is lsrael an apartheid state?

[TheParser]

This is what I have read about Israel.

1. The overwhelming majority of the people are Jewish.

2. The Palestinians who live there have representation in Israel's government.

3. Some people from sub-Sahara Africa have taken refuge there, and the Israeli government has offered them generous compensation to leave Israel.

4. In my opinion (since the OP asked us):

a. It does not matter if some groups use the word "apartheid" to describe Israel.
b. Israel was founded as a safe zone for Jewish people.
c. Israel should avoid becoming like the United States with its racial problems.

 

[John09]

Annexation is not the same as apartheid.

I never said it was. I maintain that Israel is an apartheid because of it's policies in the West Bank as well as some related to Palestinians who are Israeli citizens.

Read how the Jordanians did it. Do have a problem with that?

Jordanian Annexation of the West Bank (April 1950)

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Not going to read it, not interested. I'm answering the question in the thread's title.

Again, carry on denying the undeniable.

 

[expat500]

Not going to read it, not interested

A pity. It was well worth the read.

I maintain that Israel is an apartheid because of its policies in the West Bank as well as some related to Palestinians who are Israeli citizens.

Well you’re wrong.

And please explain how Palestinians could be Israeli citizens. You mean Arabs don’t you? Some of whom are in the Knesset and the IDF. As well as doctors and nurses working side by side with Jews in Israeli hospitals. How is that possible under apartheid?

 

[rosends]

OVER THE LAST year, there has been an ongoing public debate as to whether the actions the Israeli government is enacting in the Occupied Palestinian Territories can be classified as apartheid under international law...

As the former Attorney General of Israel, I have spent my career analysing Israel’s most pressing legal questions. It is with great sadness that I must also conclude that my country has sunk to such political and moral depths that it is now an apartheid regime. It is time for the international community to recognise this reality as well...

Between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, it is Israel that is permanently depriving millions of Palestinians of their civil and political rights. This is Israeli apartheid.

Michael Benyair is a former Attorney General of Israel and a former acting judge in the Israeli Supreme Court.

Former AG of Israel: With great sadness I conclude that my country is now an apartheid regime

Michael Benyair, former Attorney General of Israel, agrees with Amnesty International.

www.thejournal.ie

I'll take his word over that of randos on the internets, thankyouverymuch.

Why do you choose to take his statement over any other like

Why Allegations that Israel Is An 'Apartheid' State Are False under International Law

One of the most highly charged accusations aimed at the State of Israel today is that Israel is an “apartheid” State that engages in widespread, state-sanctione

papers.ssrn.com

or this one from a South African

Israel is not an apartheid state, former South African defense minister says

Mosiuoa Lekota: "In Israel, you won't find the same divisions between Jews and non-Jews that we used to witness during apartheid."

www.jpost.com

or this South African

Why Israel is not an Apartheid state, despite what you are hearing | Opinion

***

www.haaretz.com

here's one with lots of footnotes

Apartheid Slander | StandWithUs

Why the claim of "apartheid" is inaccurate and harmful.

www.standwithus.com

how about hearing from an Arab Israeli politician?

Arab party leader in Israel rejects 'apartheid' label

JERUSALEM (AP) — The head of an Arab party in Israel who made history last year by joining the governing coalition said Thursday he would not use the word “apartheid” to describe relations between Jews and Arabs within the country.

apnews.com

but I guess you'll just read the opinions you agree with.

 

[John09]

A pity. It was well worth the read.



Well you’re wrong.

And please explain how Palestinians could be Israeli citizens. You mean Arabs don’t you? Some of whom are in the Knesset and the IDF. As well as doctors and nurses working side by side with Jews in Israeli hospitals. How is that possible under apartheid?

Apologies, yes, Israeli Arabs. As if Blacks did not work in the same places as Afrikaners. I'm not saying that every policy in Apartheid SA exists but I am saying Israeli is apartheid.

 

[John09]

Why do you choose to take his statement over any other like

Why Allegations that Israel Is An 'Apartheid' State Are False under International Law

One of the most highly charged accusations aimed at the State of Israel today is that Israel is an “apartheid” State that engages in widespread, state-sanctione

papers.ssrn.com

or this one from a South African

Israel is not an apartheid state, former South African defense minister says

Mosiuoa Lekota: "In Israel, you won't find the same divisions between Jews and non-Jews that we used to witness during apartheid."

www.jpost.com

or this South African

Why Israel is not an Apartheid state, despite what you are hearing | Opinion

***

www.haaretz.com

here's one with lots of footnotes

Apartheid Slander | StandWithUs

Why the claim of "apartheid" is inaccurate and harmful.

www.standwithus.com

how about hearing from an Arab Israeli politician?

Arab party leader in Israel rejects 'apartheid' label

JERUSALEM (AP) — The head of an Arab party in Israel who made history last year by joining the governing coalition said Thursday he would not use the word “apartheid” to describe relations between Jews and Arabs within the country.

apnews.com

I've read other similar pieces in the past and came to my conclusion.

but I guess you'll just read the opinions you agree with.

You're welcome to your assumptions.

 

[John09]

BTW, here's something more about Palestinians in Israel.

