Boy Scouts Vote To End Ban On Gay Leaders Facing litigation, the Boy Scouts of America voted to end

[Katzndogz]

I doubt that homosexual men are more likely to be child molesters. They are more likely to be sympathetic to child molesters and see molestation as just another sexual orientation.

They are also more likely to see young gay boys molesting even younger straight boys as innocent flirting.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Nope, they are more likely to molest children. It's been proven by stats.

And of course boys are more likely to be molested by men in the family, men make up over 90% of all child molesters. Nobody is disputing that.

 

[rightwinger]

Homosexuals are more likely to be victims than perpetrators

 

[airplanemechanic]

Proof? Stats?

 

[Derideo_Te]

While it's logical that all homosexuals are not child molesters, some child child molesters are homosexual. Some child molesters are also straight.

As a percentage of population vs percentage of child molesters, homosexual men make up an extrodinarily high amount of the child molesting group. The disproportionate numbers suggest that homosexuals are more likely to molest children than straight men.

Too bad the facts prove you wrong!

The proportions of heterosexual and homosexual pedophiles among sex offenders against children an exploratory study. - PubMed - NCBI

Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. ​

Heterosexuals are 11 times as likely to be pedophiles as homosexuals.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Homosexuals more likely to molest kids study reports

"You're looking at a much higher rate of abuse," said Reisman, a former university research professor who recently completed a study titled, "Crafting Gay Children." "The Department of Justice just released data and the rate of abuse are off the charts."

But Reisman points to figures from a 1991 population study by the U.S. Department of Commerce.



It showed that 8 million girls were abused by age 18 by heterosexual men, a ratio of 1 victim to 11 adult men. However, 6-8 million boys were abused by age 18 by 1-2 million adult homosexuals, a ratio of 3-5 victims for every gay adult.

Can't argue with the numbers, homosexuals are 3 times as likely to molest boys as straight men.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Homosexuals more likely to molest kids study reports

"You're looking at a much higher rate of abuse," said Reisman, a former university research professor who recently completed a study titled, "Crafting Gay Children." "The Department of Justice just released data and the rate of abuse are off the charts."

But Reisman points to figures from a 1991 population study by the U.S. Department of Commerce.



It showed that 8 million girls were abused by age 18 by heterosexual men, a ratio of 1 victim to 11 adult men. However, 6-8 million boys were abused by age 18 by 1-2 million adult homosexuals, a ratio of 3-5 victims for every gay adult.

Can't argue with the numbers, homosexuals are 3 times as likely to molest boys as straight men.

BZZZT Wrong!

Your source has a fundamentalist religious bias and therefore lacks credibility.

My source comes from the US National Library of Medicine and the National Institutes of Health which contain credible peer reviewed scientific studies.

 

[airplanemechanic]

My source comes from the DOJ you wombat. Religious bias means nothing if you cite other sources. It wasn't a blog, it was an article with research.

They quoted the DOJ.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/163390.pdf

Multiple studies quoted:

You can't deny it. They make up 1% of the population yet make up 30% of the molesters.

For example: In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a ten-state study of sex abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199 cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male teachers had molested boys and four female homosexual teachers had molested girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.

Dr. Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences, describes the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. This researcher compared the molestation rates of self-confessed homosexual and heterosexual child molesters. In a sample of 153 homosexual molesters, they confessed to a total of 22,981 molestations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molester. Self-admitted heterosexual molesters admitted to 4,435 molestations. This comes to 19.8 victims per molester. Dr. Abel concluded that homosexuals “sexually molest young boys at an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls.”

This high rate of molestations by homosexuals is consistent with other studies conducted during the past several decades. Here are just a few studies that show homosexuals molesting children at epidemic rates:

The Los Angeles Times conducted a survey in 1985 of 2,628 adults across the U.S. Of those, 27% of the women and 16% of the men had been sexually molested. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men had been molested by adults of the same sex. This means that 40% of child molestations were by homosexuals. (Los Angeles Times, August 25-6, 1985)

In 1984, a Vermont survey of 161 adolescents who were sex offenders found that 35 of them were homosexuals (22%). (Wasserman, J., “Adolescent Sex Offenders—Vermont, 1984” Journal American Medical Association, 1986; 255:181-2)

In 1991, of the 100 child molesters at the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third were bisexual, and a third were homosexual. (Dr. Raymond Knight, “Differential Prevalence of Personality Disorders in Rapists and Child Molesters,” Eastern Psychological Association Conference, New York, April 12, 1991)

Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of the sex offenders were homosexual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36% of the molesters were homosexuals. (Freund, K. “Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,” Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy, 1984; 10:193-200)

From these studies and many more, it is evident that homosexuals molest children at a far greater rate than do their heterosexual counterparts.While they comprise only 1-2% of the population, they are responsible for upwards of a third or more of all sexual molestations of children.

