Boston Globe calls for trump to be prosecuted

[Oldestyle]

I'm referring to the practice of mailing ballots to the last known address of voters. It's a recipe for voter fraud.

You know it's a felony for anybody but the people living at that address to take anything out of the mailbox.

How is it that you'd prove that felony took place, Postman? You're talking about thousands of ballots being mailed to thousands of addresses where a registered voter may or may not still reside. My point is that's a recipe for voter fraud. So why are we doing it?

 

[surada]

With all due respect, Postman...wasn't the entire aim of election changes by Democrats to make it virtually impossible to have a secure election?

You mean mail-in ballots?
Don't you trust the post office to securely deliver the mail?

I'm referring to the practice of mailing ballots to the last known address of voters. It's a recipe for voter fraud.

Have you voted by mail?

 

[Oldestyle]

With all due respect, Postman...wasn't the entire aim of election changes by Democrats to make it virtually impossible to have a secure election?

You mean mail-in ballots?
Don't you trust the post office to securely deliver the mail?

I'm referring to the practice of mailing ballots to the last known address of voters. It's a recipe for voter fraud.

Have you voted by mail?

I have. I requested a ballot. One was sent to me. I sent it back well in advance of the cut off date. That's completely different than the mass mailing of thousands of ballots that NOBODY has requested!

 

[postman]

If the Postal Service delivered ballots that were filled out by someone other than the person that SHOULD have been filling it out...does that make the ballot more legitimate?

The person filling it out has to be able to get their hands on the ballot, which would be risking a felony. Then to forge the signature of the voter, another felony.

Plus anybody filling out somebody elses ballot would have to have intimate knowledge of that person to forge their signature and credentials.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Then to forge the signature of the voter,

Signatures were being matched? Are you sure?

 

[Oldestyle]

If the Postal Service delivered ballots that were filled out by someone other than the person that SHOULD have been filling it out...does that make the ballot more legitimate?

The person filling it out has to be able to get their hands on the ballot, which would be risking a felony. Then to forge the signature of the voter, another felony.

Plus anybody filling out somebody elses ballot would have to have intimate knowledge of that person to forge their signature and credentials.

What "credentials"? It's obvious you've never seen a US ballot.

 

[postman]

That's completely different than the mass mailing of thousands of ballots that NOBODY has requested!

How is that different than Capitol One sending out thousands of "pre-approved" credit cards?

 

[postman]

Then to forge the signature of the voter,

Signatures were being matched? Are you sure?

Some places did signature match by computer. Some strictly by hand. But signature matches were being made, against either the voter database, or the motor vehicle database.

 

[Oldestyle]

If the Postal Service delivered ballots that were filled out by someone other than the person that SHOULD have been filling it out...does that make the ballot more legitimate?

The person filling it out has to be able to get their hands on the ballot, which would be risking a felony. Then to forge the signature of the voter, another felony.

Plus anybody filling out somebody elses ballot would have to have intimate knowledge of that person to forge their signature and credentials.

Your whole premise seems to rest on the belief that people won't risk a felony conviction for something they feel strongly about. I find that belief to be rather naive.

 

[postman]

What "credentials"? It's obvious you've never seen a US ballot.

Mail Ballot Security Features: A Primer

Jurisdictions across the country have a range of security features to protect mail ballots from misconduct.

www.brennancenter.org

identifying information is compared against the information stored on the voter rolls. As Kim Wyman, Washington’s Republican secretary of state, explained, “We actually compare every single signature of every single ballot that comes in and we compare it and make sure that it matches the one on their voter registration record.” footnote28_14xy2cs 55

This is a long-standing and well-established practice to ensure that the ballot received was indeed cast by the correct voter.

 

[Oldestyle]

That's completely different than the mass mailing of thousands of ballots that NOBODY has requested!

How is that different than Capitol One sending out thousands of "pre-approved" credit cards?

Are those credit cards useable when they arrive at the address they've been sent to? Or does the person need to go through a process to activate them? So tell me what process do those ballots go through to become activated? The answer to that is that they DON'T! If I live in an apartment whose prior tenant voted and has now received a ballot in the mail I can fill out that ballot and mail it in.

 

[postman]

Your whole premise seems to rest on the belief that people won't risk a felony conviction for something they feel strongly about. I find that belief to be rather naive.

Your premise is that somebody would have the knowledge to know whose mailbox to steal from. When to steal from it, and to get away with stealing from it, without anybody (such as neighbors) noticing somebody suspicious going from house to house, looking in the mailbox.

Of course, sending it to the persons last known address, may very well mean somebody else is living there, and they don't mind a stranger rummaging through their mailbox.

I'm not saying it can't happen, but to do so on any large scale basis, the odds are somebody would have gotten caught doing it. And nobody has been caught doing it.

