Brian Williams Death Penalty QUestion

[Zander]

The Death Penalty will become the next gay marriage type social issue as red states cling to their right to vengeance and Blue States phase it out

Most of the world already look at us as barbarians for our government enforced executions. We will gradually move to a point where exertions are looked at as a remnant of our sordid past

I don't give a proverbial 'rat's ass' what the rest of the world does or thinks when it comes to meting out justice in the USA.

 

[J.E.D]

JosefK....I am curious.....exactly what is your point? Are you saying that Perry had access to infomration that may have proven the guy innocent yet he opted to ignore it and let the man die by lethal injection anyway?

Do you truly believe Perry is such a man?

Do you realize that there was likely an enormous amount of evidence against the man where the "innacuracy" of the aforementioned evidence still did not change the sentiments that the man was guilty?

I dont know this for sure...but I must assume this is the case. Perry does not come across as a man that likes to kill people.

I'm not suggesting that Perry likes to kill people. I'm sure he believes in his heart that he is doing the right thing. But the facts of the matter show that Perry chose not to postpone executions even after state boards suggested that some should have been postponed or stayed because of various reasons: mental capacity, inadequate counsel, etc. What he did was perfectly legal, but to my mind, it was morally reprehensible. The death penalty is a tough issue. Texas executes a lot of people. Some of those people have been proven to be innocent. Therefore, I believe it was fair for Williams to ask Perry that question. I guess that is my main point.

After going back and reading, I realized that I was mistaken about the Willingham case. The Texas Forensic Science Commission report, which concluded that the forensic evidence was interpreted falsely, wasn't released until after his execution; but before the execution, there was a report by a national arson expert which came to similar conclusions that the more extensive report would later come to (that the forensic investigation was faulty), and Perry chose to ignore that report and go ahead with the execution.

Again, Perry may have been acted in a perfectly legal manner, but it seems that, in some cases, he's unwilling to consider leniency even when evidence suggests that the person may be innocent. I don't think that's a good quality for a leader to have.

 

[Jarhead]

JosefK....I am curious.....exactly what is your point? Are you saying that Perry had access to infomration that may have proven the guy innocent yet he opted to ignore it and let the man die by lethal injection anyway?

Do you truly believe Perry is such a man?

Do you realize that there was likely an enormous amount of evidence against the man where the "innacuracy" of the aforementioned evidence still did not change the sentiments that the man was guilty?

I dont know this for sure...but I must assume this is the case. Perry does not come across as a man that likes to kill people.

I'm not suggesting that Perry likes to kill people. I'm sure he believes in his heart that he is doing the right thing. But the facts of the matter show that Perry chose not to postpone executions even after state boards suggested that some should have been postponed or stayed because of various reasons: mental capacity, inadequate counsel, etc. What he did was perfectly legal, but to my mind, it was morally reprehensible. The death penalty is a tough issue. Texas executes a lot of people. Some of those people have been proven to be innocent. Therefore, I believe it was fair for Williams to ask Perry that question. I guess that is my main point.

After going back and reading, I realized that I was mistaken about the Willingham case. The Texas Forensic Science Commission report, which concluded that the forensic evidence was interpreted falsely, wasn't released until after his execution; but before the execution, there was a report by a national arson expert which came to similar conclusions that the more extensive report would later come to (that the forensic investigation was faulty), and Perry chose to ignore that report and go ahead with the execution.

Again, Perry may have been acted in a perfectly legal manner, but it seems that, in some cases, he's unwilling to consider leniency even when evidence suggests that the person may be innocent. I don't think that's a good quality for a leader to have.

I happen to be against the death penalty....

But that being said, I can not hold against a candidate one or two social items that I disagree with...or I would never have a candidate to vote for. For example, I believe abortion is murder, but I am a strong believer in women having choice, so as a conservative, I tend to put my belief of personal responsibility ahead of my other beliefs and I will always vote in favor of abortions. Not too many candidates of my ideology beliueve as I do. I am pro gay marriage, although I am not gay. Why? Again, personal responsibility...Just as I believe it is no ones business how much money someone else makes, it is no ones business who decides to marry who. Again, not too many conservative candidates feel that way.

As for what you say about Perry and his leadership qualities...I respect you feeling that way, but I do not agree with it. Again, we do not know what other "evididence" was presented to him when he had to "confirm" the executions...or better said...not "delay" them. Furthermore, a jury was the decider and for a governor to overturn the decision of a jury is legal, yes, but not necessarily appropriate....But then again, I am against the whole "pardonoing" that takes place at athe end of a Presidents tenure.

Nope, we dont see eye to eye on this one...but once again, an interesting conversation with you.

 

[Cecilie1200]

It is justice, not vengeance. But your hyperbole is entertaining.

Call it what you want. It doesn't change the fact that we endorse government sanctioned killings of prisoners. Most of the world looks at it as barbaric and do not ask "why can't we be more like the United States?"We will gradually recognize the death penalty for what it is......biblical, eye for an eye vengeance

Then why do we have over 4 million people waiting in line to become citizens?

Because their own countries aren't asking, "Why can't we be more like the United States?"

