Boycott Israel

[Hollie]

Was name calling your major in university?

The Palestinians have been calling for the implementation of international law and UN resolutions forever. Why isn't this happening?

You want a peaceful resolution. Let's get it done.

The Hamas Charter does not propose a peaceful resolution.

Acquiring territory by force? Where did I read that?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Hamas Charter does not propose a peaceful resolution.

Acquiring territory by force? Where did I read that?

Acquiring territory by force? Where did I read that?

UN Charter.

 

[Hollie]

UN Charter.

Hamas Charter. You can deny it but that doesn't make it go away.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycot Israel
SUBTOPIC: Acquisition
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

PREFACE: You have to be just a little closer to the mark here. You have to tell me what territory and what citation you are using.

Over 2009 and 2010, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States reversed their positions, and now support the UNDRIP. Some critics believe that despite their change in position, each nation’s commitment remains lukewarm at best. Lightfoot points to the frequency of terms like “aspirational” and “non-binding” in these governments’ official announcements, and cautions that by using these terms the governments in question seek to exempt themselves from any legal responsibility to the UNDRIP. In Australia’s April 2009 official statement, for example, Member of Parliament Jenny Macklin called the Declaration “historic and aspirational.”​

SOURCE: Welcome to Indigenous Foundations​

Acquiring territory by force.

(COMMENT)

In the absence of any particular reference, I suppose your misquote really means to point to Article 2(4).

To the best of my knowledge, (relative to the West Bank, Jerusalem, Gaza Strip) Israel did not cross into any territory controlled by any Palestinian Government (Self-Governing). I suppose that you are really talking about the Sovereign Jordanian Territory annexed in 1950 and the Egyptian Military Governate (the Gazza Strip).

I disregard any reference to the All Palestine Government (APG) which the Egyptians disestablished the APG in 1959.

All Palestine Government (APG)​

In 1959, Gamal Abdel Nasser officially annulled the All-Palestine Government by decree, reasoning that the All-Palestine Government had failed to successfully advance the Palestinian cause. At that time, Amin al-Husayni moved from Egypt to Lebanon.​

So you see, I am a bit confused. The Gaza Strip is a moot point. The Gaza Strip was abandoned in a unilateral withdrawal. In the 1967 Six-Day War, when Israel Forces pursued Jordanian Force up to the Jordan River. You could make an argument that srael took the West Bank by Force, but even that became a moot point when the Jordanians cut all ties with their former territorial holdings in 1988. You could make an argument that this action effectively shifted the territory to a Terra Nullius status.

No matter what YOU think was mishandled in 1948, 1949, 1950, 1988, 1972, and 1993, the fact of the matter is that Israel is entitled to have its existence recognized. The recognition of the existence of the State of Israel merely signifies that it has all the rights and duties which arise out of international law.

Oddly enough, the Palestiniians sent a letter of recognition to Israel in 1993. That recognition is irrevocable.

Most Respectfully,
R


◈ Article 2(4) UN Charter All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner
inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

◈ UN Resolution A/RES/194 (III) 11 December 1948 • Palestine --- Progress Report of the United Nations Mediator

◈ CONVENTION ON RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF STATES Signed at Montevideo, December 26, 1933

◈ The Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP)(A/RES/61/295) is a legally non-binding resolution passed by the United Nations in 2007. It delineates and defines the individual and collective rights of Indigenous peoples, including their ownership rights to cultural and ceremonial expression, identity, language, employment, health, education, and other issues.…

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hamas Charter. You can deny it but that doesn't make it go away.

Israel should ignore the Hamas charter like it ignores the UN Charter.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Israel should ignore the Hamas charter like it ignores the UN Charter.

Hamas does not let Israel forget the Hamas Charter.
Hamas is working very hard to make it come true.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I suppose that you are really talking about the Sovereign Jordanian Territory annexed in 1950 and the Egyptian Military Governate (the Gazza Strip).

Jordan did not annex the West Bank. It is illegal to annex occupied territory.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Jordan did not annex the West Bank. It is illegal to annex occupied territory.

Jordan wanted to annex it. No one would allow them.

In 1925 the Hashemites took 78% of the Mandate for the Jewish homeland.

In 1948 the Hashemites took Judea and Samaria to add to the 78% of the Mandate.

In 1967 the Hashemites wanted more. Instead they lost what they took in 1948.

There is justice in this world.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oddly enough, the Palestiniians sent a letter of recognition to Israel in 1993. That recognition is irrevocable.

The US recognized Palestine with its trade agreement in1932 and court rulings. Is that recognition irrevocable?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Amid protests from some Labour MPs, an amendment tabled by former Communities Minister Rob Jenrick has been passed with the government support to stop local authority pension funds from backing BDS sanctions against UK companies connected with Israel.

The move comes on the day Hertfordshire County Council rejected a bid to divest millions from companies linked to Israel and in advance of a BDS vote by Wirral council promoted by expelled Labour councillor Jo Bird.

Changes to the Pensions Service Pensions and Judicial Offices Bill will give the Local Government Secretary new powers to direct Local Government Pension Funds not to make decisions that conflict with government foreign and defence policy.

It comes after the Supreme Court, in May, 2020, overruled a previous attempt by the government to curb BDS in Britain at the end of a four-year legal battle bought by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign.

At the time, the government said it was committed to stopping “local boycotts” from being introduced.

