Brexit busted.

[Mindful]

Obama's Brexit message.


We saved your asses in WW2, now do what you are told.

what is the interest of USA in UK remaining in EU?

I think Obama's following a Leftie globalist agenda .. caring more about the viability of massive power blocs than seeing individual nations remain as independent powers. It says something for Obama's determination to see the UK remain, that he threatens the UK with a threat he personally will be unable to follow up on, and one he cannot know WILL be followed up on, as he's so near the end of his Presidency !!

Nothing but eulogising the "special relationship", Churchill and the rest of the blah blah.

And later, threatens with the back of the queue.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Brexit Poll: Leave is falling away

The latest polls show that support for leaving is falling away.

The innate good sense of the British people comes to the rescue.

The outers are all about immigration but the real issue is jobs.

They cannot answer the most basic question.

I don't know why I should care.

 

[Drummond]

Obama's Brexit message.


We saved your asses in WW2, now do what you are told.

what is the interest of USA in UK remaining in EU?

I think Obama's following a Leftie globalist agenda .. caring more about the viability of massive power blocs than seeing individual nations remain as independent powers. It says something for Obama's determination to see the UK remain, that he threatens the UK with a threat he personally will be unable to follow up on, and one he cannot know WILL be followed up on, as he's so near the end of his Presidency !!

Nothing but eulogising the "special relationship", Churchill and the rest of the blah blah.

And later, threatens with the back of the queue.

Yes - what a disgusting hypocrite.

 

[Drummond]

Brexit Poll: Leave is falling away

The latest polls show that support for leaving is falling away.

The innate good sense of the British people comes to the rescue.

The outers are all about immigration but the real issue is jobs.

They cannot answer the most basic question.

I don't know why I should care.

I'm not sure I do, either.

Are you British or American ? Obviously, the answer to 'why' would vary between the two.

If British ... well ... DO you want a foreign power encroaching more and more into the way your country is run ? Because if you're happy with that .. it means that you want a couple of dozen foreign powers deciding for you what may be best for you (we have only one vote, in those 2 dozen plus votes ...).

You may be OK with that, somehow hoping you're always going to be 'better off' if others, who are looking after THEIR interests, not yours, interfere as they choose to. And I suppose there truly IS an infintesimally small chance it'll work out that way. It's not exactly likely, though ..... and with the EU draining away much-needed funds to a greater extent than we ever gain .. over the past THIRTY TWO straight years !! .... well, what's happened so far isn't encouraging.

Do we have a right to control immigration ? If NO, then other EU citizens may take our jobs. Is that a good thing ?

Do we have a right to be OURSELVES ... with an identity all our own ? Or, over time, will we become ever-more subsumed to EU diktat from other cultures ?

Perhaps .... you 'shouldn't care'. But perhaps others of us should. Perhaps we have a right to.

As for how much longer we will have that right .... well, who knows - eh ?

 

[Mindful]

Brexit Poll: Leave is falling away

The latest polls show that support for leaving is falling away.

The innate good sense of the British people comes to the rescue.

The outers are all about immigration but the real issue is jobs.

They cannot answer the most basic question.

I don't know why I should care.

I'm not sure I do, either.

Are you British or American ? Obviously, the answer to 'why' would vary between the two.

If British ... well ... DO you want a foreign power encroaching more and more into the way your country is run ? Because if you're happy with that .. it means that you want a couple of dozen foreign powers deciding for you what may be best for you (we have only one vote, in those 2 dozen plus votes ...).

You may be OK with that, somehow hoping you're always going to be 'better off' if others, who are looking after THEIR interests, not yours, interfere as they choose to. And I suppose there truly IS an infintesimally small chance it'll work out that way. It's not exactly likely, though ..... and with the EU draining away much-needed funds to a greater extent than we ever gain .. over the past THIRTY TWO straight years !! .... well, what's happened so far isn't encouraging.

Do we have a right to control immigration ? If NO, then other EU citizens may take our jobs. Is that a good thing ?

Do we have a right to be OURSELVES ... with an identity all our own ? Or, over time, will we become ever-more subsumed to EU diktat from other cultures ?

Perhaps .... you 'shouldn't care'. But perhaps others of us should. Perhaps we have a right to.

As for how much longer we will have that right .... well, who knows - eh ?

Americans are not particularly interested in Britain.

