Brexit busted.

[Tommy Tainant]

Ooooooerrrrrrr. Not really a sensible threat to issue right now.

EU's latest THREAT: Do as we say over migrant quotas or you’ll lose your funding
EASTERN European countries who refuse to take in refugees face losing billions of pounds in European Union (EU) funding, a top Eurocrat has warned.

EU's latest THREAT: Do as we say over migrant quotas or you’ll lose your funding

This, of course, concerns 'refugees' who can't possibly have been adequately checked out beforehand. The sheer numbers involved argues for that ... as does the war-torn conditions of the region they've come from.

It seems that the EU has far less concern for its members' security concerns, and far more for dictating 'PC' imperatives of its own invention. An example of sheer power-dictatorship overriding the fundamental interests of individual nations.

But the UK didn't have to let in refugees. It did, and it was the UK GOVERNMENT that decided this.

So, what's this got to do with the EU?

You are applying common sense to an emotional argument. The two arent going to mix.

This is the Brexit case.

1. We leave the EU.
2. We kick out everybody we dont want here and close our borders.
3. Nobody takes reciprocal action because.......we are British.
4. We set up new trade agreements with the EU on as good terms as we had when we were in it - with no downside.
We wont have to pay tarrifs,we wont have to agree to join Schengen and we definately wont have to let in any bloody foreigners...........becasue we are British.
5. Meanwhile our wily British businessmen are exploiting new markets that have never existed before to make up a supposed shortfall in exports that wont exist anyway because we are................British.

What could go wrong ?

 

[Drummond]

Ooooooerrrrrrr. Not really a sensible threat to issue right now.

EU's latest THREAT: Do as we say over migrant quotas or you’ll lose your funding
EASTERN European countries who refuse to take in refugees face losing billions of pounds in European Union (EU) funding, a top Eurocrat has warned.

EU's latest THREAT: Do as we say over migrant quotas or you’ll lose your funding

This, of course, concerns 'refugees' who can't possibly have been adequately checked out beforehand. The sheer numbers involved argues for that ... as does the war-torn conditions of the region they've come from.

It seems that the EU has far less concern for its members' security concerns, and far more for dictating 'PC' imperatives of its own invention. An example of sheer power-dictatorship overriding the fundamental interests of individual nations.

But the UK didn't have to let in refugees. It did, and it was the UK GOVERNMENT that decided this.

So, what's this got to do with the EU?

In fact, it's been our own Government's position that they'll take refuges known to originate from Syrian camps. Needless to say, this has brought them much disapproval, regardless of the fact that it's an eminently sensible approach.

But we see already how the EU reacts to powers which try to limit their 'quota' 'obligations'. Their reaction should be highly instructive .. one of a power seeking to dictate to its Member States ......

 

[Drummond]

Ooooooerrrrrrr. Not really a sensible threat to issue right now.

EU's latest THREAT: Do as we say over migrant quotas or you’ll lose your funding
EASTERN European countries who refuse to take in refugees face losing billions of pounds in European Union (EU) funding, a top Eurocrat has warned.

EU's latest THREAT: Do as we say over migrant quotas or you’ll lose your funding

This, of course, concerns 'refugees' who can't possibly have been adequately checked out beforehand. The sheer numbers involved argues for that ... as does the war-torn conditions of the region they've come from.

It seems that the EU has far less concern for its members' security concerns, and far more for dictating 'PC' imperatives of its own invention. An example of sheer power-dictatorship overriding the fundamental interests of individual nations.

But the UK didn't have to let in refugees. It did, and it was the UK GOVERNMENT that decided this.

So, what's this got to do with the EU?

You are applying common sense to an emotional argument. The two arent going to mix.

This is the Brexit case.

1. We leave the EU.
2. We kick out everybody we dont want here and close our borders.
3. Nobody takes reciprocal action because.......we are British.
4. We set up new trade agreements with the EU on as good terms as we had when we were in it - with no downside.
We wont have to pay tarrifs,we wont have to agree to join Schengen and we definately wont have to let in any bloody foreigners...........becasue we are British.
5. Meanwhile our wily British businessmen are exploiting new markets that have never existed before to make up a supposed shortfall in exports that wont exist anyway because we are................British.

