Boots On The Ground, Or Not?

[Claudette]

Feinstein says Isis is not contained. Get over it Obama. Attack and destroy...no roe...no whining from Libtards.

Yup. We have B-52's and the B-1 which excel at dropping bombs. Hundreds of bombs.

Bomb the shit out of the place. Turn the BUFF's loose.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes. Pull the 10,000 out of Afghanistan and redeploy them in Syria and Iraq, that way you don't have to commit as much fresh blood to the fight from the home. Send 20,000 over to join them.

So your "solution" is to take war weary troops, take them out of one fight, and put them into another? Really?

Spoken like a guy who pissed himself at the recruiter's door.

If I were in a position of influence in military strategy, I would advise putting more stress on our bombing campaign. Ramp up the sorties from a mere 5 a day to at least 120-140 a day. Don't implement a no-fly zone.

Okay, couple of problems with that.

First, what is the effectiveness of bombing? We've been bombing the region for 25 years now. We've only made things worse.

Second, where's the money going to come from? The operating cost of a single airplane is $42,000 an hour.

Let's say France decides to invade Syria and Iraq first, it then would be wise to follow in the lead with at least 5-10,000 supplementary troops of our own. It is most likely that other members of NATO would jump in from there. If this were the case, the US wouldn't need to commit as many troops as would be necessary for a single nation campaign.

why would the French invade? They are going to bomb probably up to the French Election, but they aren't sending troops.

If we were SERIOUS, we'd institute a draft, send over half a million troops and pacify both countries. Expect to do that for a decade, expect to take thousands of casualties. And expect other countries in the Middle East to send over thousands of radicals to fight us.

Oooooor.

We could simply let the Iranians and Assad do the job. The Zionists won't like it, but **** those guys.

 

[Geaux4it]

We should carpet bomb the land and when the rats run, fill the void with American fighting men and women. We must occupy the land to keep them from coming back, then kill them one at a time as we find them elsewhere

Time for war

-Geaux

 

[Kondor3]

...We could simply let the Iranians and Assad do the job. The Zionists won't like it, but **** those guys.

Yeah. Let's allow the Iranians to entrench themselves in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, et al... yeah... that's the ticket... not.

 

[JoeB131]

no, we can easily eliminate the center of the Caliphate, Raqqa, from the air. That would be a good first step.

And that accompishes, what, exactly?

the solution to Japan and Germany was found on a conventional battlefield. The Caliphate is no different.

The solution to Germany and Japan involved us taking hundreds of thousands of casualties, taxing the rich at 93%, creating a military industrial complex that haunts us to this very day, nationalizing dozens of industries. You retards think government is too much now, you should remember how much government got involved in everything in WWII.

And in the end, the Soviets did most of the heavy lifting in World War II.

 

[JoeB131]

...We could simply let the Iranians and Assad do the job. The Zionists won't like it, but **** those guys.

Yeah. Let's allow the Iranians to entrench themselves in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, et al... yeah... that's the ticket... not.

Well, you all should have thought of that before Bush overthrew Saddam.

 

[Kondor3]

...We could simply let the Iranians and Assad do the job. The Zionists won't like it, but **** those guys.

Yeah. Let's allow the Iranians to entrench themselves in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, et al... yeah... that's the ticket... not.

Well, you all should have thought of that before Bush overthrew Saddam.

Doesn't matter... that was then... this is now... failed policies of the past are mere background to the present... the goal remains the same... keep Iran in its own backyard.

 

[JoeB131]

They need everyone's boots on the ground. Egyptian boots, Iraqi boots, Kurdish boots, Russian boots, Arab boots, French boots, German boots, and a few navy seal American boots for sniper shots.

You are pretty fast to volunteer other people to fight assuming they will not have their own agendas.

 

[JoeB131]

Doesn't matter... that was then... this is now... failed policies of the past are mere background to the present... the goal remains the same... keep Iran in its own backyard.

i thought the Goal was to defeat ISIS.

Saddam was keeping Iran in its own backyard. Then Bush overthrew him

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

 

[Kondor3]

Doesn't matter... that was then... this is now... failed policies of the past are mere background to the present... the goal remains the same... keep Iran in its own backyard.

i thought the Goal was to defeat ISIS.