Obama makes that more than obvious.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Brexit Poll: Leave is falling away

The latest polls show that support for leaving is falling away.

The innate good sense of the British people comes to the rescue.

The outers are all about immigration but the real issue is jobs.

They cannot answer the most basic question.

I don't know why I should care.

Most people dont care. The whole brexit nonsense has been driven by scared old people who yearn for the 50s.

 

[Drummond]

Brexit Poll: Leave is falling away

The latest polls show that support for leaving is falling away.

The innate good sense of the British people comes to the rescue.

The outers are all about immigration but the real issue is jobs.

They cannot answer the most basic question.

I don't know why I should care.

Most people dont care. The whole brexit nonsense has been driven by scared old people who yearn for the 50s.

I don't believe that for a second. Bear in mind that the Conservative promise to hold a Referendum might well have finally won them their last election victory. Do you know that it didn't ?? Maybe the Conservatives you have such a dislike for, might've lost had they not made that promise ?

People DO care about immigration, and everyone knows we cannot get full control of our own borders until we're shot of the EU .. the EU absolutely insists on porous borders for all EU Member States .. regardless of country or more 'local' concerns being expressed.

Even you must agree that there's a remarkably even split between the 'pro' and 'anti' camps on this issue. Nobody possessing creditable authority to judge, is confidently predicting a victory for either side, as of now, are they ? So ... people DO care. You might wish otherwise, but then, that's just your own wish.

So tell me,what's your ideal ? That we march on to a future where no part of the present-day UK can be said to be self-governing ? That we take our orders from foreigners, laws from them, diktats from them, we pay more to them than we ever receive in return (as we have done, for decades !) ... we can forget ever controlling our borders .. because we cannot even control our own destiny ??

You've indicated you want an independent Wales (which is NOT on the cards for the foreseeable future), EXCEPT, you'd rather it wasn't independent from the EU. Therefore, you don't want independence ... at all ... just to choose a new set of 'overseeing masters' governing Wales.

And you want them, as an alternative to the UK electorate's own voting preference .... something you'd see overruled, even though Welsh people themselves took part in that process ....

Well, I say NO. Let the UK be, finally, fully self-governing. Let it determine its own fate !!! Is that really so terrible ???

 

[Tommy Tainant]

What cant the UK do now that it will do out of the EU ?

The UK parliament sets taxes and laws for the UK. Which EU "law" dont you like ?
You wont be able to control your borders if you want to trade with the EU.
You will increase unemployment and reduce investment in technology.
Its a grim prospect.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Brexit Poll: Leave is falling away

The latest polls show that support for leaving is falling away.

The innate good sense of the British people comes to the rescue.

The outers are all about immigration but the real issue is jobs.

They cannot answer the most basic question.

I don't know why I should care.

I'm not sure I do, either.

Are you British or American ? Obviously, the answer to 'why' would vary between the two.

If British ... well ... DO you want a foreign power encroaching more and more into the way your country is run ? Because if you're happy with that .. it means that you want a couple of dozen foreign powers deciding for you what may be best for you (we have only one vote, in those 2 dozen plus votes ...).

You may be OK with that, somehow hoping you're always going to be 'better off' if others, who are looking after THEIR interests, not yours, interfere as they choose to. And I suppose there truly IS an infintesimally small chance it'll work out that way. It's not exactly likely, though ..... and with the EU draining away much-needed funds to a greater extent than we ever gain .. over the past THIRTY TWO straight years !! .... well, what's happened so far isn't encouraging.

Do we have a right to control immigration ? If NO, then other EU citizens may take our jobs. Is that a good thing ?

Do we have a right to be OURSELVES ... with an identity all our own ? Or, over time, will we become ever-more subsumed to EU diktat from other cultures ?

Perhaps .... you 'shouldn't care'. But perhaps others of us should. Perhaps we have a right to.

As for how much longer we will have that right .... well, who knows - eh ?

Americans are not particularly interested in Britain.

Obama makes that more than obvious.

Why should we be concerned with Britan....tea?

 

[Mindful]

Brexit Poll: Leave is falling away

The latest polls show that support for leaving is falling away.

The innate good sense of the British people comes to the rescue.

The outers are all about immigration but the real issue is jobs.

They cannot answer the most basic question.

I don't know why I should care.

I'm not sure I do, either.

Are you British or American ? Obviously, the answer to 'why' would vary between the two.

