Breaking News from Genesis 1:9

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That’s certainly your prerogative. You might get Charles Hapgood’s book

..if you run out of toilet paper.

 

[Newtonian]

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Obviously you did not check the references I posted for accuracy. For example, the Muratorian fragment c. 170 CE.

I'm not sure what I was supposed to check:

The fragment, consisting of 85 lines, is a 7th-century Latin manuscript bound in a 7th- or 8th-century codex from the library of Columbanus's monastery at Bobbio Abbey; it contains features suggesting it is a translation from a Greek original written about 170 or as late as the 4th century​

If you're wondering about its accuracy, it has some obvious mistakes. Several forged Pauline letters are included in its cannon, Titus for instance.

See our article on the Muratorian fragment - e.g. why the original is dated to c. 170 CE

Early Confirmation of the Bible Canon — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

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Excerpt:

"You might wonder, though, when the information in the Muratorian Fragment was originally written. It seems that the original was composed in Greek many centuries before the Fragment text, which is a Latin translation of the Greek. Here is a clue that helps in dating the original. The Fragment mentions a non-Biblical book, the Shepherd, and states that a man named Hermas wrote it “very recently, in our times, in the city of Rome.” Scholars date the final writing of Hermas’ Shepherd between 140 and 155 C.E. Thus, you can see why the Greek-language original of the Latin Muratorian Fragment is dated to between 170 and 200 C.E....

The text is not merely a list of the books of the Christian Greek Scriptures. It also comments on the books and their respective writers. If you read the text, you would see that the first lines of the manuscript are missing, and it also seems to end abruptly. It starts by mentioning the Gospel of Luke, and the document states that the writer of this Bible book was a physician. (Colossians 4:14) It states that Luke’s is the third Gospel, so you can see that the missing initial part likely made reference to the Gospels of Matthew and Mark. If that is your conclusion, you would find support in the Muratorian Fragment, which says that the fourth Gospel is that of John.


The Fragment confirms that the book of Acts of Apostles was written by Luke for the “most excellent Theophilus.” (Luke 1:3; Acts 1:1) Then it goes on to list the letters of the apostle Paul to the Corinthians (two), to the Ephesians, to the Philippians, to the Colossians, to the Galatians, to the Thessalonians (two), to the Romans, to Philemon, to Titus, and to Timothy (two). The letter of Jude and two letters of John are also mentioned as inspired books. The apostle John’s first letter was already alluded to, along with his Gospel. Apocalypse, or Revelation, concludes the list of the books considered inspired.

It is significant that the Fragment mentions an Apocalypse of Peter but states that some felt that it should not be read by Christians. The writer warns that counterfeit writings were already circulating in his day. The Muratorian Fragment explains that these should not be accepted, “for it is not fitting that gall be mixed with honey.” The document also mentions other texts that were not to be included among the holy writings. That was either because they were written after the apostolic period, as was the Shepherd of Hermas, or because they were written to support heresies.

You may have observed from the foregoing that the letter to the Hebrews, Peter’s two letters, and that of James are not mentioned in this catalog of authentic Bible books. However, noting the workmanship of the scribe who copied the manuscript, Dr. Geoffrey Mark Hahneman observed that it is “reasonable to suggest that the Fragment may have contained other references now lost, and that James and Hebrews (and 1 Peter) may have been among them.”—The Muratorian Fragment and the Development of the Canon."

So by 100 years after Jesus' death, long after anyone who knew Jesus or an apostle, the four Gospels had come to be associated with specific figures. I have no problem with that but it in no way changes what I wrote.

The writership of the 4 gospels was never doubted back then - but note that the book of John was written about 63 years after Jesus death and John was an apostle of Jesus. The oldest manuscript copy fragment of this gospel is from only about 25 years after that:

Why You Can Trust the Biblical Gospels — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

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"A valuable fragment of John’s Gospel was found in Egypt at the turn of the 20th century and is now known as the Papyrus Rylands 457 (P52). It contains what is John 18:31-33, 37, 38 in the modern Bible and is preserved at the John Rylands Library, Manchester, England. This is the oldest manuscript fragment of the Christian Greek Scriptures in existence. Many scholars believe that it was written about 125 C.E., a mere quarter of a century or so after John’s death. The amazing thing is that the text of the fragment agrees nearly exactly with that in later manuscripts. The fact that a copy of John’s Gospel of such antiquity had already circulated to Egypt, where the fragment was discovered, supports the conclusion that the good news according to John was really recorded in the first century C.E. and by John himself, as the Bible indicates. The book of John is therefore the work of an eyewitness."

