Brexit Has Been a Disaster

[ShahdagMountains]

The bureaucrats in Brussels forget that the entire project of the EU needs the consent and support of every single member state, which means that countries must keep their sovereignty in key areas, or otherwise they will seek to go it alone.

It seems as if a significant part of the EU leadership has still not realised that with the 2004 expansion eastwards the rules of the game have changed.

Central and Eastern European nations have lived long enough as the periphery of Moscow’s empire, so there is not really any appetite to replicate a similar situation with Brussels playing the role of the former Soviet capital. To be clear, nobody fears that the EU will commandeer Belgian tanks and role into Budapest like the Red Army did in in 1956.

Yet imperialism does not always comes on tank-tracks, and Brussels is attempting to perfect the art of what I would call “managerial” or “bureaucratic” imperialism: It is not troops that are being deployed, but regulations or the withholding of funds – with the purpose to force the will of the bureaucratic class on the member state who happens to be the target.

Europe’s Empires don’t survive: This is something the European Commission still needs to learn

The European Union will have to decide: Does it want to give in or resist the temptation to turn into an empire? The recent actions taken by Brussels against Hungary seem to indicate the former…

brusselssignal.eu

 

[ShahdagMountains]

^ As every conqueror from Charlemagne to Napoleon to Hitler had to find out, Europe cannot be ruled as an empire. The EU would be wise not to repeat their mistakes, no matter how well intended.

 

[justoffal]

Like most populist things, Brexit has been a disaster. Populism itself is usually a disaster. Politicians tell the population what they want to hear, regardless whether or not it's true. Whenever I go to the UK, all I hear is lament that the UK left the EU.

Eight years after the referendum, it is safe to say Britain has a serious case of “Bregret.” About 65% of Brits say that, in hindsight, leaving the EU was wrong. Just 15% say the benefits have so far outweighed the costs.​

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In the years since 2016, Britain’s economy has slowed to a crawl, growing an average 1.3% versus 1.6% for the G-7 group of rich countries overall. By putting up barriers to trade and migration with its biggest trading partner, Brexit slowed trade and hurt business investment.​

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“I’m angry,” says Steve Jackson, a burly taxi driver and part-time construction worker in Boston, a town of 70,000 in eastern England. ... many people here who backed Brexit feel betrayed. Jackson said that none of the promises made by politicians who lobbied for Brexit have come true: higher wages, cheaper food and energy, more money for healthcare, and less immigration. “We’ve been lied to—lock, stock and barrel.”​

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Goldman Sachs estimates that the British economy is 5% smaller than it otherwise would have been without Brexit, ... The National Institute of Economic and Social Research, a U.K. think tank, estimated that Brexit has resulted in a lost annual income per capita of £850 (over $1,000) since 2020. ...​

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Life in Boston meanwhile hasn’t noticeably improved, he adds. “We have achieved nothing,” he says. “You learn what you already knew: That politicians are liars.”​

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“If you think about Britain’s big problems, Brexit solved none of them: the crumbling public services, weak economic growth, a shortfall of housing and a need to modernize the energy infrastructure,” says John Springford, an economist at the Centre for European Reform think tank in London.​

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Populism sucks.

Bullshit....the EU vultures were getting ready to raid the English retirement system....fuck them. Why should Greeks retire at age 50 and expect 65 year old Englishman to pay for it? No ..
Your post is deceitful and does not deal with the facts.

 

[justoffal]

The bureaucrats in Brussels forget that the entire project of the EU needs the consent and support of every single member state, which means that countries must keep their sovereignty in key areas, or otherwise they will seek to go it alone.

It seems as if a significant part of the EU leadership has still not realised that with the 2004 expansion eastwards the rules of the game have changed.

Central and Eastern European nations have lived long enough as the periphery of Moscow’s empire, so there is not really any appetite to replicate a similar situation with Brussels playing the role of the former Soviet capital. To be clear, nobody fears that the EU will commandeer Belgian tanks and role into Budapest like the Red Army did in in 1956.

Yet imperialism does not always comes on tank-tracks, and Brussels is attempting to perfect the art of what I would call “managerial” or “bureaucratic” imperialism: It is not troops that are being deployed, but regulations or the withholding of funds – with the purpose to force the will of the bureaucratic class on the member state who happens to be the target.

Europe’s Empires don’t survive: This is something the European Commission still needs to learn

The European Union will have to decide: Does it want to give in or resist the temptation to turn into an empire? The recent actions taken by Brussels against Hungary seem to indicate the former…

brusselssignal.eu

Yep .....

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Why should Greeks retire at age 50 and expect 65 year old Englishman to pay for it? No ..

Gone up to 67 now.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Yep .....

It’s a French/German show, with client states. Dreamed up by two men, a French and a German. A United States of Europe, stretching from Normandy to the Bavarian alps. Mentioned in the Paris Vaincre magazine, before most of us were born. Going back even further than that.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Thanks to the idiot Starmer.

