Booted Conservative Soldier Sues Army

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Master Sgt. Nathan Sommers Attacks Gays, Obama, Then Claims Christian Persecution

Sommers was reprimanded, given a bad report and targeted by an investigation, which found he had tweeted in 2010: “Lordy, Lordy, it’s ****** Tuesday. The lefty loons and Obamabots are out in full force."

Sommers admits the retweet was bad judgment, but claims homosexual soldiers are “attempting to dig up any negative information they could in order to silence me or ruin my career.”

And only a Left Wing Loon would end a 25 year career over that. The same people who tells a white man from Georgia that his CBF is racist, but tells a Black man from Mississippi that his Black Pride Flag is a legitmate 1st Amendment expression of free speech.

The Same people who would say that marching in Gay Pride Parade in Full Uniform is just fine, but writing scripture on your door pad is offensive .

You typically call those people Imaginary...Imaginary people

 

[jasonnfree]

I remember this case..

He was punished for serving the Chic-Filet sandwiches.. this was during the time frame of the Gay protests of the company and there were at least one gay or gay supporting member of the band who was offended because of the choice of food and filed a complaint.

As they absolutely should've done. Chick-fil-A is a bigoted company, and its food is tainted by racism, homophobia, and religious zealotry.

This manpig is just angry because President Obama's Army isn't tolerating his public bigotry (hatred of Homosexual-Americans, racism against President Obama) any more.

His lawsuit will fail. I guarantee it. Not just because I want it to, but because no court could possibly uphold the claim that, in the midst of military down-sizing, this bigot was forced out due to "muh political buhleefs" or "muh relijun".

Again we see the left not tolerating opinions different from their own. Chick-fil-A is not a bigoted company, why can' the owners have a political opinion? Why do we have to be subjected to the perversion of gay pride parades down Main Street, but when others express their opposition the are "bigoted." Why can't this soldier have political opinion? Or do liberals want an army like the Soviets had with a Commissar attached to every unit for political education ?

You aren't subjected to the perversion of gay pride parades unless you watch them. Do you?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Noooooooooooooooo Nooooooooooooooooo
It had NOTHING to do with my substandard performance review
it was all about chicken sandwiches and bumper stickers ......

trust me .....

 

[rightwinger]

We knew this would happen when the military openly accepted gays

Used to be they would eject the gays. Now they eject idiots like this guy

 

[Howey]

Master Sgt. Nathan Sommers Attacks Gays, Obama, Then Claims Christian Persecution

Sommers was reprimanded, given a bad report and targeted by an investigation, which found he had tweeted in 2010: “Lordy, Lordy, it’s ****** Tuesday. The lefty loons and Obamabots are out in full force."

Sommers admits the retweet was bad judgment, but claims homosexual soldiers are “attempting to dig up any negative information they could in order to silence me or ruin my career.”

WTF is wrong with these idiots? You sign a contract, you agree to not make a fool out of yourself. Period.

Here's idiot teabagger (R) Tim Huelskamp, a member of Congress, who doesn't get it?

http://www.westernkansasnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Christian-Military-Persecution12.mp3

How the **** was he elected?

The truth is freedom of speech doesn't exist in the military. You don't like it, teabagger horn blower? Get the **** out.

Watch what you say: Speech limits under UCMJ | Army Times | armytimes.com

Q: I am currently on active duty and I want to get involved in politics. Can I?

A: This is a tricky question. The short answer is "no," but like almost everything with law, exceptions do apply. (If it was not for exceptions in the law, law school would be three months instead of three years.) Numerous articles in the UCMJ restrict the speech of service members, and two of those could affect political speech. I would point out that under Article 2 of the UCMJ, retired members of the military drawing pay, as well as active-duty service members, are subject to UCMJ provisions. So if you think retiring will allow you to escape UCMJ action, you are wrong.

So, **** him! Let the idiot scream all he wants. Until the Army takes away his retirement pay.

My favorite UCMJ provision is Article 88, which makes it a crime for an officer to use contemptuous words against the president, the vice president, Congress, the secretary of defense, the secretary of a military department, the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, or the governor or legislature of any state, territory, commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present

In 1999, Army Lieutenant Colonel Michael Davidson explained in a law review article that contemptuous "means insulting, rude, disdainful or otherwise disrespectfully attributing to another qualities of meanness, disreputableness, or worthlessness." (http://tullylegal.com/article88.pdf">Read the full article, which is very instructive on Article 88).

This article of the UCMJ is relatively new (about 60 years old) but it can trace itself back to colonial times. If you think nobody gets prosecuted under it, think again. Numerous officers have been disciplined for criticizing the president. Two Marine Corps officers were administratively punished for published letters to newspapers that were disrespectful to the president in the 1990s. Ltc. Davidson points out, "Since the UCMJ was enacted in 1950 only a single known court-martial has occurred pursuant to Article 88. In United States v. Howe, an Army Lieutenant was convicted for carrying a sign during an antiwar demonstration that read ‘Let's Have More Than A Choice Between Petty Ignorant Fascists In 1968' on one side and ‘End Johnson's Fascist Aggression In Vietnam' on the other side. Lieutenant Howe did not participate in organizing the demonstration, but merely joined it after it began. During the half-hour demonstration, Howe was off duty, in civilian clothes, and no one at the demonstration knew of his military affiliation. Howe came to the Army's attention only because a gas station attendant, who Howe had asked for directions, spotted the lieutenant's sign and an Army sticker on his vehicle and subsequently notified the local military police."

