BREAKING: Barack Obama's shocking ties to Moammar Gadhafi!!!

[Jarhead]

You are kidding me with this right????

Unfortunately, it appears that Buc is not kidding. I used to presume he was a liberal plant, sent by DKos to make conservatives look really, really, really f'in stupid. But it seems I was wrong.

He is 100% correct.
Criteria for security clearance at the SS level includes amongst other things, past legal record and past associations....including those of nucleus relatives....
They go as far back as High School.

 

[bucs90]

Because they didn't want to spend their remaining days on earth in a ferry near Tripoli. That would be obvious to most people.

NO...the question was...why were they fleeing Lybia?

I think we all know why they were fleeing Libya: There's a civil war going on there.

The ferry was not in harm's way.

Oh, sure

The boat trying to flee a nation in civil war in which the dictator is ordering jets to bomb civilians is in no harm.

I used to wonder how you people could possibly vote Democrat. I see now.

 

[MichIndy]

Ok, lets see.......

2 SEAL teams could easily get in and secure the ferry. A unit of Marines could too. They took Tripoli before, remember?

Won't work? Ok. How about a couple of US Navy Combat Crewman units, you know, the boats that escort seals in and out of hostile environments? They'd easily get in and out a few times to rescue the people.

Still not enough?

Well, the Coast Guard, our military's 5th branch, does rescues in Cat 5 hurricanes. One Coast Guard ship, escorted by 2-4 Navy combat crewman crafts, with a small unit of SEALS on board? Thats not a massive military operation, but would've easily gotten in and out with the refugee citizens.

But then again, I may be wrong. After all, I'm not Commander in Chief. Only he could authorize such a thing.

OH MY GOD let it go they are out no one was harmed save the monday mornign quarterback routine for another time. DAMN how can you be this jacked up over a total non-issue. if they had been harmed .. then *****
if someone had been hurt.....then *****
if someone had been kidnapped .... then *****
if someone had been shot ..... then *****
if someone had been stabbed ..... then *****


until then ....................... STOP ACTING LIKE A LITTLE *****

I bet you'd love us to ignore yet another Obama **** up. But I will not.

So thats your standard for operation? As long as the end result comes out all happy smiley, then there is no reason to critique the response?

So if a building is burning, and citizens are inside, but the fire dept ignores it.........and everyone gets out anyway, unharmed, then there is no reason to knock the Fire Dept?

If a guy is in a school shooting it up, and one classroom on the opposite side of the school is begging for police to help get them out, and the cops don't come, but that class gets out safe anyway, is it safe to say the cops shouldn't be criticized?

What if the ferry did get bombed? Then what? The State Dept said it was unstable and unpredictable.

So THAT is your standard for operation? Just sit back, cross your fingers, and if it works itself out, then GOOD nothing to comment on?

Thats bullshit. Obama left them hanging and you know it. You just refuse to allow your savior to be criticized.

when criticizism is warranted .. yes i will do that without a problem, but this is over analysis of the highest order.

 

[Jarhead]

Because they didn't want to spend their remaining days on earth in a ferry near Tripoli. That would be obvious to most people.

NO...the question was...why were they fleeing Lybia?

I think we all know why they were fleeing Libya: There's a civil war going on there.

The ferry was not in harm's way.

Based on reports out of Libya.....andything was in harms way seeing as government attacks were coming from the air.
Were you not aware of this?

 

[8537]

You are kidding me with this right????

Unfortunately, it appears that Buc is not kidding. I used to presume he was a liberal plant, sent by DKos to make conservatives look really, really, really f'in stupid. But it seems I was wrong.

He is 100% correct.
Criteria for security clearance at the SS level includes amongst other things, past legal record and past associations....including those of nucleus relatives....
They go as far back as High School.

He may or may not be correct about Obama's ability to get clearance as a police officer etc...

I wasn't referring to that specific claim. But I have doubts: My neighbor is a retired police officer. He was also an active and vocal member of Students for a Democratic Society and he stood at their dissolving convention in 1969.

 

[8537]

NO...the question was...why were they fleeing Lybia?

I think we all know why they were fleeing Libya: There's a civil war going on there.

The ferry was not in harm's way.

Based on reports out of Libya.....andything was in harms way seeing as government attacks were coming from the air.
Were you not aware of this?

I am well aware that jets were attacking civilians.

I am also aware that no foreign diplomats have been targetted.

I also understand that a Libyan jet could just as easily bomb a ferry in open waters as it could a ferry in a port.

