was bad for spending a third what Obama is spending. You people are as dumb as rocks.

For us dumb rocks, please provide a source for your claim that Bush was spending a third of what Obama is.

This dumb rock thinks you are totally wrong, and your total misconception of fact may be what causes you to think everyone else is dumb.

But you can prove what dumb rocks we are by citing to source that shows Obama is spending three times more than Bush.

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Dumb rocks.

 

[NOBama]

What a shock.. the doe eyed DEMs overwhelmingly supported it

What a dark, dark, day for our country....

Yes, end of the world stuff.

The nerve of those damned Dems supporting college loans, early childhood education programs, veterans' benefits and investments in renewable energy aimed at reducing the nation's dependence on foreign oil.

Why it's almost like they WANT this nation to survive intact or something.

Selfless bastards!

The new American way. If your neighbor can't afford something, it’s your responsibility to buy it for him. Attaboy, Ed.

 

[DamnYankee]

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Jesus Christ.... With all the FULL articles I see here without so much as a comment on them, and one monitor's "as long as there's a link, we pretty much leave you alone", I'm beginning to believe it's the "talking points" that's causing the problem....

Shall I begin again?

 

[DamnYankee]

Let me attempt this in pieces now, WITH the talking points.

washingtonpost.com
[excerpt]
"This is very exciting," said DeAnn Friedholm, health reform director for Consumers Union, the nonprofit publisher of Consumer Reports. "Some of us have spent our entire careers trying to make sure we have a decent health-care system, and I think we're on the precipice of being able to get that this time."

The budget resolution didn't win a single vote from Republican lawmakers, who were enraged that the deficit is projected to exceed $1.2 trillion next year. House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) called it an "audacious move to a big socialist government" that piles "debt on the backs of our kids and our grandkids."


Yeah, I see hypocrisy here -- but more for the statement than for the action. Why not just SAY it was a REACTION TO the Democratic use of reconciliation?

Still, the measure passed the House by a vote of 233 to 193 and the Senate 53 to 43. Only 17 Democrats in the House and three in the Senate voted against it, as did Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, who announced Tuesday that he would leave the Republican Party.

Well, my goodness.... Fiscal responsibility.... Isn't that a GOP political philosophy?


(end of THIS talking point)

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yes, end of the world stuff.

The nerve of those damned Dems supporting college loans, early childhood education programs, veterans' benefits and investments in renewable energy aimed at reducing the nation's dependence on foreign oil.

Why it's almost like they WANT this nation to survive intact or something.

Selfless bastards!

... Remind us again how Bush was bad for spending a third what Obama is spending. You people are as dumb as rocks.

For us dumb rocks, please provide a source for your claim that Bush was spending a third of what Obama is.

This dumb rock thinks you are totally wrong, and your total misconception of fact may be what causes you to think everyone else is dumb.

But you can prove what dumb rocks we are by citing to source that shows Obama is spending three times more than Bush.

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Dumb rocks.

ARe you FUCKING STUPID? The Government Budget Office has already said Obama eill triple the deficit in 4 YEARS. Remember how they were always right when they said anything bad about Bush? Are they now wrong cause they said something bad about Obama?

YOU LOSERS don't give one RATS ass about this country or the deficit. Obama has already agreed to spend over 4 TRILLION Dollars, how much does you FUCKING STUPID ASS think the Government collects in revenue in a year? He wants about half a trillion more for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Hell you dumb ass most of Bush's deficit spending was the bail out last year that the DEMOCRATS wrote and passed.

GOOD GOD you MORONS make me sick. By the time your done we won't have a country. We will be so deep in debt no one will loan us a dime. And then your hero will start printing funny money to "pay" for his pet projects.

Ohh and FUCK WIT? He plans to spend as much NEXT year as he did this YEAR.

Carter was an idiot but even he wasn't this AMAZINGLY STUPID. And what is Obama doing? Fly Airforce one low over New York to scare the shit out of millions of people so he can get a photo op for his first hundred days in office.

 

[DamnYankee]

NEXT talking point

washingtonpost.com

[excerpt]
Approval of the budget blueprint marked a huge victory for Obama on his 100th day in office, but it was not a slam-dunk for him. Lawmakers trimmed his tax-cutting plans, refusing to extend his signature tax credit for working families past 2010 unless it is paid for. They sliced $10 billion from his spending request for non-defense programs in the fiscal year that begins in October and jettisoned his suggestion that another $250 billion would be needed to stabilize the banking system. They also refused to authorize the use of reconciliation for his plan to cap greenhouse gas emissions.

Meanwhile, huge questions remain on the shape of proposed initiatives, particularly on health care.

Oh.... Use reconciliation to shove the health care spending down the throats of those choking on it when they have, as of yet, failed to answer the questions that might prevent the choking.... Good work!

"We are clearly as close as we've ever been, but it's still a long journey," said Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), a member of the Senate Finance Committee, which is taking the lead on health legislation. "This is one of the steepest ascents in politics. We have momentum. We have the right gear, shall we say. But reaching the peak is a hard thing."