So...kindly **** off MSgt. Hornblower. And quit whining. It makes you look like a sissy.

 

[guno]

Let's use Lawsuit: Master sgt. was kicked out for anti-Obama and religious views | Army Times | armytimes.com

In the suit, and in an interview Thursday with Army Times, Nathan Sommers said the machinations that led to his retirement — an Article 15 that found him guilty of disobeying an order and other charges, a sub-par evaluation and a ruling by the Qualitative Management Program that ordered him out of the Army — were motivated by expressions of political and religious ideals that he said fell within Pentagon guidelines.

The Army would not comment on the lawsuit beyond a statement provided by Col. Josslyn Aberle, a spokeswoman for Military District Washington: “The soldier received due process from the military in addressing complaints [and] allowing the appeal processing for the QMP board, which determined the soldier didn’t meet the qualification for retention on active duty.”

Sounds like a trouble maker.

Sounds like an entitlement junkie Republican.

they should have given him treatment in the military insane asylum, he sounds delusional

 

[jknowgood]

Master Sgt. Nathan Sommers Attacks Gays, Obama, Then Claims Christian Persecution

Sommers was reprimanded, given a bad report and targeted by an investigation, which found he had tweeted in 2010: “Lordy, Lordy, it’s ****** Tuesday. The lefty loons and Obamabots are out in full force."

Sommers admits the retweet was bad judgment, but claims homosexual soldiers are “attempting to dig up any negative information they could in order to silence me or ruin my career.”

WTF is wrong with these idiots? You sign a contract, you agree to not make a fool out of yourself. Period.

Here's idiot teabagger (R) Tim Huelskamp, a member of Congress, who doesn't get it?

http://www.westernkansasnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Christian-Military-Persecution12.mp3

How the **** was he elected?

The truth is freedom of speech doesn't exist in the military. You don't like it, teabagger horn blower? Get the **** out.

Watch what you say: Speech limits under UCMJ | Army Times | armytimes.com

Q: I am currently on active duty and I want to get involved in politics. Can I?

A: This is a tricky question. The short answer is "no," but like almost everything with law, exceptions do apply. (If it was not for exceptions in the law, law school would be three months instead of three years.) Numerous articles in the UCMJ restrict the speech of service members, and two of those could affect political speech. I would point out that under Article 2 of the UCMJ, retired members of the military drawing pay, as well as active-duty service members, are subject to UCMJ provisions. So if you think retiring will allow you to escape UCMJ action, you are wrong.

So, **** him! Let the idiot scream all he wants. Until the Army takes away his retirement pay.

My favorite UCMJ provision is Article 88, which makes it a crime for an officer to use contemptuous words against the president, the vice president, Congress, the secretary of defense, the secretary of a military department, the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, or the governor or legislature of any state, territory, commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present

In 1999, Army Lieutenant Colonel Michael Davidson explained in a law review article that contemptuous "means insulting, rude, disdainful or otherwise disrespectfully attributing to another qualities of meanness, disreputableness, or worthlessness." (http://tullylegal.com/article88.pdf">Read the full article, which is very instructive on Article 88).

This article of the UCMJ is relatively new (about 60 years old) but it can trace itself back to colonial times. If you think nobody gets prosecuted under it, think again. Numerous officers have been disciplined for criticizing the president. Two Marine Corps officers were administratively punished for published letters to newspapers that were disrespectful to the president in the 1990s. Ltc. Davidson points out, "Since the UCMJ was enacted in 1950 only a single known court-martial has occurred pursuant to Article 88. In United States v. Howe, an Army Lieutenant was convicted for carrying a sign during an antiwar demonstration that read ‘Let's Have More Than A Choice Between Petty Ignorant Fascists In 1968' on one side and ‘End Johnson's Fascist Aggression In Vietnam' on the other side. Lieutenant Howe did not participate in organizing the demonstration, but merely joined it after it began. During the half-hour demonstration, Howe was off duty, in civilian clothes, and no one at the demonstration knew of his military affiliation. Howe came to the Army's attention only because a gas station attendant, who Howe had asked for directions, spotted the lieutenant's sign and an Army sticker on his vehicle and subsequently notified the local military police."

So...kindly **** off MSgt. Hornblower. And quit whining. It makes you look like a sissy.

Kinda the way Obama looks when he is whining about everyone but himself, who is the only one to blame for him being a failure.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Noooooooooooooooo Nooooooooooooooooo
It had NOTHING to do with my substandard performance review
it was all about chicken sandwiches and bumper stickers ......

trust me .....