 

[Derideo_Te]

My source comes from the DOJ you wombat. Religious bias means nothing if you cite other sources. It wasn't a blog, it was an article with research.

They quoted the DOJ.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/163390.pdf

For example: In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a ten-state study of sex abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199 cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male teachers had molested boys and four female homosexual teachers had molested girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.

Dr. Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences, describes the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. This researcher compared the molestation rates of self-confessed homosexual and heterosexual child molesters. In a sample of 153 homosexual molesters, they confessed to a total of 22,981 molestations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molester. Self-admitted heterosexual molesters admitted to 4,435 molestations. This comes to 19.8 victims per molester. Dr. Abel concluded that homosexuals “sexually molest young boys at an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls.”

This high rate of molestations by homosexuals is consistent with other studies conducted during the past several decades. Here are just a few studies that show homosexuals molesting children at epidemic rates:

The Los Angeles Times conducted a survey in 1985 of 2,628 adults across the U.S. Of those, 27% of the women and 16% of the men had been sexually molested. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men had been molested by adults of the same sex. This means that 40% of child molestations were by homosexuals. (Los Angeles Times, August 25-6, 1985)

In 1984, a Vermont survey of 161 adolescents who were sex offenders found that 35 of them were homosexuals (22%). (Wasserman, J., “Adolescent Sex Offenders—Vermont, 1984” Journal American Medical Association, 1986; 255:181-2)

In 1991, of the 100 child molesters at the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third were bisexual, and a third were homosexual. (Dr. Raymond Knight, “Differential Prevalence of Personality Disorders in Rapists and Child Molesters,” Eastern Psychological Association Conference, New York, April 12, 1991)

Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of the sex offenders were homosexual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36% of the molesters were homosexuals. (Freund, K. “Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,” Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy, 1984; 10:193-200)

From these studies and many more, it is evident that homosexuals molest children at a far greater rate than do their heterosexual counterparts.While they comprise only 1-2% of the population, they are responsible for upwards of a third or more of all sexual molestations of children.

Your link does not support the cherry picked biased study from your religious website.

 

[Iceweasel]

While it's logical that all homosexuals are not child molesters, some child child molesters are homosexual. Some child molesters are also straight. Not much to be done about it but wait and observe. If something happens to one of these kids at the hands of one of these dudes, maybe let's not let him survive to go to court. Just wondering what the latest repercussions to the latest progressively naive decisions made on America will be.

Actually the large majority of pedophiles are heterosexual.

While most pedophiles are heterosexual we don't see the boy scouts writing policy that excludes heterosexuals from being leaders.

Seems to me the logical thing to do would be to exclude the largest group that are pedophiles yet they allow the largest group to be leaders.

Why isn't there a campaign to prevent the largest group of pedophiles to be involved with young boys?

Oh that's right, they're heterosexual and it's ok for heterosexuals to be the largest group of pedophiles.

The board genius weighs in once again. Heterosexuals outnumber gays by overwhelming numbers. Maybe 3% of the population is gay. And we don't go after child molesters?

It's sick because we don't have men taking care of young girls around the clock. But it's OK if homosexual men take care of boys? This shows how far down we've slid as a society. Anyone with any sense will get their kid out of the Boy Scouts, the Gaystapo has spread its' feces on another target.

 

[martybegan]

That's the same "freedom" you assholes want to give to bakers, photographers, and anyone else who disagrees with you.

And it is force, or it will become so when the lawsuits start flying.

You assholes can't accept anyone different than you, and you use government to make it that way. You are all miserable excuses for human beings.

That is the way things work with public accommodation

"We don't serve negroes here " is no longer acceptable regardless of your personal beliefs or hatreds

Boy Scouts are not a public accommodation, and neither is a contracted baker or photographer.

The Boy Scouts are a private organization and are setting their own rules. How can you object to that?

They are doing it under duress. Plus the change they made will not be enough for nosy busybody asshats such as yourself. The result will be religious groups being forced to either accept gay volunteer leaders in their sponsored troops, or quitting scouts.

Again, you don't favor equality, you favor superiority.

The BSA is a private organization. The Supreme Court said they can make their own rules. They have been dragging their feet on this for over a decade and are finally recognizing reality. Gays are accepted in America.
Some religious groups have still not accepted that fact. They can either accept it or drop their scouting program. Just like BSA made a choice, those churches can make a choice. Nobody is holding a gun to their head

Gays are accepted by some Americans, tolerated by more. Stop speaking for other people.

The gun will come later, when gays start suing the troops that don't want them as leaders.

 

[martybegan]

it won't end at allow, and you know it.

You mean they will force everyone to be gay?