What could go wrong ?

What could go wrong, you say ? Well ...

1. The Brexit case could fail, and we remain within the EU, resigned to perpetual dictatorship from a foreign power ...

2. If we do leave, the true nature of the Brexit opposition becomes apparent. Tariffs are insisted upon, regardless - and we see just how dictatorial and actually spiteful, the Brexit opposition has always been.

However, at least if we do leave, our own people will have sufficient freedom to choose to accept those tariffs, or to not do so. We will be free, as we are NOT right now, to seek other trade agreements with other nations .. and to get them.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Ooooooerrrrrrr. Not really a sensible threat to issue right now.

EU's latest THREAT: Do as we say over migrant quotas or you’ll lose your funding
EASTERN European countries who refuse to take in refugees face losing billions of pounds in European Union (EU) funding, a top Eurocrat has warned.

EU's latest THREAT: Do as we say over migrant quotas or you’ll lose your funding

This, of course, concerns 'refugees' who can't possibly have been adequately checked out beforehand. The sheer numbers involved argues for that ... as does the war-torn conditions of the region they've come from.

It seems that the EU has far less concern for its members' security concerns, and far more for dictating 'PC' imperatives of its own invention. An example of sheer power-dictatorship overriding the fundamental interests of individual nations.

But the UK didn't have to let in refugees. It did, and it was the UK GOVERNMENT that decided this.

So, what's this got to do with the EU?

You are applying common sense to an emotional argument. The two arent going to mix.

This is the Brexit case.

1. We leave the EU.
2. We kick out everybody we dont want here and close our borders.
3. Nobody takes reciprocal action because.......we are British.
4. We set up new trade agreements with the EU on as good terms as we had when we were in it - with no downside.
We wont have to pay tarrifs,we wont have to agree to join Schengen and we definately wont have to let in any bloody foreigners...........becasue we are British.
5. Meanwhile our wily British businessmen are exploiting new markets that have never existed before to make up a supposed shortfall in exports that wont exist anyway because we are................British.

What could go wrong ?

What could go wrong, you say ? Well ...

1. The Brexit case could fail, and we remain within the EU, resigned to perpetual dictatorship from a foreign power ...

2. If we do leave, the true nature of the Brexit opposition becomes apparent. Tariffs are insisted upon, regardless - and we see just how dictatorial and actually spiteful, the Brexit opposition has always been.

However, at least if we do leave, our own people will have sufficient freedom to choose to accept those tariffs, or to not do so. We will be free, as we are NOT right now, to seek other trade agreements with other nations .. and to get them.

Emotional twaddle. You talk as if the EU is some superstate. It isnt. Every country in the EU has different laws and taxation systems. Every country in the UK has different laws. What more do you want ?

Oh yes, I forgot. You just want to kick out the foreigners.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

This is a great example of how the Kippers do nothing apart from pick up their expenses.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Just think. To regain 50% (or thereabouts) of, yes, actual CONTROL over our OWN borders !!! The day we manage that would surely be a day of celebration ... yes ?

Well, it could be less than a month away ! Prepare the champagne .....

Does the UK not have control over its own borders?

Come off it? The UK is not in the Schengen Agreement.

Norway and Switzerland are. The UK could join if it left the EU.

Limited control, yes. Leaving the EU would substantially enhance that control, however.

Here's an example of why it matters - why the current situation is not only 'far from ideal', but actually has wide-ranging security implications ...

Britain part of group of EU countries pushing for firmer border controls over Isil threat

Britain and seven EU countries will push for European Union to restrict free movement rights at Europe's borders over jihadist threat, confidential document reveals.

Officials estimate that there are up to 3,000 "foreign fighters" who are Europeans in Syria and Iraq who benefit from EU free movement rights that allow them to return from conflict zones without border checks.

