Breonna Taylor case: Grand jury recordings released

[pknopp]

Things are changing. Seems that there are even judges that are growing tired of the lies of law enforcement. If our system can not be fair and honest it needs to fall apart

Too funny. Who signs warrants?

The one who signed the Taylor one does not seem happy to have been lied to.

Do you think she ever grants this officer another one?

 

[pknopp]

This was a very bad idea.

The defence now has instant grounds for appeal should their clients be convicting sighting this as making it impossible to get a fair jury.

Grand Jury deliberations are secret for a reason, so as witnesses not fear to testify but also so innocent charged are not tainted in public.

This was a basic violation of US legal procedure.

Things are changing. Seems that there are even judges that are growing tired of the lies of law enforcement. If our system can not be fair and honest it needs to fall apart.

In terms of our judicial system, what system in your mind would be more "fair"....?

One where a person gets held accountable no matter their position in life and the prosecution side can not lie to get a conviction.

 

[martybegan]

Did you provide any actual backup for your claim? Cuomo is fudging the numbers because he fucked up.

Actually, I've posted this several times..

38% of COVID-19 Deaths in Nursing Homes & Assisted Living Facilities

A startling statistic has profound implications for the way we’ve managed the coronavirus pandemic.

freopp.org

Only 15% of Covid Deaths in NY have been in Nursing Homes and Assisted Living, compared to 42% for the country at large.

He didn't wear a mask when talking, how do you know he wasn't wearing a mask at other times?

Point was, he has repeatedly refused to wear a mask, even mocked Joe Biden for wearing a mask the day before he caught Covid and spread it to his wife and half the staff.

Nice attempt again at a weak link with no basis in fact. More dishonest posting from the most dishonest person on this board.

No weak link at all. Trump has encouraged racist, anti-government violence since the day he got in. Are you really surprised this is happening? I'm not.

It's quite simple, actually: Joey is a Stalinist. He dreams of having those he does not like (and their children) terrorized, physically attacked, and possibly murdered.

yet your side gets on here and justifies an innocent woman being murdered in her home.

Again, because he fudged the numbers.

He mocked Biden for wearing a mask when he was far away from anyone else.

That link is only in the empty heads of TDS cum buckets such as youself.

 

[martybegan]

Did you provide any actual backup for your claim? Cuomo is fudging the numbers because he fucked up.

Actually, I've posted this several times..

38% of COVID-19 Deaths in Nursing Homes & Assisted Living Facilities

A startling statistic has profound implications for the way we’ve managed the coronavirus pandemic.

freopp.org

Only 15% of Covid Deaths in NY have been in Nursing Homes and Assisted Living, compared to 42% for the country at large.

By those standards (not saying that your numbers are correct or not) according to John's Hopkins the US has 7.7 million cases of Covid, with 213K deaths, that is 2.8%, So, if I were you I'd say that Trump has had ONLY 2.8% death rate as oppose to a 7.4% rate in the UK, and 10.3% rate in Mexico....It is a numbers game you are playing instead of the outrageous action of placing covid positive patients in nursing homes along side what Cuomo knew was the most vunerable population...

Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

And the big thing is none of these numbers are accurate, because we don't know the true denominator, i.e. number of actual infections, because asymptomatic and mild symptom cases may not be tested.

 

[j-mac]

This was a very bad idea.

The defence now has instant grounds for appeal should their clients be convicting sighting this as making it impossible to get a fair jury.

Grand Jury deliberations are secret for a reason, so as witnesses not fear to testify but also so innocent charged are not tainted in public.

This was a basic violation of US legal procedure.

Things are changing. Seems that there are even judges that are growing tired of the lies of law enforcement. If our system can not be fair and honest it needs to fall apart.

In terms of our judicial system, what system in your mind would be more "fair"....?

One where a person gets held accountable no matter their position in life and the prosecution side can not lie to get a conviction.

Are there not sanctions for the attorney's involved if they are proven later to have done shady things in order to win their respective cases? Of course there are.

But, if you want to talk about accountability, then you have to make that accross the board for everyone, including politicians like Hillary Clinton, and the cabal of criminals involved in her 2016 scheme to divert from her own email scandal....But, I am willing to bet that you don't want it to go that far...

So, why don't you just admit that you want political persecutions, instead of equal justice for all...

 

[j-mac]

Did you provide any actual backup for your claim? Cuomo is fudging the numbers because he fucked up.

Actually, I've posted this several times..

38% of COVID-19 Deaths in Nursing Homes & Assisted Living Facilities

A startling statistic has profound implications for the way we’ve managed the coronavirus pandemic.

freopp.org

Only 15% of Covid Deaths in NY have been in Nursing Homes and Assisted Living, compared to 42% for the country at large.

By those standards (not saying that your numbers are correct or not) according to John's Hopkins the US has 7.7 million cases of Covid, with 213K deaths, that is 2.8%, So, if I were you I'd say that Trump has had ONLY 2.8% death rate as oppose to a 7.4% rate in the UK, and 10.3% rate in Mexico....It is a numbers game you are playing instead of the outrageous action of placing covid positive patients in nursing homes along side what Cuomo knew was the most vunerable population...

Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

And the big thing is none of these numbers are accurate, because we don't know the true denominator, i.e. number of actual infections, because asymptomatic and mild symptom cases may not be tested.

That's exactly right Marty, not to mention that the link RW'er posts is from a highly biased source, (shocker I know)....

But the fact remains that the JH numbers I posted are raw data, and show that the US is doing better than 3/4 of the world in terms of percentage of death due to covid even with the skewed criteria in what is or is not a covid death.

 

[jc456]

The one who signed the Taylor one does not seem happy to have been lied to.

Do you think she ever grants this officer another one

What was the lie?

are you suggesting she didn’t know what she signed? No knock warrant?

 

[pknopp]

This was a very bad idea.

The defence now has instant grounds for appeal should their clients be convicting sighting this as making it impossible to get a fair jury.

Grand Jury deliberations are secret for a reason, so as witnesses not fear to testify but also so innocent charged are not tainted in public.

This was a basic violation of US legal procedure.

Things are changing. Seems that there are even judges that are growing tired of the lies of law enforcement. If our system can not be fair and honest it needs to fall apart.

In terms of our judicial system, what system in your mind would be more "fair"....?

One where a person gets held accountable no matter their position in life and the prosecution side can not lie to get a conviction.

Are there not sanctions for the attorney's involved if they are proven later to have done shady things in order to win their respective cases? Of course there are.

But, if you want to talk about accountability, then you have to make that accross the board for everyone, including politicians like Hillary Clinton, and the cabal of criminals involved in her 2016 scheme to divert from her own email scandal....But, I am willing to bet that you don't want it to go that far...

So, why don't you just admit that you want political persecutions, instead of equal justice for all...

Show me where the officer that lied has been held accountable.

 

[pknopp]

The one who signed the Taylor one does not seem happy to have been lied to.

Do you think she ever grants this officer another one

What was the lie?

are you suggesting she didn’t know what she signed? No knock warrant?

You know the answer to that.

 

[basquebromance]

if you're not outraged...YOU'VE NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION

 

[Crixus]

Tessa Duvall
Louisville Courier Journal


LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Former Police Chief Steve Conrad was told Breonna Taylor was armed with a rifle and had fired at officers before they shot her dead in her apartment, according to an investigative interview obtained by The Courier Journal.

None of that, he later discovered, was true.

Conrad was interviewed by Louisville Metro Police investigators March 18, five days after Taylor's death. The interview, first reported by WDRB, is part of the larger investigative file that The Courier Journal has filed suit to obtain.

City officials say they plan to make the file public after making necessary redactions.

In his interview, Conrad described the conflicting reports he received about what had happened just before 1 a.m. March 13 when his officers tried to search Taylor's apartment for drugs and cash.

nope. all make believe. read the grand jury report.

Again, grand jury reports are notoriously make believe.
The famous quote is that the prosecutor said he could get the grand jury to convict a ham sandwich if he wanted them to.
{...
New York State chief judge Sol Wachtler was famously quoted by Tom Wolfe in The Bonfire of the Vanities that "a grand jury would 'indict a ham sandwich,' if that's what you wanted."
...}

Ham sandwich - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So it is REALLY, REALLY wrong for you to keep referencing the grand jury.
They are NOT the truth.
There is NO cross examination or witnesses for the other side.

mmm, if its going your way a grand jury is infallible, if you don't like it they suck. Going to rip off a pence line here and say you are entitled to your opinion, you aren't entitled to your facts. why not just let the process work its self out and see what happens?

The FACTS are that grand juries are usually wrong.
Grand juries are not impartial investigators.
They are called by the prosecutor when their case could get them sued, so they want to isolate themselves from the outcome.
Usually that is because their case is so weak.
But in this case, they wanted to deliberately throw the case, in secret.

You just aren't telling the truth and demonstrating you have zero understanding of the process. You are the one not telling the truth.

 

[JoeB131]

By those standards (not saying that your numbers are correct or not) according to John's Hopkins the US has 7.7 million cases of Covid, with 213K deaths, that is 2.8%, So, if I were you I'd say that Trump has had ONLY 2.8% death rate as oppose to a 7.4% rate in the UK, and 10.3% rate in Mexico....It is a numbers game you are playing instead of the outrageous action of placing covid positive patients in nursing homes along side what Cuomo knew was the most vunerable population...

Actually, not even a good comparison... because it just means that they have less cases identified, not more deaths.

Point was, the guidence from the CDC is to return them to their homes... and that's what Cuomo did.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the wonderful For Profit Health Care that we have to minimize hospital stays, because they are costing money!!!

 

[JoeB131]

Again, because he fudged the numbers.

He mocked Biden for wearing a mask when he was far away from anyone else.

That link is only in the empty heads of TDS cum buckets such as youself.

Uh, guy, check it out, these guys LOVED Trump.