Thanks to the clueless tories.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Thanks to the clueless tories.

What else is new? Coming from you?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Like most populist things, Brexit has been a disaster. Populism itself is usually a disaster. Politicians tell the population what they want to hear, regardless whether or not it's true. Whenever I go to the UK, all I hear is lament that the UK left the EU.

Eight years after the referendum, it is safe to say Britain has a serious case of “Bregret.” About 65% of Brits say that, in hindsight, leaving the EU was wrong. Just 15% say the benefits have so far outweighed the costs.​

​

In the years since 2016, Britain’s economy has slowed to a crawl, growing an average 1.3% versus 1.6% for the G-7 group of rich countries overall. By putting up barriers to trade and migration with its biggest trading partner, Brexit slowed trade and hurt business investment.​

​

“I’m angry,” says Steve Jackson, a burly taxi driver and part-time construction worker in Boston, a town of 70,000 in eastern England. ... many people here who backed Brexit feel betrayed. Jackson said that none of the promises made by politicians who lobbied for Brexit have come true: higher wages, cheaper food and energy, more money for healthcare, and less immigration. “We’ve been lied to—lock, stock and barrel.”​

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Goldman Sachs estimates that the British economy is 5% smaller than it otherwise would have been without Brexit, ... The National Institute of Economic and Social Research, a U.K. think tank, estimated that Brexit has resulted in a lost annual income per capita of £850 (over $1,000) since 2020. ...​

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Life in Boston meanwhile hasn’t noticeably improved, he adds. “We have achieved nothing,” he says. “You learn what you already knew: That politicians are liars.”​

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“If you think about Britain’s big problems, Brexit solved none of them: the crumbling public services, weak economic growth, a shortfall of housing and a need to modernize the energy infrastructure,” says John Springford, an economist at the Centre for European Reform think tank in London.​

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Populism sucks.

You prefer the UK become an Islamic caliphate?

 

[ShahdagMountains]

You prefer the UK become an Islamic caliphate?

Seems to be going that way.

Celebrating the Prophet’s birthday in Blackburn.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Seems to be going that way.

Celebrating the Prophet’s birthday in Blackburn.

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There you have it. The OP is clueless

 

[ShahdagMountains]

There you have it. The OP is clueless

And even here in Europe. It looked more like Istanbul than Germany. In an area l was in yesterday.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

And even here in Europe. It looked more like Istanbul than Germany. In an area l was in yesterday.

That’s how the voters want it. Now you have it.

 

[ESay]

The whole Brexit thing was built on remaining. David Cameron ran the referendum on remain, and was shocked at the outcome. Then he resigned, and the disaster that was Theresa May, also a remainer, was ushered in.

Yes, I agree with this notion. Brexit was a quite silly thing, at least for British economy. But who cares, after all? The EU project may end its existence in its current form.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

‘Brexit problem’: UK tap water safety at risk after testing labs shut down

Exclusive: EU countries will share laboratory capacity but UK rules mean products cannot be tested abroad

www.theguardian.com

This is a good example of a brexit mess. In the EU they share science and save money.
The UK walked away from that. Now we are back in the dark ages because nobody in the UK does that work.
We are approaching 3rd world status so maybe they will take pity on us soon and lend us some learning.

 

[zaangalewa]

‘Brexit problem’: UK tap water safety at risk after testing labs shut down

Exclusive: EU countries will share laboratory capacity but UK rules mean products cannot be tested abroad

www.theguardian.com

This is a good example of a brexit mess. In the EU they share science and save money.
The UK walked away from that. Now we are back in the dark ages because nobody in the UK does that work.

Keeps the problem that the late antiquity and the middle ages only in the English speaking world are called "dark".

We are approaching 3rd world status so maybe they will take pity on us soon and lend us some learning.

 

[zaangalewa]

Indeed. It is depressing.

The German economy is going down, and you’d be surprised at how many Germans want to leave the EU.

None - except left wing and right wing extremists (="Soviets" and "Nazis") who are both slaves of Putin. A man like Elon Musk (a racist or "British" South-African-US-American) for example - a global player - not poor - supports with his anti-globalist "ideas" Nazis and useful idiots of Nazis in Germany - and together with the social-darwinist Donald Trump he supports also Putin. And I'm sure men like them also had supported the Syrina tyrant whio had to flee now after he and his father in the last 50 years had nearly wiped out Syria.

 

[Picaro]

You. Bare fucking faced liar

Mayor of London, OMFG

They always neglect to mention which part of the economy 'lost 5%' or whatever, and they also fail to mention the new trade agreements coming along soon with the non-EU countries they're now free to do deals with in the absence of EU Commission handicaps.

 

[zaangalewa]

Picaro

Are you also a slave of Putin adn Trumperican who fights Europe? What's your nationality?

 

[Picaro]

Picaro

Are you also a slave of Putin?

Are you suffering from tertiary syphilis?