The EU's open border regime is nothing short of absolute madness. Quite apart from the 'immigration numbers' argument (highly valid in its own right), the EU's immovability over what it's pleased to call a 'foundling principle' - in defiance of sheer commonsense ! - is something that'll give us all an immense security headache for years, possibly decades, ahead.

Again -- the sooner we can get shot of these EU nutters, the better ....

Well it could, but doesn't mean it will increase that control. Seeing as a lot of people are still entering the UK from OUTSIDE of the EU.

Also, it causes a problem. The UK exports old people abroad, and imports workers to the UK, if that were to change, then what? A lot of people living in the UK who aren't working any more. Doesn't exactly help, does it?

What happens if the UK government decides it has to join the Schengen Agreement? Then what?

So, the UK is pushing for tighter border controls WITHIN the EU. So why does it need to leave? Just push for tighter border controls.

No, the EU's open border situation isn't madness. What is madness is when different countries can let in whoever they like and then move them on straight away. If the EU is going to have open borders, those borders need to be much tighter with non-EU countries.

Your first point is surely disingenuous ? Yes, a lot of people are entering the UK from outside the EU, but that particular issue is as much a part of our control as we choose it to be, whereas .. in the case of EU citizens coming over here, they have a right to do so, sanctioned NOT exclusively by us, but instead by the EU - acting on its own authority, NOT ours.

Your second point is simplistic. We don't 'export' old people ... such people choose to move. We import 'workers' to the UK, but this is far from controllable by our own authorities, which is, after all, the point !! And these 'workers' ... do they take jobs that our own, UK-based people, could otherwise take on ?

How many of our own citizens are denied employment opportunities that these others take instead ?

You say 'What happens if the UK government decides it has to join the Schengen Agreement?'. Kindly clarify. By 'has to', are you saying we will have this dictated to us, or, be otherwise FORCED to take it on ? Surely, the central reason for getting shot of the EU is for us to gain the freedom to govern our own affairs, as WE see fit ? Are you saying that European influences will be brought to bear to still deny us our freedoms ?

You say 'So, the UK is pushing for tighter border controls WITHIN the EU. So why does it need to leave? Just push for tighter border controls.'

Such a 'push' would of itself guarantee ... NOTHING. Such controls would be conferred to us .. we'd have no direct means of ensuring they were brought in. The UK vote is very much a minority compared with all those other EU Member States.

Self-determination is what the Brexit side is fighting for, and stands for. Denying us this is what its opposition is all about.

You think I'm not being honest?

Yes, the immigration from outside the EU is in our control, and it seems the people aren't happy with how we wield that control. And yet somehow think that by leaving the EU our problems with immigration will be solved. How? The UK govt isn't, apparently according to the Brexit people, dealing with this outside EU immigration problem, but leaving the EU will mean they will suddenly be dealing with the EU citizens better than they're dealing with the non-EU citizens.

I don't get it.

Maybe simplistic, but I don't think I need to explain the whole thing in immense detail to you, do I?

People who are "denied employment opportunities" are generally people who haven't been trained well enough, or are too inefficient or something.

This whole issue isn't one about immigration, it's one about EDUCATION.

Now, it's funny, Sol Campbell came out and said we should leave the EU to have British kids playing more. His answer wasn't "let's train British kids properly like the Germans and Spanish do", no, it was "let's leave the EU and somehow these kids will play better because.... because.... the competition they're up against will be weakened and they won't be better trained." Do you see the logic in that argument? Same with the employment situation in general. If a Pole can go to the UK and get a job, earn less money and do a better job, then you have to ask what the hell the problem is with British workers.

The clarification for joining the Schengen Agreement is this.

Firstly, the Brexit people used to say "we could have the Norway option", that was their massively amazing way of saying "we have no fucking clue", but Norway is in the Schengen Agreement.

Secondly, the Brexit people have suggested that trade won't be diminished because we'll just pull some amazing special deal out of our arse. The reality is, if you listen to businessmen like Alan Sugar who has spent a lot of time dealing with EU trade, if you want better trade (which means more money for British businesses) is to have easy access. This easy access, as the Swiss and the Norwegians will tell you, can come from the Schengen Agreement.