 

[postman]

Are those credit cards useable when they arrive at the address they've been sent to? Or does the person need to go through a process to activate them?

They have to be signed, with a signature that matches what they have on file.

As Kim Wyman, Washington’s Republican secretary of state, explained, “We actually compare every single signature of every single ballot that comes in and we compare it and make sure that it matches the one on their voter registration record

 

[Oldestyle]

What "credentials"? It's obvious you've never seen a US ballot.

Mail Ballot Security Features: A Primer

Jurisdictions across the country have a range of security features to protect mail ballots from misconduct.

www.brennancenter.org

identifying information is compared against the information stored on the voter rolls. As Kim Wyman, Washington’s Republican secretary of state, explained, “We actually compare every single signature of every single ballot that comes in and we compare it and make sure that it matches the one on their voter registration record.” footnote28_14xy2cs 55

This is a long-standing and well-established practice to ensure that the ballot received was indeed cast by the correct voter.

With all due respect, Postman...the Brennan Center is one of the more liberal organizations here in the US...with a long history of fighting what they refer to as "voter suppression"! That very long treatise to reassure us all that mail in voting is secure is amusing. The fact of the matter is voter fraud happens and those that are caught doing it are a tiny tip of a much larger "ice burg". The mass mailing of ballots to homes creates an opportunity for those who want to commit voter fraud and the Brennan Center knows that is the case. Quite frankly...they don't care!

 

[postman]

If I live in an apartment whose prior tenant voted and has now received a ballot in the mail I can fill out that ballot and mail it in.

You would have to have intimate knowledge of that voter to be able to forge their signature. So even if you wanted to vote somebody elses ballot, the signature match requirement would make it almost impossible.

As you know, about 5% of absentee ballots are rejected because the signatures don't match.

 

[Oldestyle]

Your whole premise seems to rest on the belief that people won't risk a felony conviction for something they feel strongly about. I find that belief to be rather naive.

Your premise is that somebody would have the knowledge to know whose mailbox to steal from. When to steal from it, and to get away with stealing from it, without anybody (such as neighbors) noticing somebody suspicious going from house to house, looking in the mailbox.

Of course, sending it to the persons last known address, may very well mean somebody else is living there, and they don't mind a stranger rummaging through their mailbox.

I'm not saying it can't happen, but to do so on any large scale basis, the odds are somebody would have gotten caught doing it. And nobody has been caught doing it.

What's to keep the person who lives there from using that ballot? Nobody has been caught doing it? Does that mean nobody does it...or does it mean that it's almost impossible to prove that somebody has done it?

 

[Oldestyle]

If I live in an apartment whose prior tenant voted and has now received a ballot in the mail I can fill out that ballot and mail it in.

You would have to have intimate knowledge of that voter to be able to forge their signature. So even if you wanted to vote somebody elses ballot, the signature match requirement would make it almost impossible.

As you know, about 5% of absentee ballots are rejected because the signatures don't match.

Are you unaware that some States don't reject ballots because the signatures don't match? Now why would something like that be put into law, Postman?

 

[justoffal]

Boston Globe editorial board calls for Trump to be criminally prosecuted

The editorial is part of a larger project called “Future-Proofing the Presidency”

www.independent.co.uk

We have never had a president who so blatantly come after the Constitution, even to the point of instigating a mob to try and stop the certification of his opponent. trump is no better than any tin horned dictator who refused to leave office and try to rally his cult to keep him in power.

The man is a grave danger to our country. Now he will be traveling from rally to rally spewing his Big Lie. If we let this man and his lie stand, we have set precedent for future presidents to try the same thing. He must be prosecuted for his crimes!

Big lie.....the idea that Trump instigated a riot.....there's the big lie. Oh and the one right behind it? That the election results were valid....that's almost as big a lie.

You do realize that you are parroting Putin propaganda?

Did Putin tell you to say that? Oh....yeah....of course he did....c'mon man grow up and stop with the mentally lazy tag naming game. Use your brain and do some debating instead of standing in the schoolyard like a snotty nosed little brat jumping up and down and pointing the finger at the bully but never able to get out a syllable because your crying too much. Tiring really..... the thought that something MUST BE simply because you say IT IS is about 36 months old on the developmental scale.

 

[postman]

With all due respect, Postman...the Brennan Center is one of the more liberal organizations here in the US...

Don't attack the messenger. I could get the same quote of the republican voter official from dozens of other places.
That was just to illustrate what all the state officials have explained about how all signatures are required to be matched on mail-in ballots.

 

[Oldestyle]

With all due respect, Postman...the Brennan Center is one of the more liberal organizations here in the US...

Don't attack the messenger. I could get the same quote of the republican voter official from dozens of other places.
That was just to illustrate what all the state officials have explained about how all signatures are required to be matched on mail-in ballots.

All the States don't require that signatures match.