You're an idiot, Shumer! If you had the right gear, there wouldn't be such hesitation to wearing it!

End of THIS talking point.

 

[Sarah G]

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listen to steny and nancy and harry bitch about republicans,, I wouldn't blame the republicans if they pissed in their coffee whining little freaky assholes.


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Do the Republicans have to get coffee for Steny, Nancy and Harry now?

Huh..

 

[Iriemon]

... Remind us again how Bush was bad for spending a third what Obama is spending. You people are as dumb as rocks.

For us dumb rocks, please provide a source for your claim that Bush was spending a third of what Obama is.

This dumb rock thinks you are totally wrong, and your total misconception of fact may be what causes you to think everyone else is dumb.

But you can prove what dumb rocks we are by citing to source that shows Obama is spending three times more than Bush.

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Dumb rocks.

... FUCKING STUPID...

... FUCKING STUPID ...

... you MORONS ...

... FUCK WIT ...

Walter just can't seem to be able to play nice with other kids. Everytime he doesn't get his way he throws a tantrum.

If anyone else is interested to see why RGS went into a hissy fit because his statement that Bush was "spending a third what Obama is spending" was challenged, let me know, I'll be happy to show with cites to US Govt sources proving his statement is totally false and not even close to being correct.

 

[WillowTree]

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listen to steny and nancy and harry bitch about republicans,, I wouldn't blame the republicans if they pissed in their coffee whining little freaky assholes.


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Do the Republicans have to get coffee for Steny, Nancy and Harry now?

Huh..

no but I'll get you some,, DUmmie!

 

[DamnYankee]

Final talking point

washingtonpost.com

[excerpt]
The budget resolution is a nonbinding document that does not enact policy, but establishes rules for much of the legislation that will be considered in the coming months. It sets limits for spending on most existing government programs and permits lawmakers to pursue certain additional initiatives so long as they do not increase the deficit.

The resolution also creates a reconciliation process for health care and Obama's plan to dramatically expand the federal college loan program. Under the resolution, if key committees produce health and education legislation by Oct. 15, those measures could pass the Senate with only 51 votes instead of the usual 60.

Republicans and some key Democrats have complained bitterly about using reconciliation for health care, arguing that it robs the minority of influence on major legislation related to one of the biggest sectors of the U.S. economy. Specter and Sen. Robert C. Byrd (D-W.Va.) both cited reconciliation as the reason they opposed the budget resolution, and Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) has vowed to produce a bipartisan bill well before the October deadline.

Even with the advantages of reconciliation, Baucus faces a host of competing demands. Many Senate Republicans have vowed to oppose any measure that creates a government-run health program for the uninsured; many liberal Democrats have vowed to oppose any measure without one. Conservative Democrats, meanwhile, say they want the administration to deliver on its assurances that changing the health-care system will rein in rising costs for federal health programs such as Medicare and Medicaid, not simply expand coverage.

The administration's challenge is "to convince enough of us that their proposal will actually contain costs over the long term," said Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-S.D.), a leader of the Blue Dog Democrats, who temporarily blocked progress on the budget resolution earlier this week amid concern about deficits.

Then there's the matter of paying for expanded coverage, which is expected to cost more than $1 trillion over the next decade. Asked yesterday how Congress might find the money, Rep. Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.), chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, laughed. "With great difficulty," he said.



Nice that the very ethical Rangel found the question so amusing....


Fini.

To Editec, and whomever else, rational arguments welcomed.

 

[WillowTree]

... Remind us again how Bush was bad for spending a third what Obama is spending. You people are as dumb as rocks.

For us dumb rocks, please provide a source for your claim that Bush was spending a third of what Obama is.

This dumb rock thinks you are totally wrong, and your total misconception of fact may be what causes you to think everyone else is dumb.

But you can prove what dumb rocks we are by citing to source that shows Obama is spending three times more than Bush.

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Dumb rocks.

ARe you FUCKING STUPID? The Government Budget Office has already said Obama eill triple the deficit in 4 YEARS. Remember how they were always right when they said anything bad about Bush? Are they now wrong cause they said something bad about Obama?

YOU LOSERS don't give one RATS ass about this country or the deficit. Obama has already agreed to spend over 4 TRILLION Dollars, how much does you FUCKING STUPID ASS think the Government collects in revenue in a year? He wants about half a trillion more for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Hell you dumb ass most of Bush's deficit spending was the bail out last year that the DEMOCRATS wrote and passed.

GOOD GOD you MORONS make me sick. By the time your done we won't have a country. We will be so deep in debt no one will loan us a dime. And then your hero will start printing funny money to "pay" for his pet projects.

Ohh and FUCK WIT? He plans to spend as much NEXT year as he did this YEAR.

Carter was an idiot but even he wasn't this AMAZINGLY STUPID. And what is Obama doing? Fly Airforce one low over New York to scare the shit out of millions of people so he can get a photo op for his first hundred days in office.

Careful now son,, next thing ya know they'll be saying your having a meltdown..