The chilling social media of the Trump-loving 13 'militia'

Social media accounts of the 13 men arrested and charged Thursday with plotting to kidnap Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer show a love of Donald Trump, guns, anarchy and liberty.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Wolverine Watchmen militia linked to Whitmer kidnap plot has Boogaloo ties | Bridge Michigan

Michigan is ‘the birthplace of the militia movement,’ but experts say the Wolverine Watchmen group linked to plots to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, target police and storm the state Capitol appears to be part of an increasingly extreme and conspiracy-minded antigovernment movement.

www.bridgemi.com

Check out their compound. Confederate and Gadsen Flags, just like our resident right wing nutters.

 

[martybegan]

Again, because he fudged the numbers.

He mocked Biden for wearing a mask when he was far away from anyone else.

That link is only in the empty heads of TDS cum buckets such as youself.

Uh, guy, check it out, these guys LOVED Trump.

The chilling social media of the Trump-loving 13 'militia'

Social media accounts of the 13 men arrested and charged Thursday with plotting to kidnap Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer show a love of Donald Trump, guns, anarchy and liberty.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Wolverine Watchmen militia linked to Whitmer kidnap plot has Boogaloo ties | Bridge Michigan

Michigan is ‘the birthplace of the militia movement,’ but experts say the Wolverine Watchmen group linked to plots to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, target police and storm the state Capitol appears to be part of an increasingly extreme and conspiracy-minded antigovernment movement.

www.bridgemi.com

Check out their compound. Confederate and Gadsen Flags, just like our resident right wing nutters.

opinion pieces, nothing more.

 

[Jake Winker Frogen]

I am telling you the officer charged if convicted will now get off on appeal.

This was a political act that did not care about the judicial outcome.

Charged? For what?

The charge lodged is "wanton endangerment."

 

[j-mac]

This was a very bad idea.

The defence now has instant grounds for appeal should their clients be convicting sighting this as making it impossible to get a fair jury.

Grand Jury deliberations are secret for a reason, so as witnesses not fear to testify but also so innocent charged are not tainted in public.

This was a basic violation of US legal procedure.

Things are changing. Seems that there are even judges that are growing tired of the lies of law enforcement. If our system can not be fair and honest it needs to fall apart.

In terms of our judicial system, what system in your mind would be more "fair"....?

One where a person gets held accountable no matter their position in life and the prosecution side can not lie to get a conviction.

Are there not sanctions for the attorney's involved if they are proven later to have done shady things in order to win their respective cases? Of course there are.

But, if you want to talk about accountability, then you have to make that accross the board for everyone, including politicians like Hillary Clinton, and the cabal of criminals involved in her 2016 scheme to divert from her own email scandal....But, I am willing to bet that you don't want it to go that far...

So, why don't you just admit that you want political persecutions, instead of equal justice for all...

Show me where the officer that lied has been held accountable.

Say what now?

 

[j-mac]

By those standards (not saying that your numbers are correct or not) according to John's Hopkins the US has 7.7 million cases of Covid, with 213K deaths, that is 2.8%, So, if I were you I'd say that Trump has had ONLY 2.8% death rate as oppose to a 7.4% rate in the UK, and 10.3% rate in Mexico....It is a numbers game you are playing instead of the outrageous action of placing covid positive patients in nursing homes along side what Cuomo knew was the most vunerable population...

Actually, not even a good comparison... because it just means that they have less cases identified, not more deaths.

Point was, the guidence from the CDC is to return them to their homes... and that's what Cuomo did.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the wonderful For Profit Health Care that we have to minimize hospital stays, because they are costing money!!!

Bull shit, it’s not a comparison at all, it’s fact.

 

[jc456]

Again, because he fudged the numbers.

He mocked Biden for wearing a mask when he was far away from anyone else.

That link is only in the empty heads of TDS cum buckets such as youself.

Uh, guy, check it out, these guys LOVED Trump.

The chilling social media of the Trump-loving 13 'militia'

Social media accounts of the 13 men arrested and charged Thursday with plotting to kidnap Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer show a love of Donald Trump, guns, anarchy and liberty.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Wolverine Watchmen militia linked to Whitmer kidnap plot has Boogaloo ties | Bridge Michigan

Michigan is ‘the birthplace of the militia movement,’ but experts say the Wolverine Watchmen group linked to plots to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, target police and storm the state Capitol appears to be part of an increasingly extreme and conspiracy-minded antigovernment movement.

www.bridgemi.com

Check out their compound. Confederate and Gadsen Flags, just like our resident right wing nutters.

So wait a minute, she plotted to take out 3 million people because of a fake flu and thirteen guys got arrested for trying to stop that.

 

[JoeB131]

opinion pieces, nothing more.

Trump created the toxic environment that spawned these nuts.

That's the point.

Bull shit, it’s not a comparison at all, it’s fact.

Um, no, guy, it's not a fact at all.. We have the most Covid Cases, we have the most covid deaths. Because Trump is incompetent.

 

[jc456]

You just aren't telling the truth and demonstrating you have zero understanding of the process. You are the one not telling the truth

Actually, he is just ignoring our laws cause he hates the truth