Overall, Palestinian Israelis have a more precarious political status than their Jewish counterparts because, as Amnesty International notes, Palestinian and Jewish citizens have different legal statuses: “Whilst they are granted citizenship, Palestinian citizens of Israel are denied a nationality, establishing a legal differentiation from Jewish Israelis.” This distinction matters because policies related to issues such as immigration are tied to nationality rather than citizenship.

“When it comes to poverty, housing, getting permits to build houses, to equal rights when it comes to school education, everything, we are being treated as worse than second-class citizens,” Tamar Nafar, a Palestinian with Israeli citizenship, previously told ABC News...
Those arguing that Israel practices apartheid point to the passage of a 2018 law known as the “nation-state law” as well as multiple statements that Israeli leaders have made emphasizing that they seek to prioritize the rights of Israeli Jewish residents in the region over those of other groups.

That law — which was widely criticized by Palestinians and liberal Israeli Jews as undemocratic — explicitly stated that the right to “national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people.” That line underscored the reality that there was no political appetite for a one-state solution in which Palestinians and Israelis were treated equally, and its critics argued it made plain that Palestinians are second-class citizens.

Additionally, the law said that “the state views Jewish settlement as a national value and will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development,” while downgrading Arabic from its designation as an official language. These tenets were also interpreted as legally treating Palestinian citizens different from their Jewish counterparts.

The argument that Israel practices apartheid, explained

Some human rights groups have reached this conclusion based on how the crime is defined in international law.

www.vox.com

 

[expat500]

ut I am saying Israeli is apartheid.

Whatever makes you happy.

 

[John09]

Whatever makes you happy.

I'm looking at facts, not illogical platitudes. And seeing Israeli apartheid, doesn't make me happy.

 

[expat500]

I'm looking at facts, not illogical platitudes

Doesn’t seem that way to me.

 

[John09]

Doesn’t seem that way to me.

LOL, of course it wouldn't.

BTW, the apartheid is also being subsidized in part by American taxpayers so it's very much my business.

 

[expat500]

LOL, of course it wouldn't.

BTW, the apartheid is also being subsidized in part by American taxpayers so it's very much my business.

Goodbye.

 

[John09]

Whatever makes you happy.

Doesn’t seem that way to me.

BTW, editing inside quote boxes is not okay here upstairs.

 

[rosends]

I've read other similar pieces in the past and came to my conclusion.

Does you conclusion fit with the facts that the various sites I listed present?

You're welcome to your assumptions.

Not an assumption. You wrote "Not going to read it, not interested" when presented with something that argued with your narrative.

 

[John09]

Does you conclusion fit with the facts that the various sites I listed present?

I just quoted/cited one of those I've read.

Not an assumption. You wrote "Not going to read it, not interested" when presented with something that argued with your narrative.

It's not a "narrative" but an opinion I reached. l also wrote "I've read other similar pieces in the past and came to my conclusion."

I'm not going to trawl through a bunch of sites you cited. Quote relevant excerpts from those sites you want me to read. What I wrote doesn't mean I don't read other sites that disagree with my opinion, so it is an assumption.

 

[expat500]

BTW, editing inside quote boxes is not okay here upstairs.

Report me. You know you want to.

 

[John09]

Report me. You know you want to.

Nope, not interested and don't want to.

You keep being you.

 

[expat500]

Nope, not interested and don't want to.

As you just demonstrated.

 

[John09]

As you just demonstrated.

I merely pointed out that it's not okay. I didn't report you as you suggested, which you did because you know editing inside the quote box is not done in this neighborhood. Like I said, you be you.

Goodbye.

 

[Shusha]

BTW, here's something more about Palestinians in Israel.

Overall, Palestinian Israelis have a more precarious political status than their Jewish counterparts because, as Amnesty International notes, Palestinian and Jewish citizens have different legal statuses: “Whilst they are granted citizenship, Palestinian citizens of Israel are denied a nationality, establishing a legal differentiation from Jewish Israelis.” This distinction matters because policies related to issues such as immigration are tied to nationality rather than citizenship.

“When it comes to poverty, housing, getting permits to build houses, to equal rights when it comes to school education, everything, we are being treated as worse than second-class citizens,” Tamar Nafar, a Palestinian with Israeli citizenship, previously told ABC News...
Those arguing that Israel practices apartheid point to the passage of a 2018 law known as the “nation-state law” as well as multiple statements that Israeli leaders have made emphasizing that they seek to prioritize the rights of Israeli Jewish residents in the region over those of other groups.

That law — which was widely criticized by Palestinians and liberal Israeli Jews as undemocratic — explicitly stated that the right to “national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people.” That line underscored the reality that there was no political appetite for a one-state solution in which Palestinians and Israelis were treated equally, and its critics argued it made plain that Palestinians are second-class citizens.

Additionally, the law said that “the state views Jewish settlement as a national value and will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development,” while downgrading Arabic from its designation as an official language. These tenets were also interpreted as legally treating Palestinian citizens different from their Jewish counterparts.

The argument that Israel practices apartheid, explained

Some human rights groups have reached this conclusion based on how the crime is defined in international law.

www.vox.com

You are conflating national self-determination (the right to have a nation) with citizenship.