If British ... well ... DO you want a foreign power encroaching more and more into the way your country is run ? Because if you're happy with that .. it means that you want a couple of dozen foreign powers deciding for you what may be best for you (we have only one vote, in those 2 dozen plus votes ...).

You may be OK with that, somehow hoping you're always going to be 'better off' if others, who are looking after THEIR interests, not yours, interfere as they choose to. And I suppose there truly IS an infintesimally small chance it'll work out that way. It's not exactly likely, though ..... and with the EU draining away much-needed funds to a greater extent than we ever gain .. over the past THIRTY TWO straight years !! .... well, what's happened so far isn't encouraging.

Do we have a right to control immigration ? If NO, then other EU citizens may take our jobs. Is that a good thing ?

Do we have a right to be OURSELVES ... with an identity all our own ? Or, over time, will we become ever-more subsumed to EU diktat from other cultures ?

Perhaps .... you 'shouldn't care'. But perhaps others of us should. Perhaps we have a right to.

As for how much longer we will have that right .... well, who knows - eh ?

Americans are not particularly interested in Britain.

Obama makes that more than obvious.

Why should we be concerned with Britan....tea?

Did anyone say you should?

Tea comes from India.

 

[Phoenall]

Brexit Poll: Leave is falling away

The latest polls show that support for leaving is falling away.

The innate good sense of the British people comes to the rescue.

The outers are all about immigration but the real issue is jobs.

They cannot answer the most basic question.

I don't know why I should care.

Most people dont care. The whole brexit nonsense has been driven by scared old people who yearn for the 50s.

No it is run by people who can see the problems with uncontrolled immigration an multiculturalism. We see the feckless who don't want to work live off the sweat f those who do work, and complain when they are told to pay something back. We see the immigrants flooding the land and leaving trails of filth behind demanding money with threats We see the champagne socialists living the good life demanding we give up more to support those less able than us. We see the mass rapes of children by foreign invaders, the increasing crime rates and the lowering of standards in our hospitals.

That is what we see and don't like it, so getting out of the EU will lead to all this stopping and you having to get a proper Job.

 

[Phoenall]

What cant the UK do now that it will do out of the EU ?

The UK parliament sets taxes and laws for the UK. Which EU "law" dont you like ?
You wont be able to control your borders if you want to trade with the EU.
You will increase unemployment and reduce investment in technology.
Its a grim prospect.

It cant control its borders

It cant deport criminals

it cant set its own level of vat

it cant grow certain plants

it cant set its own laws if they go against the EU

WE WILL BE ABLE TO CONTROL OUR BORDERS AS THE EU HAVE MORE TO LOSE THAN WE DO

WE WILL ONLY INCREASE UNEMPLOYMENT AMONGST IMMIGRANTS AS WE EILL DICTATE WHO WORKS AND NOT THE EU

ONLY FOR THE EU AND THE WORKSHY WHO WILL LOSE ALL THAT MONEY THEY HAVE NEVER EARNED.


THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SCARED OF, LOSING YOUR SEAT ON THE WELFARE GRAVY TRAIN

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The Uk sets its own laws.In fact different parts of the UK have different laws. Its the same all over Europe.
We set our own taxes,just like the rest of Europe.
Our levels of immigration will not change or we will not get a proper trade deal with the EU.
Brexit will hasten the break up of the UK because the Scots will go straight away and the Welsh will go within a decade.
The Celtic nations will join the EU and take all the investment that England would have got.

It cant control its borders
There will be no change on this.
It cant deport criminals
Yes it can.It happens every day.
it cant set its own level of vat
Yes it can. It was changed a couple of years ago and is always under review.
it cant grow certain plants
???????????????? Oh the horror !
it cant set its own laws if they go against the EU
Yes they can. What specific law do you mean ?
WE WILL BE ABLE TO CONTROL OUR BORDERS AS THE EU HAVE MORE TO LOSE THAN WE DO
I doubt it. See previous answer.
WE WILL ONLY INCREASE UNEMPLOYMENT AMONGST IMMIGRANTS AS WE EILL DICTATE WHO WORKS AND NOT THE EU
Classic brexit bullshit. You claim they are only coming for the benefits but er lets put them out of work. Muppet.
ONLY FOR THE EU AND THE WORKSHY WHO WILL LOSE ALL THAT MONEY THEY HAVE NEVER EARNED.
This needs to be translated as it makes no sense.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Brexit Poll: Leave is falling away

The latest polls show that support for leaving is falling away.