And I'm fully aware that adding US troops in harms way would do nothing but endanger more Americans.

 

[Jarhead]

OH MY GOD let it go they are out no one was harmed save the monday mornign quarterback routine for another time. DAMN how can you be this jacked up over a total non-issue. if they had been harmed .. then *****
if someone had been hurt.....then *****
if someone had been kidnapped .... then *****
if someone had been shot ..... then *****
if someone had been stabbed ..... then *****


until then ....................... STOP ACTING LIKE A LITTLE *****

I bet you'd love us to ignore yet another Obama **** up. But I will not.

So thats your standard for operation? As long as the end result comes out all happy smiley, then there is no reason to critique the response?

So if a building is burning, and citizens are inside, but the fire dept ignores it.........and everyone gets out anyway, unharmed, then there is no reason to knock the Fire Dept?

If a guy is in a school shooting it up, and one classroom on the opposite side of the school is begging for police to help get them out, and the cops don't come, but that class gets out safe anyway, is it safe to say the cops shouldn't be criticized?

What if the ferry did get bombed? Then what? The State Dept said it was unstable and unpredictable.

So THAT is your standard for operation? Just sit back, cross your fingers, and if it works itself out, then GOOD nothing to comment on?

Thats bullshit. Obama left them hanging and you know it. You just refuse to allow your savior to be criticized.

when criticizism is warranted .. yes i will do that without a problem, but this is over analysis of the highest order.

So tell me....

If you were in Libya...in Tripoli....and you saw that the government was using fixed and rotory aircraft to bomb people in the streets...and you were with your family...and you were aware that the man who gives the order to fire on people had a hatred for Americans....and the US embassy told you that you should sit on a boat within 3 miles of the center of town for 3 days and wait there....and it was widely reported that 167 Americans were sitting on that boat in the port for 3 days.....

You would take your children there?

 

[Jarhead]

I think we all know why they were fleeing Libya: There's a civil war going on there.

The ferry was not in harm's way.

Based on reports out of Libya.....andything was in harms way seeing as government attacks were coming from the air.
Were you not aware of this?

I am well aware that jets were attacking civilians.

I am also aware that no foreign diplomats have been targetted.

I also understand that a Libyan jet could just as easily bomb a ferry in open waters as it could a ferry in a port.

And I'm fully aware that adding US troops in harms way would do nothing but endanger more Americans.

A moving boat is making progress to safe territory.
A sitting boat is making no progress.

What do you believe is a safer situation?

 

[8537]

Based on reports out of Libya.....andything was in harms way seeing as government attacks were coming from the air.
Were you not aware of this?

I am well aware that jets were attacking civilians.

I am also aware that no foreign diplomats have been targetted.

I also understand that a Libyan jet could just as easily bomb a ferry in open waters as it could a ferry in a port.

And I'm fully aware that adding US troops in harms way would do nothing but endanger more Americans.

A moving boat is making progress to safe territory.
A sitting boat is making no progress.

What do you believe is a safer situation?

In this case, sitting was safer. That's why the boat didn't leave -- it was unsafe waters. I guess you could send in a large US naval vessel - and put a great big bullseye on it while you're at it.

 

[Jarhead]

I think we all know why they were fleeing Libya: There's a civil war going on there.

The ferry was not in harm's way.

Based on reports out of Libya.....andything was in harms way seeing as government attacks were coming from the air.
Were you not aware of this?

I am well aware that jets were attacking civilians.

I am also aware that no foreign diplomats have been targetted.

I also understand that a Libyan jet could just as easily bomb a ferry in open waters as it could a ferry in a port.

And I'm fully aware that adding US troops in harms way would do nothing but endanger more Americans.

In Egypt an American reporter was raped and beaten because she was an American.

Exactly how safe is a boat docked in port with the world knowing there are 167 Americans on it...... in that region?

Expediency is the answer...you get them the hell out of harms way ASAP.

 

[rightwinger]

Based on reports out of Libya.....andything was in harms way seeing as government attacks were coming from the air.
Were you not aware of this?

I am well aware that jets were attacking civilians.

I am also aware that no foreign diplomats have been targetted.

I also understand that a Libyan jet could just as easily bomb a ferry in open waters as it could a ferry in a port.

And I'm fully aware that adding US troops in harms way would do nothing but endanger more Americans.

A moving boat is making progress to safe territory.
A sitting boat is making no progress.

What do you believe is a safer situation?