Damned gay agenda

No they will force troops sponsored by religious organizations to accept gay volunteer leaders, even if that goes against the religious tenets of said organization.

Deny it all you like, make light of it all you like, but you know it's going to happen.

BSA wasn't forced to do anything. They changed their policy of their own free will. This is something you advocate for on a regular basis...let business decide, not government.

Government has been part of the duress being applied to them and you know it. And their change won't be enough. I actually have no issue with the current change, but again, it won't be enough for miserable twats such as yourself. You will now go after troops that want to keep the ban in place for their own troops.

You mean like duress up until the 60's were children who were non christers were made to feel as outsiders in school when goyim prayers were recited in public schools funny how things evolve? No?

So its revenge then, right?

Figures from a no talent assclown such as yourself.

 

[martybegan]

it won't end at allow, and you know it.

You mean they will force everyone to be gay?

Damned gay agenda

No they will force troops sponsored by religious organizations to accept gay volunteer leaders, even if that goes against the religious tenets of said organization.

Deny it all you like, make light of it all you like, but you know it's going to happen.

BSA wasn't forced to do anything. They changed their policy of their own free will. This is something you advocate for on a regular basis...let business decide, not government.

Government has been part of the duress being applied to them and you know it. And their change won't be enough. I actually have no issue with the current change, but again, it won't be enough for miserable twats such as yourself. You will now go after troops that want to keep the ban in place for their own troops.

Sure, but not legally. The BSA already won at the SCOTUS, the right to discriminate. They would get pressure, but it's the "free market" kind ya'll like.

You twits are sue happy, so pretty soon a lawsuit will be made, and local troops will not have the $$ to fight them.

 

[martybegan]

it won't end at allow, and you know it.

You mean they will force everyone to be gay?

Damned gay agenda

No they will force troops sponsored by religious organizations to accept gay volunteer leaders, even if that goes against the religious tenets of said organization.

Deny it all you like, make light of it all you like, but you know it's going to happen.

BSA wasn't forced to do anything. They changed their policy of their own free will. This is something you advocate for on a regular basis...let business decide, not government.

Government has been part of the duress being applied to them and you know it. And their change won't be enough. I actually have no issue with the current change, but again, it won't be enough for miserable twats such as yourself. You will now go after troops that want to keep the ban in place for their own troops.

The only miserable **** I see is you.

Next time come up with your own retort instead of repeating my description of you, you vacuous load of toad-spittle.

 

[martybegan]

You mean they will force everyone to be gay?

Damned gay agenda

No they will force troops sponsored by religious organizations to accept gay volunteer leaders, even if that goes against the religious tenets of said organization.

Deny it all you like, make light of it all you like, but you know it's going to happen.

BSA wasn't forced to do anything. They changed their policy of their own free will. This is something you advocate for on a regular basis...let business decide, not government.

Government has been part of the duress being applied to them and you know it. And their change won't be enough. I actually have no issue with the current change, but again, it won't be enough for miserable twats such as yourself. You will now go after troops that want to keep the ban in place for their own troops.

Sure, but not legally. The BSA already won at the SCOTUS, the right to discriminate. They would get pressure, but it's the "free market" kind ya'll like.

He knows about the SCOTUS ruling. I'm beginning to think Marty is a big phony.

How about you actually read my posts and my position that today's courts aren't worth jack squat?

 

[rightwinger]

That is the way things work with public accommodation

"We don't serve negroes here " is no longer acceptable regardless of your personal beliefs or hatreds

Boy Scouts are not a public accommodation, and neither is a contracted baker or photographer.

The Boy Scouts are a private organization and are setting their own rules. How can you object to that?

They are doing it under duress. Plus the change they made will not be enough for nosy busybody asshats such as yourself. The result will be religious groups being forced to either accept gay volunteer leaders in their sponsored troops, or quitting scouts.

Again, you don't favor equality, you favor superiority.

The BSA is a private organization. The Supreme Court said they can make their own rules. They have been dragging their feet on this for over a decade and are finally recognizing reality. Gays are accepted in America.
Some religious groups have still not accepted that fact. They can either accept it or drop their scouting program. Just like BSA made a choice, those churches can make a choice. Nobody is holding a gun to their head

Gays are accepted by some Americans, tolerated by more. Stop speaking for other people.

The gun will come later, when gays start suing the troops that don't want them as leaders.

Volunteer leader? Never happened before. I haven't seen women sue to become Boy Scout Leaders

If you don't want your son in scouts, don't send him.

 

[martybegan]

Boy Scouts are not a public accommodation, and neither is a contracted baker or photographer.

The Boy Scouts are a private organization and are setting their own rules. How can you object to that?

