Boy...14, shoots man to death...in Britain..

[HenryBHough]

Hey, our white old fart gun nuts say there are thousands, crime rocketing although the other side (unknown to our brave boys) says not
Is violent crime on the rise – or do the latest figures mask a different story? | Simon Jenkins
How many gun deaths were there in London last year?
TtWELVE ???

Only two possibilities in that:

1. The "TWELVE" is a lie.

2. Gun control doesn't prevent gun deaths.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Once again, repeating that nonsense, Rustic, does not make it true. Thinking people prepare using the best possible resource, and for the type of mass murder intended by the LV shooter, a whole bunch of modified weapons was the choice

 

[BULLDOG]

The UK is doing it right. We should be more like them.

In America gun free zones are the most gun violent.

Proof?

Yep, the blue is where the most people live.

Yes, People kill people not firearms. Firearms have no control over people. Gun Control has never been about firearms it’s all about control… LOL

It's about stopping people who shouldn't have guns from having guns.

 

[Rustic]

In America gun free zones are the most gun violent.

Proof?

Yep, the blue is where the most people live.

Yes, People kill people not firearms. Firearms have no control over people. Gun Control has never been about firearms it’s all about control… LOL

It's about stopping people who shouldn't have guns from having guns.

Criminals do not obey laws...
criminal control not gun control...

 

[rightwinger]

We have four times the murder rate as the UK
Confiscating guns seems to work

Yeah....and you pretend to not know the increasing gun crime rate in Britain after they banned and confiscated guns......gun control didn't work.....it only took guns away from normal people...the criminals keep using them for crime.

Increasing gun crime= more guns

 

[rightwinger]

So children.....the lesson is....If you can't stop ALL gun crime, you shouldn't try to stop any

Criminal control not gun control, firearms have no control over people. Dipshit

Why give criminals their weapons of choice?

 

[MyParentsAreProud]

We have four times the murder rate as the UK
Confiscating guns seems to work

Yeah....and you pretend to not know the increasing gun crime rate in Britain after they banned and confiscated guns......gun control didn't work.....it only took guns away from normal people...the criminals keep using them for crime.

Increasing gun crime= more guns

prove it

 

[rightwinger]

The more guns that make their way into England....the higher their murder rate

 

[2aguy]

We have four times the murder rate as the UK
Confiscating guns seems to work

Yeah....and you pretend to not know the increasing gun crime rate in Britain after they banned and confiscated guns......gun control didn't work.....it only took guns away from normal people...the criminals keep using them for crime.

Increasing gun crime= more guns

They banned guns...the only ones in Britain with guns are the criminals....

More guns in the hands of good people = less gun crime....as this country has shown over the last 20 years.

 

[2aguy]

The more guns that make their way into England....the higher their murder rate

And, of course, that isn't the truth...as we have shown over the last 20 years. More guns in the hands of criminals = more gun crime when you cut the police forces and take guns away from normal people...but as we did here, when more good people own and carry guns, along with the police actually being able to do their jobs = less gun crime...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We have four times the murder rate as the UK
Confiscating guns seems to work

Yeah....and you pretend to not know the increasing gun crime rate in Britain after they banned and confiscated guns......gun control didn't work.....it only took guns away from normal people...the criminals keep using them for crime.

Increasing gun crime= more guns

They banned guns...the only ones in Britain with guns are the criminals....

More guns in the hands of good people = less gun crime....as this country has shown over the last 20 years.

You bleat like a demented sheep.

How many gun deaths in the UK last year? How many in the US last year.

 

[2aguy]

View attachment 157309

30000 fire arm deaths in America. Yeah, that is a real problem.

No...it isn't a problem...accidental gun deaths in 2015... 489.....car accidental death, 35,000

Then you have the rest of the information...again, we have a criminal control problem, not a gun problem...

Gun suicide..

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015
Gun suicide...

22,018

Non Gun suicide...

22,078
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Gun Accidental death.....
2015

489

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Gun murder ( 70-80% of the victims of gun murder are actual criminals, not law abiding people)

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


2015--

9,616

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Suicide
...even though Japan, Korea, China, all have absolute gun control for law abiding citizens...only criminals and cops can have guns.......and they have higher suicide rates than we do....and our non-gun suicide rate has been higher than our gun suicide rate for 2 years in a row.....

Gun Accidental Death...

Gun accidents....in a country with over 320,000,000 people...... with 400,000,000 guns in private hands, and over 15,700,000 people carrying guns for self defense..... 489 accidental gun deaths....

Gun murder
Of the 9,616 gun murders in this country, 70-80% of the victims are criminals, engaged in criminal activity or part of the criminal life style....and of the remaining victims....many of them are friends and family of the criminal...caught up in the criminal's lifestyle.....

Non-fatal gun accidents....
WISQARS Nonfatal Injury Reports

CDC non fatal gun accident.....

2001.... 17,696

2002... 17,579

2003... 18,941

2004... 16,555

2005... 15,388

2006... 14,678

2007... 15,698

2008... 17,215

2009... 18,610

2010... 14,161

2011... 14,675

2012... 17,362

2013... 16,864

2014..... 15,928

2015... 17,311

 

[2aguy]

We have four times the murder rate as the UK
Confiscating guns seems to work

Yeah....and you pretend to not know the increasing gun crime rate in Britain after they banned and confiscated guns......gun control didn't work.....it only took guns away from normal people...the criminals keep using them for crime.