Saddam was keeping Iran in its own backyard. Then Bush overthrew him

The true End Goal is to destroy Militant Islam, before it can grow into something that poses an existential danger to Western Civilization.

Iran is merely one of the more prominent manifestations of that cancerous growth at the moment, and makes for a convenient metaphorical focal point.

Overthrowing Saddam Hussein was, indeed, a mistake.

But, other than providing background and adding fuel to the Militant Islamic fire, it has no bearing upon the application of force required to kill that cancer.

The situation is what it is.

We now need to deal with a larger (but still manageable) problem.

Force is needed.

This time, however, we must remember the lessons of Bush's clumsy bludgeoning, and apply force more viciously, mercilessly, intelligently, and effectively.

There is no peace to be had with ISIS, that is advantageous to Western Civilization.

That leaves appeasement, or war.

The world (and America, in recent times) has had enough of the ghost of Neville Chamberlain, in dealing with this Militant Islamic scum.

Time for NATO to join hands with Russia, and annihilate these phukkers... no mercy... no prisoners... death to ISIS.

Although we may be obliged, for safety's sake, to wait until January 20, 2017.

 

[JoeB131]

The true End Goal is to destroy Militant Islam, before it can grow into something that poses an existential danger to Western Civilization.

again, guy, Islam is not "The Borg". They are not a monolithic hive-mind.

Iran is merely one of the more prominent manifestations of that cancerous growth at the moment, and makes for a convenient metaphorical focal point.

No, guy, the problem with Iran is that we've been pissing ourselves over them for 35 years now, when they aren't our enemy nor our problem.

the fact is, WE created ISIS. We created Bin Laden. We created Saddam.

Overthrowing Saddam Hussein was, indeed, a mistake.

But, other than providing background and adding fuel to the Militant Islamic fire, it has no bearing upon the application of force required to kill that cancer.

Yeah, you know what, guy, we've already spent Trillions of dollars making this 'Cancer" worse.

Seems to me the Iranians are perfectly willing to take down ISIS for us, we should probably just let them do it.

 

[Kondor3]

...again, guy, Islam is not "The Borg". They are not a monolithic hive-mind...

Yes. That is the 'sales pitch'. And, to a large extent, at any given point in time, you are correct.

We are not talking Mainstream Islam.

We are talking Militant Islam.

Trouble is, the philosophy, history and dogma associated with Islam render it a Warrior Religion, susceptible to never-ending manipulation by any street-corner mullah.

...No, guy, the problem with Iran is that we've been pissing ourselves over them for 35 years now, when they aren't our enemy nor our problem...

Yes.

So many Leftists and Liberals would like the rest of us to believe just that.

No sale.

Iran is the most successful and powerful manifestation of modern-day Militant Islam.

Their ruling regime, and those who support them internally, are our mortal adversary.

You require a refresher course in Enemy Identification.

There is definitely something wrong with your IFF transponder.

...the fact is, WE created ISIS. We created Bin Laden. We created Saddam...

Then more fool us.

Whatever in the world does that have to do with that is now required, in order to kill those creations?

Yes.

We created it.

It was a mistake.

Now, we need to correct our mistake.

Now, we need to kill our creation.

Before it kills us.

Was there anything else, in this regard?

Next slide, please.

...Yeah, you know what, guy, we've already spent Trillions of dollars making this 'Cancer" worse...

Nolo contendere.

Now we need to spend more, more intelligently, to actually kill the thing.

...Seems to me the Iranians are perfectly willing to take down ISIS for us, we should probably just let them do it.

Wrong.

Iran is the present-day personification of Militant Islam.

Western Civilization cannot afford to allow this personification to regain influence or control over Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, etc., after an absence of 2000-2500 years.

The world does not need a revived Persian Empire driven by a Radical Islamist agenda.

Anyone who believes otherwise not only requires a maintenance check on their IFF transponder but should be evaluated for Fifth Columnist status.

Or, alternatively, be subjected to an exorcism, to expel the ghost of Neville Chamberlain.

 

[deltex1]

What was the rule of engagement at Hiroshima? Apply that one.