The innate good sense of the British people comes to the rescue.

The outers are all about immigration but the real issue is jobs.

They cannot answer the most basic question.

I don't know why I should care.

Most people dont care. The whole brexit nonsense has been driven by scared old people who yearn for the 50s.

No it is run by people who can see the problems with uncontrolled immigration an multiculturalism. We see the feckless who don't want to work live off the sweat f those who do work, and complain when they are told to pay something back. We see the immigrants flooding the land and leaving trails of filth behind demanding money with threats We see the champagne socialists living the good life demanding we give up more to support those less able than us. We see the mass rapes of children by foreign invaders, the increasing crime rates and the lowering of standards in our hospitals.

That is what we see and don't like it, so getting out of the EU will lead to all this stopping and you having to get a proper Job.

Right on cue.

 

[Drummond]

What cant the UK do now that it will do out of the EU ?

The UK parliament sets taxes and laws for the UK. Which EU "law" dont you like ?
You wont be able to control your borders if you want to trade with the EU.
You will increase unemployment and reduce investment in technology.
Its a grim prospect.

Answer: run its own affairs, without Europe forever looking over its shoulder to see if they can, or want to, apply a veto over what we decide to do !!

The UK Parliament (which you are no fan of ?) ... does set its own taxes, and yes, it can set its own laws. What you omit to say is that if a UK law is proposed which violates EU law, EU LAW OVERRIDES IT .. so, whatever 'freedom' of that kind we have, it's curtailed by EU authority over us. Basically, this amounts to a 'do as you like, so long as you never actually defy us' mandate.

Your claim that the UK will be unable to control its own borders if trade with the EU continues, is obviously nonsense. Will European companies fight pitched battles with border control officials ? Will they actively smuggle illegal immigrants across the Channel ? Or will they just send people to invade the Houses of Parliament, the moment we try to pass restrictive legislation, to disrupt such proceedings ?

No, that's rubbish. Get shot of the EU, and we immediately regain full legislative and practical control over our borders. If we don't, then the EU tells us that we MUST accept its citizens, unless we can muster a very good reason to reject any of them ... on a case-by-case basis, of course ....

You say we'll increase unemployment. Really ? Well, how about ... UK CITIZENS getting the jobs that the EU lot would otherwise grab ?? Your argument might make a form of sense if one assumes that the EU is the only market out there, the only source of business existing in the world .. but of course, it isn't. Far from it ! We will be expanding our trade and business opportunities, once we're free of EU restrictions .. in the longer term, we are bound to know increased prosperity and an increased influx of business interest from those who'd rather deal with us, not the restrictive bureaucratic nightmare that the EU offers them.

You mention technology. I'm not aware that the EU offers superior technologies and opportunities to, say, Silicon Valley ? Since when were the EU as a whole world leaders in that field ? Everyone knows that America and Japan are better, more innovative sources !!

Back to the 'what EU law don't you like' point ... well, the very fact of EU citizen migrant freedoms is an obvious choice. But also try this, a disturbing aspect of that problem:

UK benefits test 'breaches EU law'

It's an example of a clash between UK and EU laws, with the EU wishing to strenuously challenge us ...

A UK "right to reside" test on EU nationals based in the country is a breach of EU law, the European Commission warned today.

Brussels threatened it will take legal action unless the test - which determines who qualifies for specific social security benefits - is dropped.

A Commission statement said the Government has two months to advise Brussels what it is doing to bring domestic social security rules in line with EU requirements.

"Otherwise, the Commission may decide to refer the UK to the EU's Court of Justice," said a statement.

Conservative MEP Julie Girling slammed the move as an interference by "unelected bureaucrats" in UK domestic policy.

Ms Girling, the Tory spokesman on employment and social affairs in the European Parliament, went on: "British taxpayers will want to know why their hard-earned money should now be directed straight into the pockets of any EU national who chooses to come here and make a claim.

"This can only lead to a boom in benefits tourism. And with our generous system, Britain will be destination of choice."

I'll just ask you outright ... how ON EARTH isn't this a totally unfair imposition on the British taxpayer ... to say nothing of an incentive for EU nationals to come over here and sponge off of us ??