Increasing gun crime= more guns

They banned guns...the only ones in Britain with guns are the criminals....

More guns in the hands of good people = less gun crime....as this country has shown over the last 20 years.

You bleat like a demented sheep.

How many gun deaths in the UK last year? How many in the US last year.

Gun crime is going up.....their criminals don't use their guns to commit murder...yet.

They were told that if the normal people turned in their guns, their gun crime rate would go down, and their violent crime rate would go down. They gave up their guns...and their gun crime rate went up 89%...during the 10 years after the ban and keeps going up....42% in London alone last year...and their violent crime rate went up and keeps going up.....you guys lied to the British people....now they are victims of violent criminals with no way to protect themselves...

 

[2aguy]

In America gun free zones are the most gun violent.

Proof?

Yep, the blue is where the most people live.

Yes, People kill people not firearms. Firearms have no control over people. Gun Control has never been about firearms it’s all about control… LOL

It's about stopping people who shouldn't have guns from having guns.

And gun control doesn't do that.....as our gun murder rates show.......and as Britain's gun ban shows.....

 

[JakeStarkey]

2aguy continues to deny and cry.

He refuses to answer how many death by gun in the UK and the USA.

He has lost the argument.

 

[2aguy]

2aguy continues to deny and cry.

He refuses to answer how many death by gun in the UK and the USA.

He has lost the argument.

I have answered the gun murder question......our non gun murder number is higher than their total murder number......British Criminals, at this point in time, are not committing murder with or without guns....they are using guns more and more in Britain.....gun crime in London is up 42%.....they banned guns in Britain and their gun crime keeps going up and up.....

 

[JakeStarkey]

Once again, as an admission of his failure, 2aguy "refuses to answer how many death by gun in the UK and the USA.

He has lost the argument."

 

[2aguy]

Once again, as an admission of his failure, 2aguy "refuses to answer how many death by gun in the UK and the USA.

He has lost the argument."

No.....the Britain banned and confiscated guns on the promise it would lower the gun crime rate, the gun murder rate, the violent crime rate....they banned the guns....and what happened....? Gun crime went up....gun murder went up.....violent crime went up.....

This is what happened after they banned guns in Britain....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

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as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

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Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

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London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

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Arrests plunge by half in 10 years despite soaring crime rate

The new figures come just days after it was revealed the total number of crimes recorded year on year passed the 5 million mark for the first time in a decade.

In the year ending March 2017, only 11 per cent of crimes resulted in someone being charged. In almost half of all crimes (48 per cent) no suspects were identified.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...f-destruction-as-cowboy-builder-a3668551.html

Former home secretary David Blunkett claimed officers were more likely to give warnings rather than arrest people in a bid to avoid paperwork.


However, others have pointed to the pressure put on the dwindling number of officers, with a 13 per cent drop in numbers recorded by the Home Office between 2010 and 2016.

Lord Blunkett said: "Police are reluctant to arrest people because of the amount of paperwork involved, so officers are encouraged to give warnings rather than arrest people.

"That means people are on the street who might otherwise be prosecuted and it sends a signal that reverberates very quickly, leading criminals to think they can get away with it."

Campaigners have warned victims are losing confidence in police forces that increasingly treat crimes such as burglary and assault as minor incidents.
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Speaking to the Telegraph, David Green, chief executive of the Civitas think tank, said: "The police are unable to cope with the volume of crime, and the 20,000 drop in police numbers is bound to have made a difference."

 

[2aguy]

Once again, as an admission of his failure, 2aguy "refuses to answer how many death by gun in the UK and the USA.

He has lost the argument."

You want to focus on the gun murder rate in Britain because it has always been lower than the murder rate in the U.S.....so you can then say that their gun control laws worked....

This is a fail....they always had a low gun murder rate because their criminals didn't use guns to murder people......but what happened after they banned guns? Their gun murder rate went up......


Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

Because they had a low gun murder rate before they banned guns....and a smaller population, and a criminal population that hasn't been prone to commit murder....you think you can score points....

You can't. As the facts show. They banned guns, and the gun murder rate went up.....their gun control laws did not stop the gun murder rate from going up.

Gun control against law abiding people does not lower the crime rate...the gun crime rate, or the gun murder rate, since law abiding gun owners don't use their legal guns to commit murder....

And your real problem.......they are cutting police, they are cutting police money, they are hamstringing the police with stupid left wing policies...and their homicide rate is now going up.......they are also importing violent 3rd world criminals...who do commit murder...

So.....you are wrong on all counts...

 

[rightwinger]

We have four times the murder rate as the UK
Confiscating guns seems to work

Yeah....and you pretend to not know the increasing gun crime rate in Britain after they banned and confiscated guns......gun control didn't work.....it only took guns away from normal people...the criminals keep using them for crime.

Increasing gun crime= more guns

They banned guns...the only ones in Britain with guns are the criminals....

More guns in the hands of good people = less gun crime....as this country has shown over the last 20 years.

Since guns have increased so have murders

Just like here