 

[gipper]

That’s certainly your prerogative. You might get Charles Hapgood’s book

..if you run out of toilet paper.

Typical.

 

[Newtonian]

Genesis 1:6-9
Then God said: “Let there be an expanse+ between the waters, and let there be a division between the waters and the waters.”+ 7 Then God went on to make the expanse and divided the waters beneath the expanse from the waters above the expanse.+ And it was so. 8 God called the expanse Heaven.* And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

9 Then God said: “Let the waters under the heavens be collected together into one place, and let the dry land appear.”+ And it was so.

So, while before the first creative day the earth was covered with water in darkness (Genesis 1:2) perhaps billions of years ago (compare the rate of carbonate deposition by the geologic carbon cycle), by the first creative day light reached the surface of these primordial waters (note the Hebrew imperfect verb state = action in progress not yet complete).

Then on the second creative day (likely well over 7,000 years long each) the waters separated from above the atmospheric expanse and below it. And on the 3rd creative day dry land appeared and then land plants were created.

But what caused the waters to separate and were the upper waters mostly rotating like Saturn's rings rather than supported by the atmosphere as on Venus where atmospheric pressure is very high?

Were there condensation catastrophes involved when earth's crustal temperatures reached the higher boiling point due to the higher atmospheric pressure due to the much higher CO2 atmospheric pressure before said CO2 was gradually removed from the atmosphere via earth's primordial waters and the geologic carbon cycle?

Since the primordial waters would have been hot (perhaps above the current boiling point) and in darkness and under great atmospheric pressure - does this environment correspond to that in deep ocean thermal vents also hot and under great pressure where different forms of life that do not require light flourish?

Were luminescent animals the first forms of life on earth's surface?

Were extremophiles the first form of life created on earth?

How much time did it take for earth's crust to cool to water's condensation point?

Since the crust was thinner - did the water pressure cause volcanic activity which put some CO2 back into the atmosphere raising the boiling point and stopping condensation in repeating cycle?

Did volcanic activity decrease in numbers but increase in violence due to the thickening of earth's crust?

Did the wrinkling of earth's crust during thickening plus volcanic activity cause dry land to first appear?

Was the Noachian flood the last/final condensation catastrophe perhaps initiated by the effects of a comet on the rotating water belts around the earth - perhaps a near miss?

Bottom line - how did God cause earth's accretion of water which ended with the Noachian flood? I.e. not simply Goddidit - but how God did it?

 

[Hollie]

Genesis 1:6-9
Then God said: “Let there be an expanse+ between the waters, and let there be a division between the waters and the waters.”+ 7 Then God went on to make the expanse and divided the waters beneath the expanse from the waters above the expanse.+ And it was so. 8 God called the expanse Heaven.* And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

9 Then God said: “Let the waters under the heavens be collected together into one place, and let the dry land appear.”+ And it was so.

So, while before the first creative day the earth was covered with water in darkness (Genesis 1:2) perhaps billions of years ago (compare the rate of carbonate deposition by the geologic carbon cycle), by the first creative day light reached the surface of these primordial waters (note the Hebrew imperfect verb state = action in progress not yet complete).

Then on the second creative day (likely well over 7,000 years long each) the waters separated from above the atmospheric expanse and below it. And on the 3rd creative day dry land appeared and then land plants were created.

But what caused the waters to separate and were the upper waters mostly rotating like Saturn's rings rather than supported by the atmosphere as on Venus where atmospheric pressure is very high?

Were there condensation catastrophes involved when earth's crustal temperatures reached the higher boiling point due to the higher atmospheric pressure due to the much higher CO2 atmospheric pressure before said CO2 was gradually removed from the atmosphere via earth's primordial waters and the geologic carbon cycle?

Since the primordial waters would have been hot (perhaps above the current boiling point) and in darkness and under great atmospheric pressure - does this environment correspond to that in deep ocean thermal vents also hot and under great pressure where different forms of life that do not require light flourish?

Were luminescent animals the first forms of life on earth's surface?

Were extremophiles the first form of life created on earth?

How much time did it take for earth's crust to cool to water's condensation point?

Since the crust was thinner - did the water pressure cause volcanic activity which put some CO2 back into the atmosphere raising the boiling point and stopping condensation in repeating cycle?