Thirdly, the govt in charge of the UK is the Tory Party, Cameron would be open to joining the Schengen Agreement, the Labour Party would be absolutely in favor of joining. This whole argument of "get the country back" is ridiculous, seeing as the UK people have voted for a pro-EU government for the last, I don't know, four decades or more.

Fourthly, would it be forced on the UK? Forced no, but it might be a choice between poor trade possibilities and joining the Schengen Zone. How much are the UK people willing to lose from leaving the EU?

What freedoms are the British people being denied by being in the EU? This sounds like a silly argument that no one will ever back up, but people will support it because they want to believe they have lost freedoms. I've lived in countries with less freedoms, I know what it's like. I've been to countries with even less freedoms than that.

What freedoms will the British people suddenly get from leaving the EU?

No, pushing for something would guarantee nothing. Leaving the EU would also guarantee NOTHING. Why? Because you still have the govt in charge of the country, and they might just decide to do deals with the EU (which surrounds the UK) in order to have better trade.

Self-determination is NOT what Brexit is all about.

Brexit is all about "hope". Too many people without hope thinking leaving the EU will somehow take their miserable lives and make them better. It won't .

 

[Tommy Tainant]

9 out of 10 economists say -

Economists overwhelmingly reject Brexit in boost for Cameron

No shock there.

 

[alpine]

Brexit Poll: Leave is falling away

The latest polls show that support for leaving is falling away.

The innate good sense of the British people comes to the rescue.

The outers are all about immigration but the real issue is jobs.

They cannot answer the most basic question.

I am doubtful if Brexit was ever real, or was a stunt to grab more capitulations from the Germans...

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Brexit Poll: Leave is falling away

The latest polls show that support for leaving is falling away.

The innate good sense of the British people comes to the rescue.

The outers are all about immigration but the real issue is jobs.

They cannot answer the most basic question.

I am doubtful if Brexit was ever real, or was a stunt to grab more capitulations from the Germans...

Its been bubbling along for years in the Tory party. They hate foreigners and dream of days of Empire.

 

[Drummond]

Ooooooerrrrrrr. Not really a sensible threat to issue right now.

EU's latest THREAT: Do as we say over migrant quotas or you’ll lose your funding
EASTERN European countries who refuse to take in refugees face losing billions of pounds in European Union (EU) funding, a top Eurocrat has warned.

EU's latest THREAT: Do as we say over migrant quotas or you’ll lose your funding

This, of course, concerns 'refugees' who can't possibly have been adequately checked out beforehand. The sheer numbers involved argues for that ... as does the war-torn conditions of the region they've come from.

It seems that the EU has far less concern for its members' security concerns, and far more for dictating 'PC' imperatives of its own invention. An example of sheer power-dictatorship overriding the fundamental interests of individual nations.

But the UK didn't have to let in refugees. It did, and it was the UK GOVERNMENT that decided this.

So, what's this got to do with the EU?

You are applying common sense to an emotional argument. The two arent going to mix.

This is the Brexit case.

1. We leave the EU.
2. We kick out everybody we dont want here and close our borders.
3. Nobody takes reciprocal action because.......we are British.
4. We set up new trade agreements with the EU on as good terms as we had when we were in it - with no downside.
We wont have to pay tarrifs,we wont have to agree to join Schengen and we definately wont have to let in any bloody foreigners...........becasue we are British.
5. Meanwhile our wily British businessmen are exploiting new markets that have never existed before to make up a supposed shortfall in exports that wont exist anyway because we are................British.

What could go wrong ?

What could go wrong, you say ? Well ...

1. The Brexit case could fail, and we remain within the EU, resigned to perpetual dictatorship from a foreign power ...

2. If we do leave, the true nature of the Brexit opposition becomes apparent. Tariffs are insisted upon, regardless - and we see just how dictatorial and actually spiteful, the Brexit opposition has always been.

