Both Parties Suck

[Annie]

at least at the political class level. It's what makes me move away from both parties-they do the same things in different ways to the people, for their own power/money gains:

Senate GOP Jobs Bill Contains a Landmine for Federalism - By Carrie Severino - Bench Memos - National Review Online

Senate GOP Jobs Bill Contains a Landmine for Federalism
By Carrie Severino
Posted on October 18, 2011 10:57 AM


Douglas Holtz-Eakin offers three cheers for the “Jobs Through Growth Act,” the Senate Republican alternative to President Obama’s jobs bill...


On the upside, the bill would repeal the Obama administration’s two most aggressive assaults on the Constitution — Obamacare and Dodd-Frank — and “require congressional approval by joint resolution of any federal rule that would cost the economy $100 million or more.” ...


Unfortunately, the bill would also enact S.197, “The Medical Care Access Protection Act.” Among other things, S.197 sets a statute of limitations for claims, caps damages and creates standards for expert witnesses. These may sound like great ideas, but they are not within the constitutional powers granted to the federal government for the very same reasons Obamacare is not.


The law’s own justification for its constitutional authority should be chilling to anyone committed to limited federal power. The bill’s findings state that health care and health insurance are industries that “affect interstate commerce,” and conclude that Congress therefore has Commerce Clause power to regulate them — even when it involves an in-state transaction between a doctor and patient, governed by in-state medical malpractice laws. Is there any industry that couldn’t be found to have an effect on interstate commerce? The agriculture and manufacturing industries, long considered the paradigmatic areas not covered by the Commerce Clause, certainly fall under federal power under this broad analysis.


As Georgetown law professor Randy Barnett explains here, in a piece criticizing Republicans for their “fair-weather federalism, “tort law — the body of rules by which persons seek damages for injuries to their person and property — has always been regulated by states, not the federal government. Tort law is at the heart of what is called the ‘police power’ of states.” Of course, there are contexts — product liability, for example — in which states can take actions that set standards for the entire country, turning federalism on its head. (See Michael Krauss’s brief summary here.)


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[California Girl]

How very true.

Their politicians suck, and their drooling hordes suck for electing them.

 

[editec]

Basically I agree.

On the margins I find the Dem Party slightly less repugnant, but on the most important issues facing our nation?

They are basically on the same page

 

[jillian]

if they're exactly the same, then the rightwingnut obama deranged loons should mellow out.

 

[JamesInFlorida]

You either get screwed by the left, or screwed by the right. That's what a two-party system does. The minute ANY third party platform/person rises up, both parties immediately jump over them.

 

[JoeB131]

I think the thing is, both parties are so beholden to special interests that they can't address the real problems.

The real problems are all rooted in manufacturing and trade, but no one wants to address that.

The Republicans are against paying workers fair wages, so they support idiotic trade treaties that move the jobs overseas. The Democrats are so dedicated to snail darters and spotted owls that they don't realize we need a strong manufacturing base.

The result is that we've run trade deficits every year since 1976. Right now, it's up to 500 billion a year. Every year. For decades.

 

[California Girl]

if they're exactly the same, then the rightwingnut obama deranged loons should mellow out.

I think you missed the point... but left wingnuts do struggle with 'points'.

 

[Samson]

Indeed both Repub & Dems suck.



So, start your own party: We'll call it the "AnnieSamson party," and invite all disgruntled independants and anyone with an Octopus Fetish to join.

 

[Photonic]

Both parties have essentially ruined my chances of getting funding for the past 2 years. I have no sympathy for either side right now.

 

[JWBooth]

at least at the political class level. It's what makes me move away from both parties-they do the same things in different ways to the people, for their own power/money gains:

Senate GOP Jobs Bill Contains a Landmine for Federalism - By Carrie Severino - Bench Memos - National Review Online

Senate GOP Jobs Bill Contains a Landmine for Federalism
By Carrie Severino
Posted on October 18, 2011 10:57 AM


Douglas Holtz-Eakin offers three cheers for the “Jobs Through Growth Act,” the Senate Republican alternative to President Obama’s jobs bill...


On the upside, the bill would repeal the Obama administration’s two most aggressive assaults on the Constitution — Obamacare and Dodd-Frank — and “require congressional approval by joint resolution of any federal rule that would cost the economy $100 million or more.” ...


Unfortunately, the bill would also enact S.197, “The Medical Care Access Protection Act.” Among other things, S.197 sets a statute of limitations for claims, caps damages and creates standards for expert witnesses. These may sound like great ideas, but they are not within the constitutional powers granted to the federal government for the very same reasons Obamacare is not.


The law’s own justification for its constitutional authority should be chilling to anyone committed to limited federal power. The bill’s findings state that health care and health insurance are industries that “affect interstate commerce,” and conclude that Congress therefore has Commerce Clause power to regulate them — even when it involves an in-state transaction between a doctor and patient, governed by in-state medical malpractice laws. Is there any industry that couldn’t be found to have an effect on interstate commerce? The agriculture and manufacturing industries, long considered the paradigmatic areas not covered by the Commerce Clause, certainly fall under federal power under this broad analysis.


As Georgetown law professor Randy Barnett explains here, in a piece criticizing Republicans for their “fair-weather federalism, “tort law — the body of rules by which persons seek damages for injuries to their person and property — has always been regulated by states, not the federal government. Tort law is at the heart of what is called the ‘police power’ of states.” Of course, there are contexts — product liability, for example — in which states can take actions that set standards for the entire country, turning federalism on its head. (See Michael Krauss’s brief summary here.)