 

[Drummond]

The Uk sets its own laws.In fact different parts of the UK have different laws. Its the same all over Europe.
We set our own taxes,just like the rest of Europe.
Our levels of immigration will not change or we will not get a proper trade deal with the EU.
Brexit will hasten the break up of the UK because the Scots will go straight away and the Welsh will go within a decade.
The Celtic nations will join the EU and take all the investment that England would have got.

It cant control its borders
There will be no change on this.
It cant deport criminals
Yes it can.It happens every day.
it cant set its own level of vat
Yes it can. It was changed a couple of years ago and is always under review.
it cant grow certain plants
???????????????? Oh the horror !
it cant set its own laws if they go against the EU
Yes they can. What specific law do you mean ?
WE WILL BE ABLE TO CONTROL OUR BORDERS AS THE EU HAVE MORE TO LOSE THAN WE DO
I doubt it. See previous answer.
WE WILL ONLY INCREASE UNEMPLOYMENT AMONGST IMMIGRANTS AS WE EILL DICTATE WHO WORKS AND NOT THE EU
Classic brexit bullshit. You claim they are only coming for the benefits but er lets put them out of work. Muppet.
ONLY FOR THE EU AND THE WORKSHY WHO WILL LOSE ALL THAT MONEY THEY HAVE NEVER EARNED.
This needs to be translated as it makes no sense.

I think I've answered some of this already ? The UK can set its own laws, but ONLY if they don't clash with EU law. In the event of such a clash, EU law overrides !

We do NOT have control over our borders, as current members of the EU. Everybody knows this. Cameron made the rash promise, just a couple of years ago, to slash immigration to just tens of thousands. He's been utterly unable to keep that promise, because .. HE CANNOT.

The only chance we have of fixing that injustice is to leave the EU, and the quicker the better.

Oh, and ... I repeat an earlier comment of mine. Wales becoming an independent nation of its own (which isn't at all likely) would immediately sell that independence down the river if it then negotiated its own EU membership deal. The whole point of the EU, these days, IS to tie member States to it, legally, financially, in every power-based way possible. If you argue for any tie with the EU, you argue for Wales saying goodbye to its future (if it ever had one, or could ..) as its own nation.

 

[Drummond]

Here's an example of why businesses have preferred to NOT get tangled up with the EU ....

Brussels bureaucracy wastes €40 billion a year

The European Commission is about to launch measures to curb excessive bureaucracy in the EU that costs billions of euros a year. Businesses complain they spend too much time fighting red tape.

Yard workers shout instructions as a crate is loaded into the van by a forklift truck. Activity on this September morning is brisk even despite the recession, but freight company director Christian Dupuy has another worry on his mind: European red tape.

A self-made entrepreneur in Strasbourg, France, Mr Dupuy has big plans to expand his business, but like thousands like him, he says he is often held back by EU rules.

“There are lots of directives which are hard for us to put into practice,” he says. Keen to make his business more environmentally-friendly, Mr Durpuy wanted to take advantage of subsidies for a new EU green scheme to transfer road freight on to rails.

“But there’s no one to ask and when we got the paperwork, we found it was only in English. So we’ve had to stump up the cash to translate this document, which for many other small companies would be impossible,” he says.

In the end, the conditions were “impossible to meet”, as he found out after many phone calls: “We always have to dial many, many numbers to find someone who might be able to help. It’s the survival of the fittest.”

Christian Dupuy’s frustrations are all too common and feed into a multi-billion-euro problem. The European Commission’s anti-red tape tsar, Edmund Stoiber, says up to €40 billion is being wasted every year in the EU by excessive business rules and he is about to unveil a package of measures to simplify them. The EU has 80,000 pages of laws, many of which Mr Stoiber says are not needed, and he wants to scrap directives that complicate administration and safety rules for companies ranging from bakeries to farms. “The problem is that we’ve created a good internal market but lots of administrative burdens to go with it. It will be a big challenge to push these proposals through but it’s essential we do it,” says Wim van de Camp, a Dutch Christian Democrat MEP (CDA).

So, we see that the EU has acknowledged the mammoth task involved in reforming itself, so that it may become far more business-friendly !! To anyone suggesting that jobs will be lost if we pull out of the EU, I ask ... how many have already been lost, thanks to EU bureaucratic control-freakery ???