However, at least if we do leave, our own people will have sufficient freedom to choose to accept those tariffs, or to not do so. We will be free, as we are NOT right now, to seek other trade agreements with other nations .. and to get them.

Emotional twaddle. You talk as if the EU is some superstate. It isnt. Every country in the EU has different laws and taxation systems. Every country in the UK has different laws. What more do you want ?

Oh yes, I forgot. You just want to kick out the foreigners.

Ah, the race card again ... Lefties keep trotting that one out, don't they ?

Show me any example of where I've so much as hinted that I want 'foreigners kicked out'. That, Tommy, is your invention.

I suppose I do talk as though the EU is 'some superstate', as you put it. A mite premature of me, to be sure ... but it's only a matter of timing, of progress made towards that end. The EU has its own Parliament. Its own currency. Its own lawmaking machinery, which Member States are expected to incorporate within their own systems. If the EU doesn't yet qualify as a 'superstate', it's definitely created the infrastructure to permit it to become one.

They've even talked of creating an EU army ... !!

Jean-Claude Juncker calls for EU army

The European Union needs its own army to help address the problem that it is not “taken entirely seriously” as an international force, the president of the European commission has said.

As for the intended path, the fate, of the EU ... the same individual .. the President of the European Commission, no less !! .. has this to declare !! ...

Falling into a European superstate

In a scarcely-veiled reference to David Cameron, Juncker said, “Prime ministers must stop listening so much to their voters and instead act as full-time Europeans. Elected leaders are making life difficult because they spend too much time kowtowing to public opinion rather than working on historic projects like the Euro.”

.. yes. How DARE our Prime Minister listen to the will of his own people. The EU's own interests, according to Juncker, MUST override them !!

Another quote ...

The declared aim of the European project was from the start, back in the 1940s, the dissolving of national identities and the creation of a superstate. Jean Monnet, a founding father of the EU, wrote to a friend on 30th April, 1952: “Europe’s nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.”

 

[Drummond]

Brexit Poll: Leave is falling away

The latest polls show that support for leaving is falling away.

The innate good sense of the British people comes to the rescue.

The outers are all about immigration but the real issue is jobs.

They cannot answer the most basic question.

I am doubtful if Brexit was ever real, or was a stunt to grab more capitulations from the Germans...

I assure you that UKIP does exist. And that they carry support for their aims and beliefs.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Brexit Poll: Leave is falling away

The latest polls show that support for leaving is falling away.

The innate good sense of the British people comes to the rescue.

The outers are all about immigration but the real issue is jobs.

They cannot answer the most basic question.

I am doubtful if Brexit was ever real, or was a stunt to grab more capitulations from the Germans...

I assure you that UKIP does exist. And that they carry support for their aims and beliefs.

They act as a retirement home for bigots. And folk too extreme for the tories. They can pack their bags and fuck off in a couple of weeks.

 

[frigidweirdo]

This, of course, concerns 'refugees' who can't possibly have been adequately checked out beforehand. The sheer numbers involved argues for that ... as does the war-torn conditions of the region they've come from.

It seems that the EU has far less concern for its members' security concerns, and far more for dictating 'PC' imperatives of its own invention. An example of sheer power-dictatorship overriding the fundamental interests of individual nations.

But the UK didn't have to let in refugees. It did, and it was the UK GOVERNMENT that decided this.

So, what's this got to do with the EU?

You are applying common sense to an emotional argument. The two arent going to mix.

This is the Brexit case.

1. We leave the EU.
2. We kick out everybody we dont want here and close our borders.
3. Nobody takes reciprocal action because.......we are British.
4. We set up new trade agreements with the EU on as good terms as we had when we were in it - with no downside.
We wont have to pay tarrifs,we wont have to agree to join Schengen and we definately wont have to let in any bloody foreigners...........becasue we are British.
5. Meanwhile our wily British businessmen are exploiting new markets that have never existed before to make up a supposed shortfall in exports that wont exist anyway because we are................British.

What could go wrong ?

What could go wrong, you say ? Well ...

