Bread lines ARE a good thing; You have to understand them

[jknowgood]

I think you guys are unfair to Bernie about the bread lines comment. They ARE good.

Poor people need food.
We give food stamps now
Capitalist grocery store occupies that middle ground

All democrat socialism does is remove the corporate greed at the grocery store and hand the “bread” directly to the hungry. And you all OPPOSE that??? Why?

Have you actually ever worked for a living. Is the person going to bake the bread for free? Is the farmer going to grow it for free? Is the feed and seed store gonna give the seed to him for free? How about the tractor to plow the fields, or the truck to deliver his wheat? Who is gonna give him the gas to be able to use his truck and tractor? You gonna give him the land, pay his power bill? I tell you what when you get your first check, give 80% away, or shut up

Peach is a child. She is filled with stars in the eyes being taken care of. The government would buy the food. The government would take all the money from the rich and buy food for everyone. The government is the primary breadwinner for every person. That's socialism. In reality no one has food. The government takes the money filters it through an expensive and large bureaucracy and there is little left to buy the food.

He doesn't realize there will be no rich people, we will all be miserble together.

 

[OKTexas]

I think you guys are unfair to Bernie about the bread lines comment. They ARE good.

Poor people need food.
We give food stamps now
Capitalist grocery store occupies that middle ground

All democrat socialism does is remove the corporate greed at the grocery store and hand the “bread” directly to the hungry. And you all OPPOSE that??? Why?

You dumb ass, grocery stores operate on a 3-4% margin. You try that shit you'd wind up with empty shelves and everyone would starve. See Venezuela, they're eating their dogs, ideas like Sanders bankrupted the country.

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You are not understanding the context or point.
No one is saying grocery stores should not sell food and make a profit as they also provide a service.
The point is that it is foolish for government to pay food stamps to grocery stores for poor people who could otherwise not buy the food anyway.
For the poor who can not afford to buy, you might as well establish a cheaper system that is nonprofit.

Why reinvent the wheel? Your ignorant way would cost more as it always does when the government gets involved. Why do you think the government abandoned the direct commodity distribution system that once existed.

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[Ray From Cleveland]

I think you guys are unfair to Bernie about the bread lines comment. They ARE good.

Poor people need food.
We give food stamps now
Capitalist grocery store occupies that middle ground

All democrat socialism does is remove the corporate greed at the grocery store and hand the “bread” directly to the hungry. And you all OPPOSE that??? Why?

Have you actually ever worked for a living. Is the person going to bake the bread for free? Is the farmer going to grow it for free? Is the feed and seed store gonna give the seed to him for free? How about the tractor to plow the fields, or the truck to deliver his wheat? Who is gonna give him the gas to be able to use his truck and tractor? You gonna give him the land, pay his power bill? I tell you what when you get your first check, give 80% away, or shut up

Who said anything about free?
But the point is you do not have to charge more for profit.
Things like tuition now are costing over 20 times what it used to cost, should cost, or would cost even adapted for inflation.
When you have a monopoly, you charge not just what it costs, but as much as possible, and that is unfair.
That can't be allowed.
Teddy Roosevelt was a republican, but he was clear about the unfair abuses of a free market.

It's not a monopoly unless somebody owns all of the colleges. We have private for profit colleges, non-profit colleges, community colleges. There is no monopoly in higher education.

 

[Lesh]

Same goes for education. Student takes out govt loans. Gives it to college. Student is broke and cant pay it back. Govt loses that $$.

Why put students thru that? Just have govt give the $$ to the college, they lose that $$ either way but at least the students arent stuck w debt

I've seen some very stupid college kids. I've seen some very smart people who haven't gone to college. It's vastly overrated.

You know what I've seen?

Russian trolls...a new one about every day...like the OP

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Same goes for education. Student takes out govt loans. Gives it to college. Student is broke and cant pay it back. Govt loses that $$.

Why put students thru that? Just have govt give the $$ to the college, they lose that $$ either way but at least the students arent stuck w debt

College is an investment. An investment is when you take your OWN money, and make plans to get that money back plus a profit. Government should not be giving people money for investments. We are 22 trillion in debt today, we don't need to see that number grow by giving more money away to people that should be providing that money for themselves.

Almost everything good that government does is an investment, such as public education, roads, utilities, defense, etc.
The investments government makes do not just help the individuals, everyone in the whole society.
Industry can not compete with other countries without more higher education, and if you allow the wealthy to have a monopoly on education, you create hereditary dynasties that are inherently corrupt, unfair, and undemocratic.
You also become a 3rd world nation without the skills for the country to compete globally.
So then you have foreign exchange students being subsidized by their government, to come to our country, get a good education, get good US jobs, steal all our propritary intellectual property, and take it back to their country.