The American people have been safely evacuated

Ferry carrying Americans able to leave Libya - USATODAY.com

Once again, Obama's decision has proved to be the right one

 

[8537]

Based on reports out of Libya.....andything was in harms way seeing as government attacks were coming from the air.
Were you not aware of this?

I am well aware that jets were attacking civilians.

I am also aware that no foreign diplomats have been targetted.

I also understand that a Libyan jet could just as easily bomb a ferry in open waters as it could a ferry in a port.

And I'm fully aware that adding US troops in harms way would do nothing but endanger more Americans.

In Egypt an American reporter was raped and beaten because she was an American.

I know! Sick, right?

Exactly how safe is a boat docked in port with the world knowing there are 167 Americans on it...... in that region?

Safer than a ferry in waters it wasn't designed for.

Expediency is the answer...you get them the hell out of harms way ASAP.

By sending in a US naval vessel with a bright red bullseye on it, so the Libyans have something to REALLY get excited about shooting?

 

[bodecea]

BTW, Gadhafi said , "Now, ruling America is a black man from our continent, an African from Arab descent, from Muslim descent, and this is something we never imagined – that from Reagan we would get to Barakeh Obama."

Is he a birther now haha!!!???

But seriously, this explains a whole lot about Obama's strange activities.

I am amused that you are taking your cue from Gadhafi.

OH!!! Well maybe you can explain, being you are an ex-Navy officer.

Other nations got their people out. We've still got 600 stranded in a port. The official "excuse" is the water and weather is too rough.

The Navy, USMC and Coast Guard can't handle that water? Or Obama won't allow them to?

First of all, I am not "ex-Navy", I am retired Navy. Second of all, I trust the knowledge and expertise of our Surface Navy and Coasties. You apparently do not. You want to blame this on Obama back in Washington D.C. and expect us to follow you right along with your stupid notions that Obama is PERSONALLY ORDERING our Navy to NOT pick up our citizens for............what reason again?

 

[Jarhead]

I am well aware that jets were attacking civilians.

I am also aware that no foreign diplomats have been targetted.

I also understand that a Libyan jet could just as easily bomb a ferry in open waters as it could a ferry in a port.

And I'm fully aware that adding US troops in harms way would do nothing but endanger more Americans.

A moving boat is making progress to safe territory.
A sitting boat is making no progress.

What do you believe is a safer situation?

In this case, sitting was safer. That's why the boat didn't leave -- it was unsafe waters. I guess you could send in a large US naval vessel - and put a great big bullseye on it while you're at it.

Or you contact the Libyan government and ask for permission to get your people out....and if they say no....you get them for even MORE reason.

You see...I dont see that as being militaristic.

I see it as government doing for the people what they are supposed to do.....protect Americans.

And if Libya saw that ship as one with a target......then we do what we need to do....defend our people and our property.

 

[Jarhead]

I am well aware that jets were attacking civilians.

I am also aware that no foreign diplomats have been targetted.

I also understand that a Libyan jet could just as easily bomb a ferry in open waters as it could a ferry in a port.

And I'm fully aware that adding US troops in harms way would do nothing but endanger more Americans.

In Egypt an American reporter was raped and beaten because she was an American.

I know! Sick, right?

Exactly how safe is a boat docked in port with the world knowing there are 167 Americans on it...... in that region?

Safer than a ferry in waters it wasn't designed for.

Expediency is the answer...you get them the hell out of harms way ASAP.

By sending in a US naval vessel with a bright red bullseye on it, so the Libyans have something to REALLY get excited about shooting?

Yes...by sending in a ship that can get them the hell out of the region.
Big red bullseye?
Excuse me....whereever our military is they have a big red bullseye on it.
Why is it an issue when it comes to saving Americans?

 

[MichIndy]

I bet you'd love us to ignore yet another Obama **** up. But I will not.

So thats your standard for operation? As long as the end result comes out all happy smiley, then there is no reason to critique the response?

So if a building is burning, and citizens are inside, but the fire dept ignores it.........and everyone gets out anyway, unharmed, then there is no reason to knock the Fire Dept?

If a guy is in a school shooting it up, and one classroom on the opposite side of the school is begging for police to help get them out, and the cops don't come, but that class gets out safe anyway, is it safe to say the cops shouldn't be criticized?

What if the ferry did get bombed? Then what? The State Dept said it was unstable and unpredictable.

So THAT is your standard for operation? Just sit back, cross your fingers, and if it works itself out, then GOOD nothing to comment on?