Did volcanic activity decrease in numbers but increase in violence due to the thickening of earth's crust?

Did the wrinkling of earth's crust during thickening plus volcanic activity cause dry land to first appear?

Was the Noachian flood the last/final condensation catastrophe perhaps initiated by the effects of a comet on the rotating water belts around the earth - perhaps a near miss?

Bottom line - how did God cause earth's accretion of water which ended with the Noachian flood? I.e. not simply Goddidit - but how God did it?

A presumptive claim to the gods causing earth's accretion of water without first supporting your clam to the existence of the gods is a variation of one of many fallacious cosmological arguments.

What Noachian flood are you referring to? What evidence can you present to support the claim to a global flood a few thousand years ago?

 

[Newtonian]

Genesis 1:6-9
Then God said: “Let there be an expanse+ between the waters, and let there be a division between the waters and the waters.”+ 7 Then God went on to make the expanse and divided the waters beneath the expanse from the waters above the expanse.+ And it was so. 8 God called the expanse Heaven.* And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

9 Then God said: “Let the waters under the heavens be collected together into one place, and let the dry land appear.”+ And it was so.

So, while before the first creative day the earth was covered with water in darkness (Genesis 1:2) perhaps billions of years ago (compare the rate of carbonate deposition by the geologic carbon cycle), by the first creative day light reached the surface of these primordial waters (note the Hebrew imperfect verb state = action in progress not yet complete).

Then on the second creative day (likely well over 7,000 years long each) the waters separated from above the atmospheric expanse and below it. And on the 3rd creative day dry land appeared and then land plants were created.

But what caused the waters to separate and were the upper waters mostly rotating like Saturn's rings rather than supported by the atmosphere as on Venus where atmospheric pressure is very high?

Were there condensation catastrophes involved when earth's crustal temperatures reached the higher boiling point due to the higher atmospheric pressure due to the much higher CO2 atmospheric pressure before said CO2 was gradually removed from the atmosphere via earth's primordial waters and the geologic carbon cycle?

Since the primordial waters would have been hot (perhaps above the current boiling point) and in darkness and under great atmospheric pressure - does this environment correspond to that in deep ocean thermal vents also hot and under great pressure where different forms of life that do not require light flourish?

Were luminescent animals the first forms of life on earth's surface?

Were extremophiles the first form of life created on earth?

How much time did it take for earth's crust to cool to water's condensation point?

Since the crust was thinner - did the water pressure cause volcanic activity which put some CO2 back into the atmosphere raising the boiling point and stopping condensation in repeating cycle?

Did volcanic activity decrease in numbers but increase in violence due to the thickening of earth's crust?

Did the wrinkling of earth's crust during thickening plus volcanic activity cause dry land to first appear?

Was the Noachian flood the last/final condensation catastrophe perhaps initiated by the effects of a comet on the rotating water belts around the earth - perhaps a near miss?

Bottom line - how did God cause earth's accretion of water which ended with the Noachian flood? I.e. not simply Goddidit - but how God did it?

A presumptive claim to the gods causing earth's accretion of water without first supporting your clam to the existence of the gods is a variation of one of many fallacious cosmological arguments.

What Noachian flood are you referring to? What evidence can you present to support the claim to a global flood a few thousand years ago?

You fail to attempt to answer even one of the questions I posted. What valuable scientific points are you posting - for example, how do you think earth accreted its water and what does the over 64 million petagrams of carbon in the carbonate in earth's crust deposited by the geologic carbon cycle indicate to you?

Or are you just posting your repeated accusations without any desire to add scientific input? Remember which forum section this is.

 

[Hollie]

Genesis 1:6-9
Then God said: “Let there be an expanse+ between the waters, and let there be a division between the waters and the waters.”+ 7 Then God went on to make the expanse and divided the waters beneath the expanse from the waters above the expanse.+ And it was so. 8 God called the expanse Heaven.* And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

9 Then God said: “Let the waters under the heavens be collected together into one place, and let the dry land appear.”+ And it was so.

So, while before the first creative day the earth was covered with water in darkness (Genesis 1:2) perhaps billions of years ago (compare the rate of carbonate deposition by the geologic carbon cycle), by the first creative day light reached the surface of these primordial waters (note the Hebrew imperfect verb state = action in progress not yet complete).