Speaking in the Commons, Mr Jenrick said public sector pensions, paid for by the taxpayer and underwritten by the government, were “quite clearly the preserve of the state” and it was “perfectly legitimate” for the government to have a say in how they were regulated.

He added: “For too long we have seen public pension schemes pursue pseudo foreign policies and all too often the foreign policy of these public pension schemes is I’m afraid, exclusively focused on re-writing the UK’s relationship with the world’s only Jewish state, Israel.

“The latest example of the politicisation of public pension schemes is by Wirral Council who are currently considering releasing almost £5m within investments in seven companies. This pet project of a small minority who seek to hijack the money of hard working taxpayers for their own political ends is of no interest to the public pension holders of the Wirral…”

Branding BDS campaigners a “minority of an extreme and well organised clique” he said: “You don’t have to look very hard to find a pattern of antisemitic behaviour in connection with campaigns promoting a boycott of Israel. Successive studies have shown the single best statistical predictor of anti-Jewish hostility is the amount of BDS activity…”

(full article online)

https://www.thejc.com/news/news/government-takes-first-historic-step-to-ban-bds-in-britain-3PwdQKkL5Kqg9FlohA5pQW

 

[P F Tinmore]

No matter what YOU think was mishandled in 1948, 1949, 1950, 1988, 1972, and 1993, the fact of the matter is that Israel is entitled to have its existence recognized.

Only if you duck my question.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Branding BDS campaigners a “minority of an extreme and well organised clique” he said: “You don’t have to look very hard to find a pattern of antisemitic behaviour in connection with campaigns promoting a boycott of Israel.

When you are out of bullets, play the antisemite card.

 

[fncceo]

Jordan did not annex the West Bank. It is illegal to annex occupied territory.

The Jordanian annexation of the West Bank formally occurred on 24 April 1950...

Jordanian annexation of the West Bank - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[P F Tinmore]

Amid protests from some Labour MPs, an amendment tabled by former Communities Minister Rob Jenrick has been passed with the government support to stop local authority pension funds from backing BDS sanctions against UK companies connected with Israel.

The move comes on the day Hertfordshire County Council rejected a bid to divest millions from companies linked to Israel and in advance of a BDS vote by Wirral council promoted by expelled Labour councillor Jo Bird.

Changes to the Pensions Service Pensions and Judicial Offices Bill will give the Local Government Secretary new powers to direct Local Government Pension Funds not to make decisions that conflict with government foreign and defence policy.

It comes after the Supreme Court, in May, 2020, overruled a previous attempt by the government to curb BDS in Britain at the end of a four-year legal battle bought by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign.

At the time, the government said it was committed to stopping “local boycotts” from being introduced.

Speaking in the Commons, Mr Jenrick said public sector pensions, paid for by the taxpayer and underwritten by the government, were “quite clearly the preserve of the state” and it was “perfectly legitimate” for the government to have a say in how they were regulated.

He added: “For too long we have seen public pension schemes pursue pseudo foreign policies and all too often the foreign policy of these public pension schemes is I’m afraid, exclusively focused on re-writing the UK’s relationship with the world’s only Jewish state, Israel.

“The latest example of the politicisation of public pension schemes is by Wirral Council who are currently considering releasing almost £5m within investments in seven companies. This pet project of a small minority who seek to hijack the money of hard working taxpayers for their own political ends is of no interest to the public pension holders of the Wirral…”

Branding BDS campaigners a “minority of an extreme and well organised clique” he said: “You don’t have to look very hard to find a pattern of antisemitic behaviour in connection with campaigns promoting a boycott of Israel. Successive studies have shown the single best statistical predictor of anti-Jewish hostility is the amount of BDS activity…”

(full article online)

https://www.thejc.com/news/news/government-takes-first-historic-step-to-ban-bds-in-britain-3PwdQKkL5Kqg9FlohA5pQW

It comes after the Supreme Court, in May, 2020, overruled a previous attempt by the government to curb BDS in Britain at the end of a four-year legal battle bought by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Jordanian annexation of the West Bank formally occurred on 24 April 1950...

Jordanian annexation of the West Bank - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The West Bank was formally annexed on 24 April 1950, but the annexation was widely considered as illegal and void by most of the international community.[6] A month afterwards, the Arab League declared that they viewed the area "annexed by Jordan as a trust in its hands until the Palestine case is fully solved in the interests of its inhabitants."

 

[P F Tinmore]

You have to be just a little closer to the mark here. You have to tell me what territory and what citation you are using.

1948. UN Charter.

 

[P F Tinmore]

In 1925 the Hashemites took 78% of the Mandate for the Jewish homeland.

That was on 1922. Palestine did not become a state until 1924.

 

[Sixties Fan]

That was on 1922. Palestine did not become a state until 1924.

Delusional.
Palestine was not to become a State for anybody.

The Mandate for Palestine, regardless of your endless refusal to acknowledge it, was to legally become the rebuilding of the Jewish Nation ON Jewish soil, ancient land.

In 1925, Jordan expelled all the Jews from TranJordan.

You prefer to forget or wipe out those details.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You could make an argument that srael took the West Bank by Force, but even that became a moot point when the Jordanians cut all ties with their former territorial holdings in 1988. You could make an argument that this action effectively shifted the territory to a Terra Nullius status.

A territory defined by internationalist borders and whose residents have citizenship is not terra nullius.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine was not to become a State for anybody.

Link?

Of course not.