Thats bullshit. Obama left them hanging and you know it. You just refuse to allow your savior to be criticized.

when criticizism is warranted .. yes i will do that without a problem, but this is over analysis of the highest order.

So tell me....

If you were in Libya...in Tripoli....and you saw that the government was using fixed and rotory aircraft to bomb people in the streets...and you were with your family...and you were aware that the man who gives the order to fire on people had a hatred for Americans....and the US embassy told you that you should sit on a boat within 3 miles of the center of town for 3 days and wait there....and it was widely reported that 167 Americans were sitting on that boat in the port for 3 days.....

You would take your children there?

where else am i going to go? Club Tripoli???
It is over it is done. It is like going back and trying to win a football game that ended LAST SUNDAY.
It is people revolting against their leader not protesting american intervention or military presence or anti-american hatred for their stances or that americans killed one of their citizens. They hate their leader right now and that is the focus of their anger.
If one hostile move had been made toward that ferry in that port the military would have been there within minutes (even in those rough waters) and gotten them and any other citiznes of any ohter nationality out of harms way.
How many planes have sat out on the tarmac in Serbia or Tunisia or Sudan or Iran while american were trying to get out of the country??? It has happened before in situations as fluid and hostile as a country in flux or in a revolt or in a revolution.
PAST TENSE
just go back to being bitter that Obama is in office, open up your local branch of the Obama-He-Man-Lefites-Hating Club and start getting ramped up for the election in 2012.
Stop hypothsizing about situation that is now over

 

[8537]

A moving boat is making progress to safe territory.
A sitting boat is making no progress.

What do you believe is a safer situation?

In this case, sitting was safer. That's why the boat didn't leave -- it was unsafe waters. I guess you could send in a large US naval vessel - and put a great big bullseye on it while you're at it.

Or you contact the Libyan government and ask for permission to get your people out....and if they say no....you get them for even MORE reason.

You see...I dont see that as being militaristic.

I see it as government doing for the people what they are supposed to do.....protect Americans.

And if Libya saw that ship as one with a target......then we do what we need to do....defend our people and our property.

First of all, I have no doubt that the State Department attempted to contact the Libyan government. They didn't need permission to get people out - they simply got people out. It didn't require special permission.

So they were on a ferry, awaiting departure in a fashion similar to the thousands at the Tripoli airport. Sending more Americans - with guns - into the situation would certainly be provocative and would do nothing to actually get the people out. They needed a boat capable of carrying them, and any such US Naval boat would be a really fantastic target.

Could we protect it? Probably. How many US servicemen do we risk doing so?

 

[8537]

In Egypt an American reporter was raped and beaten because she was an American.

I know! Sick, right?


Safer than a ferry in waters it wasn't designed for.

Expediency is the answer...you get them the hell out of harms way ASAP.

By sending in a US naval vessel with a bright red bullseye on it, so the Libyans have something to REALLY get excited about shooting?

Yes...by sending in a ship that can get them the hell out of the region.
Big red bullseye?
Excuse me....whereever our military is they have a big red bullseye on it.
Why is it an issue when it comes to saving Americans?

Jarhead, putting a US naval ship in Tripoli makes that bullseye a much more attractive target than putting it in Cork.

It's not an issue of "saving Americans". Americans were saved - all 167 of them.

 

[Sunni Man]

The American people have been safely evacuated

Ferry carrying Americans able to leave Libya - USATODAY.com

Once again, Obama's decision has proved to be the right one

When will the American people realize that Obama is practically a gift the nation in our time of need.

Obama is a loyal and patriotic American who has a utopian vision for our country.

The nay sayers should just fall in line with the pro Obama camp and support the Obama agenda for a greater America.

 

[Jarhead]

I am well aware that jets were attacking civilians.

I am also aware that no foreign diplomats have been targetted.

I also understand that a Libyan jet could just as easily bomb a ferry in open waters as it could a ferry in a port.

And I'm fully aware that adding US troops in harms way would do nothing but endanger more Americans.

A moving boat is making progress to safe territory.
A sitting boat is making no progress.

What do you believe is a safer situation?

The American people have been safely evacuated

Ferry carrying Americans able to leave Libya - USATODAY.com

Once again, Obama's decision has proved to be the right one

lol....you and you "bow to our savior" attitude is sickening.

And, of course, if someone decided to capitalize on those Americans stuck in one area and kill them knowing that it is such an easy target....you would be saying "Obama did everything he could but you cant predict how a crazy murderer may act"