Britain doesn't have the 2nd Amendment...so criminals have guns, just murdered 9 year old, in gun free Britain...

[Paracetamol63]

We incarcerate criminals

There's a reason the 3Strikes Laws are failing. They tend to lock up "criminals" by criminalizing everything. When you wind up with a black guy in St. Louis getting life for holding a joint because he had 2 other strikes on his record you have to wonder what our criminal justice system is actually doing.

Meanwhile some guy in FLorida was just found in full "Rosenberg STyle" with a ton of nuclear state secrets and he's not in jail at this second!

....your Irish buddies are locking up a guy who doesn't want to use the wrong gender when he refers to a student....and you are locking up people who sing Kung Fu fighting....and veterans who tweeted the wrong thing.......and, of course, the murder of 15 million innocent men, women and children...never forget that.....you murder your victims in the millions, we lock up people who are actual criminals.

LOL. Sorry, but America locks up its fair share of silly non-criminal things. If you deny this, you haven't been listening to the discussions around America's penal system.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Hey...dipshit....

The school in Uvalde relied on the police.

And in your twisted fantasy world they'd have to rely on TEACHERS.

TEACHERS! People who go to school to learn hot to teach little kids how add and subtract. THESE ARE NOT BATTLE HARDENED KILLERS, Dipshit.

Again, my 3 points protect schools.......you have nothing....

Your three points are an abomination. You should be ashamed of being such a psychopath. I reject your worldview of guns and barbed wire and thick giant walls.

YOU wanna live in a prison? YOU LIVE IN A PRISON. Go ahead, get out of your guns and do something so you wind up in prison where you will be SAFE!

Man, what the fuck is WRONG with you people?????

 

[flan327]

And in your twisted fantasy world they'd have to rely on TEACHERS.

TEACHERS! People who go to school to learn hot to teach little kids how add and subtract. THESE ARE NOT BATTLE HARDENED KILLERS, Dipshit.



Your three points are an abomination. You should be ashamed of being such a psychopath. I reject your worldview of guns and barbed wire and thick giant walls.

YOU wanna live in a prison? YOU LIVE IN A PRISON. Go ahead, get out of your guns and do something so you wind up in prison where you will be SAFE!

Man, what the fuck is WRONG with you people?????

What is WRONG with you?

 

[Devils_Advocate]

I do

You do what?

Worry about Mass Stabbings or think the U.S. will get rid of the second amendment?

If the Second Amendment, well you lack the votes in the Senate and at the States, so good luck with that.

 

[flan327]

What is WRONG with you?

I taught in an alternative high school

Soft lockdown?
Yup
Hard lockdown?
Yup

Was I ever scared?
Nope

 

[flan327]

You do what?

Worry about Mass Stabbings or think the U.S. will get rid of the second amendment?

If the Second Amendment, well you lack the votes in the Senate and at the States, so good luck with that.

I can’t understand what you are saying
Try again

 

[Devils_Advocate]

I can’t understand what you are saying
Try again

You understood it, so play your game with someone else troll .

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

What is WRONG with you?

You mean because I think it's INCREDIBLY stupid to arm teachers? Something is wrong with me?

LOL.

You are one to talk. Are you one of those gun lovers who doesn't mind seeing dead kids?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Britain doesn't have the 2nd Amendment

It wouldn’t make any difference is it did.

“…people need to know that it is a fallacy to believe that the everyday gun owner can be expected to make all the right choices in a dangerous, fast-moving situation like a mass shooting with high-powered weapons.”

The 'good guy with a gun' myth: Column

Expecting untrained civilians to shoot down terrorists is recipe for more dead innocents.

www.usatoday.com

 

[2aguy]

It wouldn’t make any difference is it did.

“…people need to know that it is a fallacy to believe that the everyday gun owner can be expected to make all the right choices in a dangerous, fast-moving situation like a mass shooting with high-powered weapons.”

The 'good guy with a gun' myth: Column

Expecting untrained civilians to shoot down terrorists is recipe for more dead innocents.

www.usatoday.com

You know, Americans use their legal guns 1.2 million times a year to stop violent criminals....they stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings and stabbings...every single day.....

The same week that Uvalde happened....400 police officers stood outside the doors of that classroom for 90 minutes as the killer murdered Teachers and students....90 fucking minutes...