Getting out of the EU would remove such a weight from businesses dealing with us ... at a stroke.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

What cant the UK do now that it will do out of the EU ?

The UK parliament sets taxes and laws for the UK. Which EU "law" dont you like ?
You wont be able to control your borders if you want to trade with the EU.
You will increase unemployment and reduce investment in technology.
Its a grim prospect.

Answer: run its own affairs, without Europe forever looking over its shoulder to see if they can, or want to, apply a veto over what we decide to do !!

The UK Parliament (which you are no fan of ?) ... does set its own taxes, and yes, it can set its own laws. What you omit to say is that if a UK law is proposed which violates EU law, EU LAW OVERRIDES IT .. so, whatever 'freedom' of that kind we have, it's curtailed by EU authority over us. Basically, this amounts to a 'do as you like, so long as you never actually defy us' mandate.

Your claim that the UK will be unable to control its own borders if trade with the EU continues, is obviously nonsense. Will European companies fight pitched battles with border control officials ? Will they actively smuggle illegal immigrants across the Channel ? Or will they just send people to invade the Houses of Parliament, the moment we try to pass restrictive legislation, to disrupt such proceedings ?

No, that's rubbish. Get shot of the EU, and we immediately regain full legislative and practical control over our borders. If we don't, then the EU tells us that we MUST accept its citizens, unless we can muster a very good reason to reject any of them ... on a case-by-case basis, of course ....

You say we'll increase unemployment. Really ? Well, how about ... UK CITIZENS getting the jobs that the EU lot would otherwise grab ?? Your argument might make a form of sense if one assumes that the EU is the only market out there, the only source of business existing in the world .. but of course, it isn't. Far from it ! We will be expanding our trade and business opportunities, once we're free of EU restrictions .. in the longer term, we are bound to know increased prosperity and an increased influx of business interest from those who'd rather deal with us, not the restrictive bureaucratic nightmare that the EU offers them.

You mention technology. I'm not aware that the EU offers superior technologies and opportunities to, say, Silicon Valley ? Since when were the EU as a whole world leaders in that field ? Everyone knows that America and Japan are better, more innovative sources !!

Back to the 'what EU law don't you like' point ... well, the very fact of EU citizen migrant freedoms is an obvious choice. But also try this, a disturbing aspect of that problem:

UK benefits test 'breaches EU law'

It's an example of a clash between UK and EU laws, with the EU wishing to strenuously challenge us ...

A UK "right to reside" test on EU nationals based in the country is a breach of EU law, the European Commission warned today.

Brussels threatened it will take legal action unless the test - which determines who qualifies for specific social security benefits - is dropped.

A Commission statement said the Government has two months to advise Brussels what it is doing to bring domestic social security rules in line with EU requirements.

"Otherwise, the Commission may decide to refer the UK to the EU's Court of Justice," said a statement.

Conservative MEP Julie Girling slammed the move as an interference by "unelected bureaucrats" in UK domestic policy.

Ms Girling, the Tory spokesman on employment and social affairs in the European Parliament, went on: "British taxpayers will want to know why their hard-earned money should now be directed straight into the pockets of any EU national who chooses to come here and make a claim.

"This can only lead to a boom in benefits tourism. And with our generous system, Britain will be destination of choice."

I'll just ask you outright ... how ON EARTH isn't this a totally unfair imposition on the British taxpayer ... to say nothing of an incentive for EU nationals to come over here and sponge off of us ??

There are more British ex pats claiming benefits in Europe than there are Europeans claiming benefits here. All major studies show that European migrants make a positive contribution to our economy. Where is the problem ?

And while we are at it what will happen to ex pats working in Europe when we decide to kick out all the Europeans ? Do you think that the EU will allow you to do that without retaliation ?

You havent thought this through.

 

[Drummond]

What cant the UK do now that it will do out of the EU ?

The UK parliament sets taxes and laws for the UK. Which EU "law" dont you like ?
You wont be able to control your borders if you want to trade with the EU.
You will increase unemployment and reduce investment in technology.
Its a grim prospect.

Answer: run its own affairs, without Europe forever looking over its shoulder to see if they can, or want to, apply a veto over what we decide to do !!

The UK Parliament (which you are no fan of ?) ... does set its own taxes, and yes, it can set its own laws. What you omit to say is that if a UK law is proposed which violates EU law, EU LAW OVERRIDES IT .. so, whatever 'freedom' of that kind we have, it's curtailed by EU authority over us. Basically, this amounts to a 'do as you like, so long as you never actually defy us' mandate.