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Two faces on a two headed coin stamped from pot metal.

 

[Ropey]

I have a dream...

I dream that one day G-d will take the Democrats en masse, turn them upside down and shake the Europe out of them. Then the L-rd will take the Republicans en masse, turn them upside down and shake the large governing, sticking their nose in the legislation of lobbying business interests and inflating the deficits, etc. out of them.

And then their heads upside of each other. Maybe the resultant pain will allow them to hold onto each other and regain their balance.

That's my dream.

 

[paulitician]

The Democrat/Republican thing is only a myth. They're actually one political party. Their theatrics are just a show for the masses who don't know any better. They both get together and agree on who our next President will be. The Democrats will have the Presidency for another four years but the Republicans will regain the Presidency after that. This stuff has already been decided. So look for Obama to be re-elected. It's all just a rigged game in the end.

 

[auditor0007]

There are so many solutions available for most of the problems we face within our governmental system. If everyone that we elect would just get off of their high horse and actually come to the table with a willingness to accomplish something for the good of all Americans, then we would start to see things change. But when you have one side believing that we should have as limited a government as possible while others come to the table believing government is the answer to everything, there just isn't room for any middle ground. The dumb thing about it all is that most Americans fall somewhere in the middle, understanding that government does serve a useful purpose and that it is necessary, while understanding that it can't cure every ill. Unfortunately, we have allowed those who believe on the fringes of each side to run the show. The sooner Americans decide to bitch slap those on the far right and far left, the sooner we might see some progress.

 

[Avatar4321]

Yes. They both suck.

The solutions to this nation will not be found in parties. They will be found in the people.

 

[Skull Pilot]

if they're exactly the same, then the rightwingnut obama deranged loons should mellow out.

What about the loony lefty moonbats?

 

[paulitician]

Barack Obama came out of nowhere. There is still very little we know about him. He was a manufactured candidate. He was manufacured by the one party Demicans/Republicrats. Think about it...Half black,half white,half Muslim,half Christian,hates America,loves America,hates the rich,loves the rich,and so on. He was manufactured by the Party to please most of the masses. The next manufactured President will either be a woman or a hispanic male. It will probably be a woman President with a hispanic VP. There is no two party system and elections are not real. Just my own observation anyway.

 

[toxicmedia]

How very true.

Their politicians suck, and their drooling hordes suck for electing them.

Hehe....drooling hordes......so true....

.....but people who say "both parties suck.......BUT........." suck too.

 

[Photonic]

How very true.

Their politicians suck, and their drooling hordes suck for electing them.

Hehe....drooling hordes......so true....

.....but people who say "both parties suck.......BUT........." suck too.

Partisanship sucks.

 

[IndependntLogic]

at least at the political class level. It's what makes me move away from both parties-they do the same things in different ways to the people, for their own power/money gains:

Senate GOP Jobs Bill Contains a Landmine for Federalism - By Carrie Severino - Bench Memos - National Review Online

Senate GOP Jobs Bill Contains a Landmine for Federalism
By Carrie Severino
Posted on October 18, 2011 10:57 AM


Douglas Holtz-Eakin offers three cheers for the “Jobs Through Growth Act,” the Senate Republican alternative to President Obama’s jobs bill...


On the upside, the bill would repeal the Obama administration’s two most aggressive assaults on the Constitution — Obamacare and Dodd-Frank — and “require congressional approval by joint resolution of any federal rule that would cost the economy $100 million or more.” ...


Unfortunately, the bill would also enact S.197, “The Medical Care Access Protection Act.” Among other things, S.197 sets a statute of limitations for claims, caps damages and creates standards for expert witnesses. These may sound like great ideas, but they are not within the constitutional powers granted to the federal government for the very same reasons Obamacare is not.


The law’s own justification for its constitutional authority should be chilling to anyone committed to limited federal power. The bill’s findings state that health care and health insurance are industries that “affect interstate commerce,” and conclude that Congress therefore has Commerce Clause power to regulate them — even when it involves an in-state transaction between a doctor and patient, governed by in-state medical malpractice laws. Is there any industry that couldn’t be found to have an effect on interstate commerce? The agriculture and manufacturing industries, long considered the paradigmatic areas not covered by the Commerce Clause, certainly fall under federal power under this broad analysis.


As Georgetown law professor Randy Barnett explains here, in a piece criticizing Republicans for their “fair-weather federalism, “tort law — the body of rules by which persons seek damages for injuries to their person and property — has always been regulated by states, not the federal government. Tort law is at the heart of what is called the ‘police power’ of states.” Of course, there are contexts — product liability, for example — in which states can take actions that set standards for the entire country, turning federalism on its head. (See Michael Krauss’s brief summary here.)


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I agree completely. The Republicans suck. The Democrats suck. The Liberals suck. The Conservatives (whatever TF that means nowadays - hell just asking means you must be a Liberal! But no one has an answer...) suck. I am not seeing common sense or even sanity anywhere out there nowadays. Right Left Dem Repub Libertarian Tea Party OWS... there is just no one who stands out as the true leaders that have any strong, overall merit.

 

[Londoner]

We don't have parties.

We have corporations who fund elections and staff government. The drama between the parties is for public consumption. At the end of the day, Bush and Obama work for Big Oil, Health Insurance, Defense, Big Pharma, etc. If a politician misbehaves and votes for something that benefits the non-wealthy, that politician is removed in the next election cycle.

Follow the money.