1. The Brexit case could fail, and we remain within the EU, resigned to perpetual dictatorship from a foreign power ...

2. If we do leave, the true nature of the Brexit opposition becomes apparent. Tariffs are insisted upon, regardless - and we see just how dictatorial and actually spiteful, the Brexit opposition has always been.

However, at least if we do leave, our own people will have sufficient freedom to choose to accept those tariffs, or to not do so. We will be free, as we are NOT right now, to seek other trade agreements with other nations .. and to get them.

Emotional twaddle. You talk as if the EU is some superstate. It isnt. Every country in the EU has different laws and taxation systems. Every country in the UK has different laws. What more do you want ?

Oh yes, I forgot. You just want to kick out the foreigners.

Ah, the race card again ... Lefties keep trotting that one out, don't they ?

Show me any example of where I've so much as hinted that I want 'foreigners kicked out'. That, Tommy, is your invention.

I suppose I do talk as though the EU is 'some superstate', as you put it. A mite premature of me, to be sure ... but it's only a matter of timing, of progress made towards that end. The EU has its own Parliament. Its own currency. Its own lawmaking machinery, which Member States are expected to incorporate within their own systems. If the EU doesn't yet qualify as a 'superstate', it's definitely created the infrastructure to permit it to become one.

They've even talked of creating an EU army ... !!

Jean-Claude Juncker calls for EU army

The European Union needs its own army to help address the problem that it is not “taken entirely seriously” as an international force, the president of the European commission has said.

As for the intended path, the fate, of the EU ... the same individual .. the President of the European Commission, no less !! .. has this to declare !! ...

Falling into a European superstate

In a scarcely-veiled reference to David Cameron, Juncker said, “Prime ministers must stop listening so much to their voters and instead act as full-time Europeans. Elected leaders are making life difficult because they spend too much time kowtowing to public opinion rather than working on historic projects like the Euro.”

.. yes. How DARE our Prime Minister listen to the will of his own people. The EU's own interests, according to Juncker, MUST override them !!

Another quote ...

The declared aim of the European project was from the start, back in the 1940s, the dissolving of national identities and the creation of a superstate. Jean Monnet, a founding father of the EU, wrote to a friend on 30th April, 1952: “Europe’s nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.”

The thing is, the EU will become a super state much quicker without the UK, the UK is probably the only one capable of joining forces together to stop it happening. The UK out of the EU as a superstate is probably WORSE than what exists right now.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Brexit Poll: Leave is falling away

The latest polls show that support for leaving is falling away.

The innate good sense of the British people comes to the rescue.

The outers are all about immigration but the real issue is jobs.

They cannot answer the most basic question.

I am doubtful if Brexit was ever real, or was a stunt to grab more capitulations from the Germans...

I assure you that UKIP does exist. And that they carry support for their aims and beliefs.

Their aims... what are their aims? And their beliefs, yeah, they have lots of beliefs, but not much reality.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Ooooooerrrrrrr. Not really a sensible threat to issue right now.

EU's latest THREAT: Do as we say over migrant quotas or you’ll lose your funding
EASTERN European countries who refuse to take in refugees face losing billions of pounds in European Union (EU) funding, a top Eurocrat has warned.

EU's latest THREAT: Do as we say over migrant quotas or you’ll lose your funding

This, of course, concerns 'refugees' who can't possibly have been adequately checked out beforehand. The sheer numbers involved argues for that ... as does the war-torn conditions of the region they've come from.

It seems that the EU has far less concern for its members' security concerns, and far more for dictating 'PC' imperatives of its own invention. An example of sheer power-dictatorship overriding the fundamental interests of individual nations.

But the UK didn't have to let in refugees. It did, and it was the UK GOVERNMENT that decided this.

So, what's this got to do with the EU?

You are applying common sense to an emotional argument. The two arent going to mix.

This is the Brexit case.