But I agree we should just subsidize the colleges.
That is the way it used to be.
I was just paying $100/semester when I went to the best in state, land grant, college.
Now I hear it is more like $15k/semester.

The way to lower college tuition is to get the government out. No more student loans. When the government started giving out loans the tuition started rising. The universities had a pipeline to the treasury.

Wrong.
Government started giving out student loans in the 50s and it dropped tuition immensely.
It is only after government started making loans harder to get in the 90s, that tuition went up.
The goal should not be anything about loans, but to eliminate the interest debt, so students can afford to repay just the loan, instead of 3 times as much from all the accumulated interest.

College works like any other business: supply and demand. When people realized the glory days of big buck blue collar jobs were on their way out, more people started to send their kids to college. It created more demand than supply. As years went on, it got worse.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Same goes for education. Student takes out govt loans. Gives it to college. Student is broke and cant pay it back. Govt loses that $$.

Why put students thru that? Just have govt give the $$ to the college, they lose that $$ either way but at least the students arent stuck w debt

I've seen some very stupid college kids. I've seen some very smart people who haven't gone to college. It's vastly overrated.

You know what I've seen?

Russian trolls...a new one about every day...like the OP

Hmmmm...I wonder this about Herr Lesh

 

[OKTexas]

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Bernie and his followers need a one way ticket to Venezuela

No. Denmark, Netherlands, etc that’s what we model it after.

HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!
And there it is.
The cost of living in both of those countries is significantly higher than America. AND their taxes are higher also.
The average rent cost in Denmark is 20% higher than America.
The average cost to drive a car in Denmark is 7 times what it cost in America
I can go on.

You should have paid attention to Bernie more, he stopped talking about Switzerland in 2016 when he started getting flack just like above.

But the quality of life in Denmark and Switzerland is vastly higher than the US.
As well as crime being much lower and life expectancy much higher.
So then what is your complaint?
If the cost of living in the US is lower, that just means we are poorer.

So tell the class how many of their citizens participate in a jail house thug culture?

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[Norman]

I think you guys are unfair to Bernie about the bread lines comment. They ARE good.

Poor people need food.
We give food stamps now
Capitalist grocery store occupies that middle ground

All democrat socialism does is remove the corporate greed at the grocery store and hand the “bread” directly to the hungry. And you all OPPOSE that??? Why?

They would save billions in the war against obesity.

Further, people would not have time to moan for free health care, free education, free everything!

Super plan...

 

[Cecilie1200]

I think you guys are unfair to Bernie about the bread lines comment. They ARE good.

Poor people need food.
We give food stamps now
Capitalist grocery store occupies that middle ground

All democrat socialism does is remove the corporate greed at the grocery store and hand the “bread” directly to the hungry. And you all OPPOSE that??? Why?

You have GOT to be a troll.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think you guys are unfair to Bernie about the bread lines comment. They ARE good.

Poor people need food.
We give food stamps now
Capitalist grocery store occupies that middle ground

All democrat socialism does is remove the corporate greed at the grocery store and hand the “bread” directly to the hungry. And you all OPPOSE that??? Why?

We used to do just that. I remember it quite well. Those on state aid got commodities from the state services office. They either picked it up or in some cases an aid worker delivered it. They got powdered milk, powdered eggs, cheese, flour, sometimes rice, a couple of bricks of lard. Why do you think this program ended? In your opinion it cut out the capitalistic grocery store. It must be superior.

It must be a lot of younger people arguing this point. Those of us who are older remember the free government cheese lines. Sometimes they went a half mile or so. All these pathetic poor people spending their entire day standing in line in the rain, the snow, the hot sun, to get a hunk of cheese. We older folks seen this before--they haven't. It's something I pray we never see again.

 

[miketx]

I think you guys are unfair to Bernie about the bread lines comment. They ARE good.

Poor people need food.
We give food stamps now
Capitalist grocery store occupies that middle ground

All democrat socialism does is remove the corporate greed at the grocery store and hand the “bread” directly to the hungry. And you all OPPOSE that??? Why?

 

[debbiedowner]

I think you guys are unfair to Bernie about the bread lines comment. They ARE good.

Poor people need food.
We give food stamps now
Capitalist grocery store occupies that middle ground

All democrat socialism does is remove the corporate greed at the grocery store and hand the “bread” directly to the hungry. And you all OPPOSE that??? Why?

I can remember 61 years ago and government semi's coming to town and passed out cheese, peanut butter, powdered potato's. Most people were working poor, the only people that made any amount of money in my town were the ones that worked at one auto plant and several parts plants other than that service and retail paid nothing.