In West Virginia, a woman....a civilian....with her personal concealed handgun stopped an attacker who also had an AR-15 rifle as he attacked a crowd of people.......stopping him with her gun...

You lying asshole.....

Shortly after that, in an Indiana mall....another civilian, with his personal, concealed carry pistol, stopped another mass public shooter, also armed with an AR-15 rifle, and he stopped him in 15 seconds after the attacker opened fire....

You are a liar.......you are vile..........

 

[Vagabond63]

You mean like biden....the democrat party President of the United States did on Thursday night? Like him? After his brown shirts, blm and antifa spent 7 months looting, burning and murdering Americans in our major cities? You mean like that? Or after the bernie sanders supporter tried to murder the entire Republican baseball team? Like that? Or the attempt by another democrat to murder the conservative Supreme Court Justices? Like that?

You have a funny sense of who is actually violent and dangerous and calling half the country dangerous....

Oh, but your Right wing are pure as the driven snow, not.

You are being redirected...

 

[Vagabond63]

You know, Americans use their legal guns 1.2 million times a year to stop violent criminals....they stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings and stabbings...every single day.....

No they don't. No-one knows how many of these gun uses are real or fantasy attempts at publicity. The reality is that the true figure could be 1/10 of your number or x10 of your number. Without recording each incident objectively, your constant repetition of this figure is complete bullshit.

 

[2aguy]

Oh, but your Right wing are pure as the driven snow, not.

You are being redirected...

Yeah, bullshit. The democrats and their FBI are now pushing an agenda against republicans, and calling anything they can Right Wing violence…… but being a foreigner you won’t understand that

 

[2aguy]

No they don't. No-one knows how many of these gun uses are real or fantasy attempts at publicity. The reality is that the true figure could be 1/10 of your number or x10 of your number. Without recording each incident objectively, your constant repetition of this figure is complete bullshit.

18 different studies on the topic, say you are wrong. Two from the government…. One from the CDC and the other from the Department of Justice..

 

[Vagabond63]

Yeah, bullshit. The democrats and their FBI are now pushing an agenda against republicans, and calling anything they can Right Wing violence…… but being a foreigner you won’t understand that

Yeah, right, whatever. Poor Trumpists, no longer protected by the great orange one, blah, blah.

 

[Vagabond63]

18 different studies on the topic, say you are wrong. Two from the government…. One from the CDC and the other from the Department of Justice..

No they don't. All these "studies" are based on small scale telephone or questionnaire surveys involving a few states, and then extrapolated to give a best guess at best. Pseudoscience at it's worst, an exercise in statistics at it's best. Which study states your 2.1 million figure, by the way, I forget?

 

[2aguy]

No they don't. All these "studies" are based on small scale telephone or questionnaire surveys involving a few states, and then extrapolated to give a best guess at best. Pseudoscience at it's worst, an exercise in statistics at it's best. Which study states your 2.1 million figure, by the way, I forget?

over 5,000 in the sample sizes is not small........and both private and government researchers did this research showing these numbers....professional researchers, most of whom were rabidly anti-gun, trying to prove what you think you know...

Here........

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

 

[Vagabond63]

over 5,000 in the sample sizes is not small

Seriously, out of an estimated gun owning population of 82 million?
Estimated, because no-one knows how many Americans own how many guns. Every "survey/study" you cite is basically a glorified opinion poll, but you keep regurgitating your preferred fantasy figure of 1.2 million DGUs every year as fact.

 

[Vagabond63]

Hell, I played with so many toy guns growing up it isn't funny. It's also how Americans think most conflict is resolved. Our movies, our entertainment, if the character runs into a problem 99% of the time they shoot their way out.

We have a real problem here.

Sadly you do. We started down your road until the Dunblane massacre in 1966. That was our wake up call and so far it has worked, unlike in the US, where children seem to be massacred on a regular basis.

 

[2aguy]

Seriously, out of an estimated gun owning population of 82 million?
Estimated, because no-one knows how many Americans own how many guns. Every "survey/study" you cite is basically a glorified opinion poll, but you keep regurgitating your preferred fantasy figure of 1.2 million DGUs every year as fact.

No...I just posted 18 different studies.....I use the 1.2 number because it comes directly from the Centers for Disease Control research...but it is just one of 18..........

And yes, over 5,000 is a huge sample size for research of this type.....you dumb ass....