Your claim that the UK will be unable to control its own borders if trade with the EU continues, is obviously nonsense. Will European companies fight pitched battles with border control officials ? Will they actively smuggle illegal immigrants across the Channel ? Or will they just send people to invade the Houses of Parliament, the moment we try to pass restrictive legislation, to disrupt such proceedings ?

No, that's rubbish. Get shot of the EU, and we immediately regain full legislative and practical control over our borders. If we don't, then the EU tells us that we MUST accept its citizens, unless we can muster a very good reason to reject any of them ... on a case-by-case basis, of course ....

You say we'll increase unemployment. Really ? Well, how about ... UK CITIZENS getting the jobs that the EU lot would otherwise grab ?? Your argument might make a form of sense if one assumes that the EU is the only market out there, the only source of business existing in the world .. but of course, it isn't. Far from it ! We will be expanding our trade and business opportunities, once we're free of EU restrictions .. in the longer term, we are bound to know increased prosperity and an increased influx of business interest from those who'd rather deal with us, not the restrictive bureaucratic nightmare that the EU offers them.

You mention technology. I'm not aware that the EU offers superior technologies and opportunities to, say, Silicon Valley ? Since when were the EU as a whole world leaders in that field ? Everyone knows that America and Japan are better, more innovative sources !!

Back to the 'what EU law don't you like' point ... well, the very fact of EU citizen migrant freedoms is an obvious choice. But also try this, a disturbing aspect of that problem:

UK benefits test 'breaches EU law'

It's an example of a clash between UK and EU laws, with the EU wishing to strenuously challenge us ...

A UK "right to reside" test on EU nationals based in the country is a breach of EU law, the European Commission warned today.

Brussels threatened it will take legal action unless the test - which determines who qualifies for specific social security benefits - is dropped.

A Commission statement said the Government has two months to advise Brussels what it is doing to bring domestic social security rules in line with EU requirements.

"Otherwise, the Commission may decide to refer the UK to the EU's Court of Justice," said a statement.

Conservative MEP Julie Girling slammed the move as an interference by "unelected bureaucrats" in UK domestic policy.

Ms Girling, the Tory spokesman on employment and social affairs in the European Parliament, went on: "British taxpayers will want to know why their hard-earned money should now be directed straight into the pockets of any EU national who chooses to come here and make a claim.

"This can only lead to a boom in benefits tourism. And with our generous system, Britain will be destination of choice."

I'll just ask you outright ... how ON EARTH isn't this a totally unfair imposition on the British taxpayer ... to say nothing of an incentive for EU nationals to come over here and sponge off of us ??

There are more British ex pats claiming benefits in Europe than there are Europeans claiming benefits here. All major studies show that European migrants make a positive contribution to our economy. Where is the problem ?

And while we are at it what will happen to ex pats working in Europe when we decide to kick out all the Europeans ? Do you think that the EU will allow you to do that without retaliation ?

You havent thought this through.

Do those ex-pats claim benefits as easily, I wonder ? Are those benefits as generous as those offered by the UK ? Somehow, I doubt it ...

Besides ... sweepingly judgemental though this is ... I might ask if two wrongs necessarily make a 'right' .. ?

European migrants may work here (.. those that do). They nonetheless have to be catered for - they need housing, they need any or all of the social services the UK State provides for its indigenous people. Without their being here, none of that would be necessary, and jobs available would go to our OWN people.

Those coming here and relying on benefits are people who've not 'paid into the pot' as the 'locals' have, over years and decades. But, new migrants have their opportunity to take from that 'pot' they've NOT paid into. Is that right ... given that the EU doesn't like our efforts to inject some level of fairness into the process, and challenges those efforts !!!!

As for your 'EU retaliation' point ... yes, please, do expand on that ! What do you think the EU (those people you want us to think kindly of !) would like to threaten us with ?? Give us all the detail you can ......

 

[Tommy Tainant]

It will vary from country to country.
Revealed: thousands of Britons on benefits across EU
The point is that any supposed benefit to the UK is immediately cancelled out.
In fact you would be making the situation worse.Immigrants benefit our economy.
Positive economic impact of UK immigration from the European Union: new evidence