I don't know if Eisenhower started that or it happened before his time.

 

[OKTexas]

Same goes for education. Student takes out govt loans. Gives it to college. Student is broke and cant pay it back. Govt loses that $$.

Why put students thru that? Just have govt give the $$ to the college, they lose that $$ either way but at least the students arent stuck w debt

College is an investment. An investment is when you take your OWN money, and make plans to get that money back plus a profit. Government should not be giving people money for investments. We are 22 trillion in debt today, we don't need to see that number grow by giving more money away to people that should be providing that money for themselves.

Almost everything good that government does is an investment, such as public education, roads, utilities, defense, etc.
The investments government makes do not just help the individuals, everyone in the whole society.
Industry can not compete with other countries without more higher education, and if you allow the wealthy to have a monopoly on education, you create hereditary dynasties that are inherently corrupt, unfair, and undemocratic.
You also become a 3rd world nation without the skills for the country to compete globally.
So then you have foreign exchange students being subsidized by their government, to come to our country, get a good education, get good US jobs, steal all our proprietary intellectual property, and take it back to their country.

But I agree we should just subsidize the colleges.
That is the way it used to be.
I was just paying $100/semester when I went to the best in state, land grant, college.
Now I hear it is more like $15k/semester.

Investment is ownership.

And what is wrong with having some democratic ownership in things that we invest collective capital into?
We did that with the car makers when they were going bankrupt.
It improved society as well as the cars and their makers.
Sweden owns like 25% of Volvo, and that works great.

At least when government invest in your education and then tries to influence you, you have options, like turning down their loan offer.
But if you do not allow government investment, then you enforce economic slavery, bankruptcy, caste systems, dynasties, crime, rebellion, etc.

As you said earlier, investment in not the feds job. Everything they get involved in winds up costing more than it should.

.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Same goes for education. Student takes out govt loans. Gives it to college. Student is broke and cant pay it back. Govt loses that $$.

Why put students thru that? Just have govt give the $$ to the college, they lose that $$ either way but at least the students arent stuck w debt

College is an investment. An investment is when you take your OWN money, and make plans to get that money back plus a profit. Government should not be giving people money for investments. We are 22 trillion in debt today, we don't need to see that number grow by giving more money away to people that should be providing that money for themselves.

Almost everything good that government does is an investment, such as public education, roads, utilities, defense, etc.
The investments government makes do not just help the individuals, everyone in the whole society.
Industry can not compete with other countries without more higher education, and if you allow the wealthy to have a monopoly on education, you create hereditary dynasties that are inherently corrupt, unfair, and undemocratic.
You also become a 3rd world nation without the skills for the country to compete globally.
So then you have foreign exchange students being subsidized by their government, to come to our country, get a good education, get good US jobs, steal all our propritary intellectual property, and take it back to their country.

But I agree we should just subsidize the colleges.
That is the way it used to be.
I was just paying $100/semester when I went to the best in state, land grant, college.
Now I hear it is more like $15k/semester.

If one cannot afford college, then they can make their investment in a trade school. The problem today is, younger people believe that if they get a higher education, they won't have to work getting their hands dirty.

Kids come out of college unable to find work in the field which they trained. My niece is one of those people. She's 30 years old now with a biology degree. She wanted to work in a medical lab. Know where she is today? Waiting tables at a restaurant in Jacksonville Florida.

Her brother had better luck. He got a Masters. He had a job though a friend who's parents are in the business he's in. If not for that, I don't know where he'd be today. What I do know is that he lives with his mother trying to payoff his college loans. When I was his age, I bought the apartments where I currently live, and had been making a living for 15 years before that. I left home at the age of 20, and never had to return like he did.

 

[debbiedowner]

I think you guys are unfair to Bernie about the bread lines comment. They ARE good.

Poor people need food.
We give food stamps now
Capitalist grocery store occupies that middle ground

All democrat socialism does is remove the corporate greed at the grocery store and hand the “bread” directly to the hungry. And you all OPPOSE that??? Why?

We used to do just that. I remember it quite well. Those on state aid got commodities from the state services office. They either picked it up or in some cases an aid worker delivered it. They got powdered milk, powdered eggs, cheese, flour, sometimes rice, a couple of bricks of lard. Why do you think this program ended? In your opinion it cut out the capitalistic grocery store. It must be superior.

It must be a lot of younger people arguing this point. Those of us who are older remember the free government cheese lines. Sometimes they went a half mile or so. All these pathetic poor people spending their entire day standing in line in the rain, the snow, the hot sun, to get a hunk of cheese. We older folks seen this before--they haven't. It's something I pray we never see again.