1. We leave the EU.
2. We kick out everybody we dont want here and close our borders.
3. Nobody takes reciprocal action because.......we are British.
4. We set up new trade agreements with the EU on as good terms as we had when we were in it - with no downside.
We wont have to pay tarrifs,we wont have to agree to join Schengen and we definately wont have to let in any bloody foreigners...........becasue we are British.
5. Meanwhile our wily British businessmen are exploiting new markets that have never existed before to make up a supposed shortfall in exports that wont exist anyway because we are................British.

What could go wrong ?

This has been the problem. The Brexit people have come out with their emotional nonsense, and the stay side have caved in to the emotional side, instead of hammering the facts.

 

[frigidweirdo]

This is a great example of how the Kippers do nothing apart from pick up their expenses.

This is exactly right. UKIP moan and complain. They never actually do anything to solve any problems. I mean, they went into the last GE with 2 seats and lost one of them. People can see what UKIP are about in the main.

 

[alpine]

Brexit Poll: Leave is falling away

The latest polls show that support for leaving is falling away.

The innate good sense of the British people comes to the rescue.

The outers are all about immigration but the real issue is jobs.

They cannot answer the most basic question.

I am doubtful if Brexit was ever real, or was a stunt to grab more capitulations from the Germans...

Its been bubbling along for years in the Tory party. They hate foreigners and dream of days of Empire.

Nobody told em the "emprire" now belongs to the Americans?

 

[HenryBHough]

Nobody told em the "emprire" now belongs to the Americans?

Oh, it doesn't.

Many assume so because the "leader" thinks of Himself as Emperor but that's all between Him and His mirror.

 

[Drummond]

Brexit Poll: Leave is falling away

The latest polls show that support for leaving is falling away.

The innate good sense of the British people comes to the rescue.

The outers are all about immigration but the real issue is jobs.

They cannot answer the most basic question.

I am doubtful if Brexit was ever real, or was a stunt to grab more capitulations from the Germans...

I assure you that UKIP does exist. And that they carry support for their aims and beliefs.

They act as a retirement home for bigots. And folk too extreme for the tories. They can pack their bags and fuck off in a couple of weeks.

... because you say so ?

Not exactly tolerant of others' views, are you ? Perhaps you stipulate 'a couple of weeks' in the forlorn hope that, somehow, their case wouldn't be expressed, in that crucial run-up time to the Referendum ??

Oh dear ... I feel your pain ....

 

[Drummond]

Ooooooerrrrrrr. Not really a sensible threat to issue right now.

EU's latest THREAT: Do as we say over migrant quotas or you’ll lose your funding
EASTERN European countries who refuse to take in refugees face losing billions of pounds in European Union (EU) funding, a top Eurocrat has warned.

EU's latest THREAT: Do as we say over migrant quotas or you’ll lose your funding

This, of course, concerns 'refugees' who can't possibly have been adequately checked out beforehand. The sheer numbers involved argues for that ... as does the war-torn conditions of the region they've come from.

It seems that the EU has far less concern for its members' security concerns, and far more for dictating 'PC' imperatives of its own invention. An example of sheer power-dictatorship overriding the fundamental interests of individual nations.

But the UK didn't have to let in refugees. It did, and it was the UK GOVERNMENT that decided this.

So, what's this got to do with the EU?

You are applying common sense to an emotional argument. The two arent going to mix.

This is the Brexit case.

1. We leave the EU.
2. We kick out everybody we dont want here and close our borders.
3. Nobody takes reciprocal action because.......we are British.
4. We set up new trade agreements with the EU on as good terms as we had when we were in it - with no downside.
We wont have to pay tarrifs,we wont have to agree to join Schengen and we definately wont have to let in any bloody foreigners...........becasue we are British.
5. Meanwhile our wily British businessmen are exploiting new markets that have never existed before to make up a supposed shortfall in exports that wont exist anyway because we are................British.

What could go wrong ?

This has been the problem. The Brexit people have come out with their emotional nonsense, and the stay side have caved in to the emotional side, instead of hammering the facts.

Wanting autonomy, wanting the freedom to self-govern, isn't 'emotional nonsense'. Any more than it was 'emotional nonsense' for conquered countries to want to be free of Hitler's Reich ...