They are doing it under duress. Plus the change they made will not be enough for nosy busybody asshats such as yourself. The result will be religious groups being forced to either accept gay volunteer leaders in their sponsored troops, or quitting scouts.

Again, you don't favor equality, you favor superiority.

The BSA is a private organization. The Supreme Court said they can make their own rules. They have been dragging their feet on this for over a decade and are finally recognizing reality. Gays are accepted in America.
Some religious groups have still not accepted that fact. They can either accept it or drop their scouting program. Just like BSA made a choice, those churches can make a choice. Nobody is holding a gun to their head

Gays are accepted by some Americans, tolerated by more. Stop speaking for other people.

The gun will come later, when gays start suing the troops that don't want them as leaders.

Volunteer leader? Never happened before. I haven't seen women sue to become Boy Scout Leaders

If you don't want your son in scouts, don't send him.

If some group doesn't want a gay scout leader, they should just accept it and move on to another troop. Why should a persons involvement in scouting be related to their approval of a homosexual lifestyle?

 

[rightwinger]

The Boy Scouts are a private organization and are setting their own rules. How can you object to that?

They are doing it under duress. Plus the change they made will not be enough for nosy busybody asshats such as yourself. The result will be religious groups being forced to either accept gay volunteer leaders in their sponsored troops, or quitting scouts.

Again, you don't favor equality, you favor superiority.

The BSA is a private organization. The Supreme Court said they can make their own rules. They have been dragging their feet on this for over a decade and are finally recognizing reality. Gays are accepted in America.
Some religious groups have still not accepted that fact. They can either accept it or drop their scouting program. Just like BSA made a choice, those churches can make a choice. Nobody is holding a gun to their head

Gays are accepted by some Americans, tolerated by more. Stop speaking for other people.

The gun will come later, when gays start suing the troops that don't want them as leaders.

Volunteer leader? Never happened before. I haven't seen women sue to become Boy Scout Leaders

If you don't want your son in scouts, don't send him.

If some group doesn't want a gay scout leader, they should just accept it and move on to another troop. Why should a persons involvement in scouting be related to their approval of a homosexual lifestyle?

Because you are the one being offended

Same applied to troops accepting "negroes" and people not wanting their sons in a troop led by a negro

Society changes

 

[martybegan]

They are doing it under duress. Plus the change they made will not be enough for nosy busybody asshats such as yourself. The result will be religious groups being forced to either accept gay volunteer leaders in their sponsored troops, or quitting scouts.

Again, you don't favor equality, you favor superiority.

The BSA is a private organization. The Supreme Court said they can make their own rules. They have been dragging their feet on this for over a decade and are finally recognizing reality. Gays are accepted in America.
Some religious groups have still not accepted that fact. They can either accept it or drop their scouting program. Just like BSA made a choice, those churches can make a choice. Nobody is holding a gun to their head

Gays are accepted by some Americans, tolerated by more. Stop speaking for other people.

The gun will come later, when gays start suing the troops that don't want them as leaders.

Volunteer leader? Never happened before. I haven't seen women sue to become Boy Scout Leaders

If you don't want your son in scouts, don't send him.

If some group doesn't want a gay scout leader, they should just accept it and move on to another troop. Why should a persons involvement in scouting be related to their approval of a homosexual lifestyle?

Because you are the one being offended

Same applied to troops accepting "negroes" and people not wanting their sons in a troop led by a negro

Society changes

Race and sexual orientation are not the same, no matter how much your side tries to make it so.

Society can change, but you forcing it to change by being assholes via the government is wrong, and that you don't see it is sad.

 

[rightwinger]

The BSA is a private organization. The Supreme Court said they can make their own rules. They have been dragging their feet on this for over a decade and are finally recognizing reality. Gays are accepted in America.
Some religious groups have still not accepted that fact. They can either accept it or drop their scouting program. Just like BSA made a choice, those churches can make a choice. Nobody is holding a gun to their head

Gays are accepted by some Americans, tolerated by more. Stop speaking for other people.

The gun will come later, when gays start suing the troops that don't want them as leaders.

Volunteer leader? Never happened before. I haven't seen women sue to become Boy Scout Leaders

If you don't want your son in scouts, don't send him.

If some group doesn't want a gay scout leader, they should just accept it and move on to another troop. Why should a persons involvement in scouting be related to their approval of a homosexual lifestyle?

Because you are the one being offended

Same applied to troops accepting "negroes" and people not wanting their sons in a troop led by a negro

Society changes

Race and sexual orientation are not the same, no matter how much your side tries to make it so.

Society can change, but you forcing it to change by being assholes via the government is wrong, and that you don't see it is sad.

When it comes to discrimination, they are the same

Who is being the asshole? The person passing rules and laws to discriminate against gays or the person protesting against those rules and laws?