I want you to know holier than thou fuck my mom stood in one of those lines in 1958 after 10 hours of work so go fuck your holier than thou attitude.

 

[22lcidw]

I think you guys are unfair to Bernie about the bread lines comment. They ARE good.

Poor people need food.
We give food stamps now
Capitalist grocery store occupies that middle ground

All democrat socialism does is remove the corporate greed at the grocery store and hand the “bread” directly to the hungry. And you all OPPOSE that??? Why?

I can remember 61 years ago and government semi's coming to town and passed out cheese, peanut butter, powdered potato's. Most people were working poor, the only people that made any amount of money in my town were the ones that worked at one auto plant and several parts plants other than that service and retail paid nothing.

I don't know if Eisenhower started that or it happened before his time.

It was a spurt after WW 2. Then the rest of the world rebuilt. Newer factories while we lolli gagged. Small cities and towns felt it bad as some of the larger cities did. The we sold out in the name of competition to overseas concerns. The costs far lower then ours. We have adjusted. But it is a far different economy that would fall quickly with a hefty stock market downturn in today's climate. Scam calls are part of it..520 686 7041 Benson, AZ.?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think you guys are unfair to Bernie about the bread lines comment. They ARE good.

Poor people need food.
We give food stamps now
Capitalist grocery store occupies that middle ground

All democrat socialism does is remove the corporate greed at the grocery store and hand the “bread” directly to the hungry. And you all OPPOSE that??? Why?

To be honest I agree with you.
All people receiving gov assistance for food should have to show up once a week at central locations to receive a box of approved gov handouts.
This whole sit on your couch until they refill your EBT card is bullshit!!!
Maybe being seen in a gov assistance line would embarrass em enough to get a job.

Bullshit. They get nothing for Free. Turn Gov Assistance to Workfare and sweep the streets, and take care of public buildings and parks.

They tried that here somewhere in our state, I forget where. The unions bitched like hell because those people were doing their work, so they got rid of the program.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think you guys are unfair to Bernie about the bread lines comment. They ARE good.

Poor people need food.
We give food stamps now
Capitalist grocery store occupies that middle ground

All democrat socialism does is remove the corporate greed at the grocery store and hand the “bread” directly to the hungry. And you all OPPOSE that??? Why?

To be honest I agree with you.
All people receiving gov assistance for food should have to show up once a week at central locations to receive a box of approved gov handouts.
This whole sit on your couch until they refill your EBT card is bullshit!!!
Maybe being seen in a gov assistance line would embarrass em enough to get a job.

Or simply making food stamp requirements to receive them. Maine did exactly that for recipients with no dependents. The result? Most of those people were not that hungry after all. They dropped out of the food stamp program.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think you guys are unfair to Bernie about the bread lines comment. They ARE good.

Poor people need food.
We give food stamps now
Capitalist grocery store occupies that middle ground

All democrat socialism does is remove the corporate greed at the grocery store and hand the “bread” directly to the hungry. And you all OPPOSE that??? Why?

We used to do just that. I remember it quite well. Those on state aid got commodities from the state services office. They either picked it up or in some cases an aid worker delivered it. They got powdered milk, powdered eggs, cheese, flour, sometimes rice, a couple of bricks of lard. Why do you think this program ended? In your opinion it cut out the capitalistic grocery store. It must be superior.

It must be a lot of younger people arguing this point. Those of us who are older remember the free government cheese lines. Sometimes they went a half mile or so. All these pathetic poor people spending their entire day standing in line in the rain, the snow, the hot sun, to get a hunk of cheese. We older folks seen this before--they haven't. It's something I pray we never see again.

I want you to know holier than thou fuck my mom stood in one of those lines in 1958 after 10 hours of work so go fuck your holier than thou attitude.

It's not a holler than thou anything. It was pathetic and mimicked the USSR. I never want to see that again in our country.

 

[dblack]

And what is wrong with having some democratic ownership in things that we invest collective capital into?

Because usually they're "investing" in people - and I don't want to be owned.

We did that with the car makers when they were going bankrupt.

And that was wrong.

It improved society as well as the cars and their makers.

| don't want government preoccupied with improving society, much less cars and their makers.

Sweden owns like 25% of Volvo, and that works great.

Then move to Sweden.

At least when government invest in your education and then tries to influence you, you have options, like turning down their loan offer.

Sure, you can always turn down the "free shit". But you still have to pay for it.

But if you do not allow government investment, then you enforce economic slavery, bankruptcy, caste systems, dynasties, crime, rebellion, etc.

Nope. Government "investment" is what props up all that shit. Government should be the referee for society, not its coach. And sure as fuck not its owner.