Then on the second creative day (likely well over 7,000 years long each) the waters separated from above the atmospheric expanse and below it. And on the 3rd creative day dry land appeared and then land plants were created.

But what caused the waters to separate and were the upper waters mostly rotating like Saturn's rings rather than supported by the atmosphere as on Venus where atmospheric pressure is very high?

Were there condensation catastrophes involved when earth's crustal temperatures reached the higher boiling point due to the higher atmospheric pressure due to the much higher CO2 atmospheric pressure before said CO2 was gradually removed from the atmosphere via earth's primordial waters and the geologic carbon cycle?

Since the primordial waters would have been hot (perhaps above the current boiling point) and in darkness and under great atmospheric pressure - does this environment correspond to that in deep ocean thermal vents also hot and under great pressure where different forms of life that do not require light flourish?

Were luminescent animals the first forms of life on earth's surface?

Were extremophiles the first form of life created on earth?

How much time did it take for earth's crust to cool to water's condensation point?

Since the crust was thinner - did the water pressure cause volcanic activity which put some CO2 back into the atmosphere raising the boiling point and stopping condensation in repeating cycle?

Did volcanic activity decrease in numbers but increase in violence due to the thickening of earth's crust?

Did the wrinkling of earth's crust during thickening plus volcanic activity cause dry land to first appear?

Was the Noachian flood the last/final condensation catastrophe perhaps initiated by the effects of a comet on the rotating water belts around the earth - perhaps a near miss?

Bottom line - how did God cause earth's accretion of water which ended with the Noachian flood? I.e. not simply Goddidit - but how God did it?

A presumptive claim to the gods causing earth's accretion of water without first supporting your clam to the existence of the gods is a variation of one of many fallacious cosmological arguments.

What Noachian flood are you referring to? What evidence can you present to support the claim to a global flood a few thousand years ago?

You fail to attempt to answer even one of the questions I posted. What valuable scientific points are you posting - for example, how do you think earth accreted its water and what does the over 64 million petagrams of carbon in the carbonate in earth's crust deposited by the geologic carbon cycle indicate to you?

Or are you just posting your repeated accusations without any desire to add scientific input? Remember which forum section this is.

It’s a simple matter to research the evidence that points to cometary bombardment of the planet as a major source of water.

In terms of “scientific input”, are you trying to make a point about 64 million petagrams? What point would that be?

 

[Newtonian]

Genesis 1:6-9
Then God said: “Let there be an expanse+ between the waters, and let there be a division between the waters and the waters.”+ 7 Then God went on to make the expanse and divided the waters beneath the expanse from the waters above the expanse.+ And it was so. 8 God called the expanse Heaven.* And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

9 Then God said: “Let the waters under the heavens be collected together into one place, and let the dry land appear.”+ And it was so.

So, while before the first creative day the earth was covered with water in darkness (Genesis 1:2) perhaps billions of years ago (compare the rate of carbonate deposition by the geologic carbon cycle), by the first creative day light reached the surface of these primordial waters (note the Hebrew imperfect verb state = action in progress not yet complete).

Then on the second creative day (likely well over 7,000 years long each) the waters separated from above the atmospheric expanse and below it. And on the 3rd creative day dry land appeared and then land plants were created.

But what caused the waters to separate and were the upper waters mostly rotating like Saturn's rings rather than supported by the atmosphere as on Venus where atmospheric pressure is very high?

Were there condensation catastrophes involved when earth's crustal temperatures reached the higher boiling point due to the higher atmospheric pressure due to the much higher CO2 atmospheric pressure before said CO2 was gradually removed from the atmosphere via earth's primordial waters and the geologic carbon cycle?

Since the primordial waters would have been hot (perhaps above the current boiling point) and in darkness and under great atmospheric pressure - does this environment correspond to that in deep ocean thermal vents also hot and under great pressure where different forms of life that do not require light flourish?

Were luminescent animals the first forms of life on earth's surface?

Were extremophiles the first form of life created on earth?

How much time did it take for earth's crust to cool to water's condensation point?

Since the crust was thinner - did the water pressure cause volcanic activity which put some CO2 back into the atmosphere raising the boiling point and stopping condensation in repeating cycle?

Did volcanic activity decrease in numbers but increase in violence due to the thickening of earth's crust?

Did the wrinkling of earth's crust during thickening plus volcanic activity cause dry land to first appear?