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Guilty because you say so? Conspiracy theories? They're not conspiracy theories. The story has been in the paper along with other controversial executions that Perry chose not to stop. I could be wrong, but I doubt that Texas Tribune and the Texas Forensic Science Commission are in the conspiracy theory business.





And here's a link to the REPORT OF THE TEXAS FORENSIC SCIENCE COMMISSION on the Willingham investigation: http://www.fsc.state.tx.us/documents/FINAL.pdf

Yet no proof he was innocent.

Yeah, except for the REPORT OF THE TEXAS FORENSIC SCIENCE COMMISSION, which found that the forensic evidence in the case wasn't accurate. Keep telling yourself that.

Still no proof he was innocent.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Call it what you want. It doesn't change the fact that we endorse government sanctioned killings of prisoners. Most of the world looks at it as barbaric and do not ask "why can't we be more like the United States?"

We will gradually recognize the death penalty for what it is......biblical, eye for an eye vengeance

It's nothing more than big government at its finest.

It's always funny to me that the anti-big government babblers are anything but.

Please explain how a state government is deemed as big government.
Or are you not aware of the fact that we are against big "federal" government.

Well, actually, I'm against ANY oversized, bloated government. But usually when I talk about big government, it is indeed the federal government blocking the view of everything else with its obscenely massive, taxpayer-funded fat ass.

 

[Sallow]

This shows how idiotic liberals are. They are against killing a man convicted of capital murder, but have no problems with killing an unborn child.

It shouldn't be the governments decision in either case.

It isn't in either case Ravi... it is the people's decision.

From the same people opposed to "Direct Democracy" too..

 

[Cecilie1200]

It is justice, not vengeance. But your hyperbole is entertaining.

Call it what you want. It doesn't change the fact that we endorse government sanctioned killings of prisoners. Most of the world looks at it as barbaric and do not ask "why can't we be more like the United States?"We will gradually recognize the death penalty for what it is......biblical, eye for an eye vengeance

Furthermore....exactly how many Americans say "why cant we be more like X country"...and what country is that? And what country do you say you wish we were more like?

I hope you are now seeing how empty that statement of yours is.

There's always a bunch of retarded liberals saying, "Why can't we be more like X?" Noticeably, though, they never make any attempt to leave here and move to X, whatever X happens to be.

 

[J.E.D]

JosefK....I am curious.....exactly what is your point? Are you saying that Perry had access to infomration that may have proven the guy innocent yet he opted to ignore it and let the man die by lethal injection anyway?

Do you truly believe Perry is such a man?

Do you realize that there was likely an enormous amount of evidence against the man where the "innacuracy" of the aforementioned evidence still did not change the sentiments that the man was guilty?

I dont know this for sure...but I must assume this is the case. Perry does not come across as a man that likes to kill people.

I'm not suggesting that Perry likes to kill people. I'm sure he believes in his heart that he is doing the right thing. But the facts of the matter show that Perry chose not to postpone executions even after state boards suggested that some should have been postponed or stayed because of various reasons: mental capacity, inadequate counsel, etc. What he did was perfectly legal, but to my mind, it was morally reprehensible. The death penalty is a tough issue. Texas executes a lot of people. Some of those people have been proven to be innocent. Therefore, I believe it was fair for Williams to ask Perry that question. I guess that is my main point.

After going back and reading, I realized that I was mistaken about the Willingham case. The Texas Forensic Science Commission report, which concluded that the forensic evidence was interpreted falsely, wasn't released until after his execution; but before the execution, there was a report by a national arson expert which came to similar conclusions that the more extensive report would later come to (that the forensic investigation was faulty), and Perry chose to ignore that report and go ahead with the execution.

Again, Perry may have been acted in a perfectly legal manner, but it seems that, in some cases, he's unwilling to consider leniency even when evidence suggests that the person may be innocent. I don't think that's a good quality for a leader to have.

I happen to be against the death penalty....

But that being said, I can not hold against a candidate one or two social items that I disagree with...or I would never have a candidate to vote for. For example, I believe abortion is murder, but I am a strong believer in women having choice, so as a conservative, I tend to put my belief of personal responsibility ahead of my other beliefs and I will always vote in favor of abortions. Not too many candidates of my ideology beliueve as I do. I am pro gay marriage, although I am not gay. Why? Again, personal responsibility...Just as I believe it is no ones business how much money someone else makes, it is no ones business who decides to marry who. Again, not too many conservative candidates feel that way.

As for what you say about Perry and his leadership qualities...I respect you feeling that way, but I do not agree with it. Again, we do not know what other "evididence" was presented to him when he had to "confirm" the executions...or better said...not "delay" them. Furthermore, a jury was the decider and for a governor to overturn the decision of a jury is legal, yes, but not necessarily appropriate....But then again, I am against the whole "pardonoing" that takes place at athe end of a Presidents tenure.

Nope, we dont see eye to eye on this one...but once again, an interesting conversation with you.

Fair enough. I respect your opinion. We just don't agree. Thanks for a civil conversation.

 

[AmericanFirst]

How much has the murder rate in Texas gone down since Perry executed over 200 prisoners?