 

[deltex1]

Ask some people what they would do about ISIS, "Whatever Obama is doing, we're against that." Never an actual plan. Just a cowardly running away while throwing spitballs at what someone else is trying to do.

So let's strike while the Parisian iron is hot.

Should we send in the necessary ground troops to finish off ISIS, or not?

It is currently estimated it would take about 30,000 to 40,000 troops to do so.

Let's assume for the sake of argument no other country is going to send troops. It's obvious they are not going to. Maybe once we sent troops, they would join, but we cannot assume that.

So, no wiggling, no waffling bullshit about how Obama would never send troops. The question is, "SHOULD we?"

What happened to the Unprecedented Coalition?

 

[JoeB131]

es. That is the 'sales pitch'. And, to a large extent, at any given point in time, you are correct.

We are not talking Mainstream Islam.

We are talking Militant Islam.

Trouble is, the philosophy, history and dogma associated with Islam render it a Warrior Religion, susceptible to never-ending manipulation by any street-corner mullah.

Guy, a "militant" Muslim is one who has just seen too many of his fellow Muslims slaughtered by "Crusaders" and Zionists.

Your delusion is that it's their religion that is driving their militancy and not our totally fucked up policy of attacking them for the last 25 years. You subject any people to 25 years of constant warfare and abuse, you are going to get people who are militant no matter WHAT their religion is.

Yes.

So many Leftists and Liberals would like the rest of us to believe just that.

No sale.

You require a refresher course in Enemy Identification.

There is definitely something wrong with your IFF transponder.

The Iranians have never attacked us. We on the other hand, did shoot down an airliner full of civilians in 1986, we propped up the Shah for 30 years and he proceeded to abuse the shit out of his own people, we clandestiantly armed Saddam during his 8 year war with Iran.

Much like our vindictive and stupid policies towards Cuba, our policy towards Iran is based more on vindictiveness than any real threat.

Then more fool us.

Whatever in the world does that have to do with that is now required, in order to kill those creations?

Yeah... we created it.

It was a mistake.

Now we need to kill our creation.

Before it kills us.

Was there anything else, in this regard?

Next slide, please.

And you are perfectly willing to send someone else's child off to DIE in order to fix your fucked up mistake. I'm not. Especially since you can't tell me what "winning" looks like, exactly

Iran is the present-day personification of Militant Islam.

Western Civilization cannot afford to allow this personification to regain influence or control over Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, etc., after an absence of 2000-2500 years.

The world does not need a revived Persian Empire driven by a Radical Islamist agenda.

Anyone who believes otherwise not only requires a maintenance check on their IFF transponder but should be evaluated for Fifth Columnist status.

You see, there you go again. Why the **** should I care if they take over Iraq, Lebanon and Syria - which would require them to commit considerable resources to rebuild.

Why is ANY of this my problem.

 

[Kondor3]

...Guy, a "militant" Muslim is one who has just seen too many of his fellow Muslims slaughtered by "Crusaders" and Zionists...

Well, in my earlier scenario, involving broken IFF transponders, Chamberlain's ghost, and Fifth Columnists, we seem to have eliminated the first two.

...The Iranians have never attacked us...

We have never been stupid enough to give them the chance.

...And you are perfectly willing to send someone else's child off to DIE in order to fix your fucked up mistake...

Do we lose 4,000 now, or 400,000 later?

...Why is ANY of this my problem.

It's not.

You've been taken out of the loop.

Or, at least, you will have been, after January 20, 2017.

 

[deltex1]

If a guy is a militant because of crusaders and Americans, what do you call a guy who is sick of Sunni vs shiia conflict over the past 2000 years. Get a clue Joe...you're a moron. Maybe you need to call the doctor...he is in....lmao!

 

[deltex1]

Nukes should NOT be dropped. We have enough conventional weapons that can eliminate targets almost as easy as a nuke, but without the dangerous radiation that nukes leave behind.

Nerve gas is better: no damage to infrastructure, no survivors, no radiation.

So you want us to be war criminals.

I would not send troops anywhere under the command of a moron.

 

[deltex1]

And just think what would happen if we dropped the earths temperature by a degree or two...Daesh would drop their weapons and it would be cumbaya time all over de world, yo