Was the Noachian flood the last/final condensation catastrophe perhaps initiated by the effects of a comet on the rotating water belts around the earth - perhaps a near miss?

Bottom line - how did God cause earth's accretion of water which ended with the Noachian flood? I.e. not simply Goddidit - but how God did it?

A presumptive claim to the gods causing earth's accretion of water without first supporting your clam to the existence of the gods is a variation of one of many fallacious cosmological arguments.

What Noachian flood are you referring to? What evidence can you present to support the claim to a global flood a few thousand years ago?

You fail to attempt to answer even one of the questions I posted. What valuable scientific points are you posting - for example, how do you think earth accreted its water and what does the over 64 million petagrams of carbon in the carbonate in earth's crust deposited by the geologic carbon cycle indicate to you?

Or are you just posting your repeated accusations without any desire to add scientific input? Remember which forum section this is.

It’s a simple matter to research the evidence that points to cometary bombardment of the planet as a major source of water.

In terms of “scientific input”, are you trying to make a point about 64 million petagrams? What point would that be?

I already posted that.

Hint: the geologic carbon cycle.

Sample question - how long did it take for the deposition of earth's crustal carbonates?

 

[Hollie]

Genesis 1:6-9
Then God said: “Let there be an expanse+ between the waters, and let there be a division between the waters and the waters.”+ 7 Then God went on to make the expanse and divided the waters beneath the expanse from the waters above the expanse.+ And it was so. 8 God called the expanse Heaven.* And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

9 Then God said: “Let the waters under the heavens be collected together into one place, and let the dry land appear.”+ And it was so.

So, while before the first creative day the earth was covered with water in darkness (Genesis 1:2) perhaps billions of years ago (compare the rate of carbonate deposition by the geologic carbon cycle), by the first creative day light reached the surface of these primordial waters (note the Hebrew imperfect verb state = action in progress not yet complete).

Then on the second creative day (likely well over 7,000 years long each) the waters separated from above the atmospheric expanse and below it. And on the 3rd creative day dry land appeared and then land plants were created.

But what caused the waters to separate and were the upper waters mostly rotating like Saturn's rings rather than supported by the atmosphere as on Venus where atmospheric pressure is very high?

Were there condensation catastrophes involved when earth's crustal temperatures reached the higher boiling point due to the higher atmospheric pressure due to the much higher CO2 atmospheric pressure before said CO2 was gradually removed from the atmosphere via earth's primordial waters and the geologic carbon cycle?

Since the primordial waters would have been hot (perhaps above the current boiling point) and in darkness and under great atmospheric pressure - does this environment correspond to that in deep ocean thermal vents also hot and under great pressure where different forms of life that do not require light flourish?

Were luminescent animals the first forms of life on earth's surface?

Were extremophiles the first form of life created on earth?

How much time did it take for earth's crust to cool to water's condensation point?

Since the crust was thinner - did the water pressure cause volcanic activity which put some CO2 back into the atmosphere raising the boiling point and stopping condensation in repeating cycle?

Did volcanic activity decrease in numbers but increase in violence due to the thickening of earth's crust?

Did the wrinkling of earth's crust during thickening plus volcanic activity cause dry land to first appear?

Was the Noachian flood the last/final condensation catastrophe perhaps initiated by the effects of a comet on the rotating water belts around the earth - perhaps a near miss?

Bottom line - how did God cause earth's accretion of water which ended with the Noachian flood? I.e. not simply Goddidit - but how God did it?

A presumptive claim to the gods causing earth's accretion of water without first supporting your clam to the existence of the gods is a variation of one of many fallacious cosmological arguments.

What Noachian flood are you referring to? What evidence can you present to support the claim to a global flood a few thousand years ago?

You fail to attempt to answer even one of the questions I posted. What valuable scientific points are you posting - for example, how do you think earth accreted its water and what does the over 64 million petagrams of carbon in the carbonate in earth's crust deposited by the geologic carbon cycle indicate to you?

Or are you just posting your repeated accusations without any desire to add scientific input? Remember which forum section this is.

It’s a simple matter to research the evidence that points to cometary bombardment of the planet as a major source of water.

In terms of “scientific input”, are you trying to make a point about 64 million petagrams? What point would that be?

I already posted that.

Hint: the geologic carbon cycle.

Sample question - how long did it take for the deposition of earth's crustal carbonates?

How long?

As this is the Genesis 1:9 thread, I’m guessing no more than 6 days, right?