Execute more of them then. Brian williams is a typical spineless thug loving lefty.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Not going to back down bluster...I recall another Texan like that...

Texas produces good presidents, except for the one exception, the war mongering lbj.

 

[AmericanFirst]

The Death Penalty will become the next gay marriage type social issue as red states cling to their right to vengeance and Blue States phase it out

Most of the world already look at us as barbarians for our government enforced executions. We will gradually move to a point where exertions are looked at as a remnant of our sordid past

God gave man the death penalty.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The audience was friendly to start with, and while the question was loaded, or meant to be anyway, no one can produce a case of an innocent man dieing on Perry's watch.

Executed But Possibly Innocent | Death Penalty Information Center

Cameron Willingham Texas Convicted: 1992, Executed: 2004
After examining evidence from the capital prosecution of Cameron Willingham, four national arson experts have concluded that the original investigation of Willingham's case was flawed, and it is possible the fire was accidental. The independent investigation, reported by the Chicago Tribune, found that prosecutors and arson investigators used arson theories that have since been repudiated by scientific advances. Willingham was executed in 2004 in Texas despite his consistent claims of innocence. He was convicted of murdering his three children in a 1991 house fire.

An innocent man was quite possibly killed under Perry's watch.

Do you think this was why Williams asked the question?

 

[AmericanFirst]

The Death Penalty will become the next gay marriage type social issue as red states cling to their right to vengeance and Blue States phase it out

Most of the world already look at us as barbarians for our government enforced executions. We will gradually move to a point where exertions are looked at as a remnant of our sordid past

It is justice, not vengeance. But your hyperbole is entertaining.

Call it what you want. It doesn't change the fact that we endorse government sanctioned killings of prisoners. Most of the world looks at it as barbaric and do not ask "why can't we be more like the United States?"

We will gradually recognize the death penalty for what it is......biblical, eye for an eye vengeance

Wrong on all counts as usual wingdingy. Murderous thugs are given a trial and found guilty and sentenced to death and given the opportunity to appeal. But thug loving libtards like you lie and say that it is putting prisoners to death, stop lying idiot.

 

[rightwinger]

The Death Penalty will become the next gay marriage type social issue as red states cling to their right to vengeance and Blue States phase it out

Most of the world already look at us as barbarians for our government enforced executions. We will gradually move to a point where exertions are looked at as a remnant of our sordid past

God gave man the death penalty.

They gave Jesus the death penalty

 

[Skull Pilot]

It is justice, not vengeance. But your hyperbole is entertaining.

Call it what you want. It doesn't change the fact that we endorse government sanctioned killings of prisoners. Most of the world looks at it as barbaric and do not ask "why can't we be more like the United States?"

We will gradually recognize the death penalty for what it is......biblical, eye for an eye vengeance

Wrong on all counts as usual wingdingy. Murderous thugs are given a trial and found guilty and sentenced to death and given the opportunity to appeal. But thug loving libtards like you lie and say that it is putting prisoners to death, stop lying idiot.

So in your opinion not one innocent person was ever put to death?

 

[AmericanFirst]

Call it what you want. It doesn't change the fact that we endorse government sanctioned killings of prisoners. Most of the world looks at it as barbaric and do not ask "why can't we be more like the United States?"We will gradually recognize the death penalty for what it is......biblical, eye for an eye vengeance

Then why do we have over 4 million people waiting in line to become citizens?

Because it is much harder to get into most European countries.

Because they hate socialism. I have a great idea, lets trade them for our socialist loving idiots here. We will come out ahead.

 

[AmericanFirst]

It's nothing more than big government at its finest.

It's always funny to me that the anti-big government babblers are anything but.

Please explain how a state government is deemed as big government.
Or are you not aware of the fact that we are against big "federal" government.

Any overreaching power is big government, no matter if it is the fed, the state, the county, or the city.

Or obamaturd.

 

[NGSamson]

Call it what you want. It doesn't change the fact that we endorse government sanctioned killings of prisoners. Most of the world looks at it as barbaric and do not ask "why can't we be more like the United States?"We will gradually recognize the death penalty for what it is......biblical, eye for an eye vengeance

AtThen why do we have over 4 million people waiting in line to become citizens?

They come here for the death penalty? Even Mexico doesn't have a death penalty.

That depends on where you are from. If its Guatemala or a few other select country's then your life isn't worth a plug nickle. Every time a Texan, or a candidate from a death penalty state runs it is implied that an innocent person was executed. The problem is, A case is never presented.

 

[rightwinger]

It is justice, not vengeance. But your hyperbole is entertaining.

Call it what you want. It doesn't change the fact that we endorse government sanctioned killings of prisoners. Most of the world looks at it as barbaric and do not ask "why can't we be more like the United States?"

We will gradually recognize the death penalty for what it is......biblical, eye for an eye vengeance

Wrong on all counts as usual wingdingy. Murderous thugs are given a trial and found guilty and sentenced to death and given the opportunity to appeal. But thug loving libtards like you lie and say that it is putting prisoners to death, stop lying idiot.

Most of the free world has moved beyond a biblical view of eye for an eye justice. Only the US, crazy Muslim countries, China and India still use it.