Its never something they did...Its always unseen liberals that attack them from the shadows....


BOO!

 

[nodoginnafight]

But we still have to pay for his healthcare (such as it is) and pension?

 

[bodecea]

But we still have to pay for his healthcare (such as it is) and pension?

Absolutely...he's retired. 25 years...not too shabby a retirement either.

Decorated soloist and all.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Kinda the way Obama looks when he is whining about everyone but himself, who is the only one to blame for him being a failure.

That actually is kinda like you.

 

[Rikurzhen]

He was a MSgt. so we know he had a clean record and he claims that he was forced to retire so that seems true. It's pretty ironic that the president praised a freaking traitor who left his post in Afghanistan and kicks out an honorable Soldier who served in the Army for 25 years

You have no clue about his record.

Do you have any idea of how the Military works? If he had a bad record he would be retiring as a Private.

Exactly. The military is run on a "up or out" principle, so for him to get to this rank after 25 years signals that he came out victorious in comparison to his peers at every prior promotion. Master Sergeant is the 8th enlisted rank.

As for his sub-par evaluation, that could have some merit if it PRECEDED his actions which led to this hullabaloo. It's quite easy for a supervisor to write a biased performance evaluation in order to "get" someone.

 

[Jarlaxle]

What a weasel. How does a member of a band get a military retirement anyway?

Because he served in the Army for twenty-five years! Military bands are made up of MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY! God and goddess, THINK!

 

[Erand7899]

You have no clue about his record.

Do you have any idea of how the Military works? If he had a bad record he would be retiring as a Private.

well ... um ... yes, as a matter of fact I do. So I am 100% certain that your claim is incorrect. Did you happen to read the previous post that outlined some of the serious blemishes on his record?

Take a look at that and then get back to me.

He didn't have any serious blemishes on his record. The first clue should have been the words "promo party", and that means he was just advanced to Master Sargeant. He would not have gotten that promotion "with serious blemishes on his record".

What happened is obvious. A career soldier ran up against the new politically correct army officer corp, and refused to get on the bandwagon. A military member is prohibited form derogatory comments about the Commander-in-Chief while in uniform, or while representing the military. There is no prohibition against disagreeing with the political policies of the President, whether in uniform or not.

BTW, and Article 15 hearing is a non judicial hearing in front of the soldier's commanding officer. The results could be referral to a courts martial, non-judicial punishment, or a severe chewing out.

This career soldier is rightfully suing the military, and he should, for the sake of others who run afoul of the same righteous assholes.

 

[Howey]

Do you have any idea of how the Military works? If he had a bad record he would be retiring as a Private.

well ... um ... yes, as a matter of fact I do. So I am 100% certain that your claim is incorrect. Did you happen to read the previous post that outlined some of the serious blemishes on his record?

Take a look at that and then get back to me.

He didn't have any serious blemishes on his record. The first clue should have been the words "promo party", and that means he was just advanced to Master Sargeant. He would not have gotten that promotion "with serious blemishes on his record".

What happened is obvious. A career soldier ran up against the new politically correct army officer corp, and refused to get on the bandwagon. A military member is prohibited form derogatory comments about the Commander-in-Chief while in uniform, or while representing the military. There is no prohibition against disagreeing with the political policies of the President, whether in uniform or not.

BTW, and Article 15 hearing is a non judicial hearing in front of the soldier's commanding officer. The results could be referral to a courts martial, non-judicial punishment, or a severe chewing out.

This career soldier is rightfully suing the military, and he should, for the sake of others who run afoul of the same righteous assholes.

He got a meager Ltr of Reprimand from the Art 15. That's it. Nothing else. Everything else is just him whining for attention.

 

[GreenBean]

No what you are ignoring is a simple question you should ask yourself: How likely is it that this guy was booted from the army for bumper stickers and chicken sandwiches?

If you say very likely you are a fool

If I disagree with you Im a Fool ?

See this isnt about me I said: How likely is it that this guy was booted from the army for bumper stickers and chicken sandwiches?

In the United States ARmy - NOt Likely that it would happen.

In the Obama ARmy - anything is possible.

Then you sir are a fool and reek of playing the victim

There Once was a fella Closed Caps
Who couldn't comprehend Facts
And try as he did
His Intelligence Hid
In his crotch right under his slacks

OT: Pardon me if I'm a tad off key from my usual hyperbole - but I just came back from a bar called "the rack" and I gotta go take a pee ..... Night Night ....

 

[LiberalMedia]

There's no bigotry in your post.

Thank you, fellow lybyryl. Together, we can build a progressive society free of hate.

Hate, and white "people."

I used not give queers any thought, but since it's all you hear about now. They can kiss my ass.

An excellent step in the ryght direction! Rather than being apathetic to the plight of Homosexual-Americans, you are now offering to allow them to engage in sensual acts with your posterior. This kind of enlightened tolerance is truly the embodiment of lybyrylysm.

 

[LiberalMedia]

So now you're talking Genocide ? WOW ! you really are one ignorant racist sexist opionionated imbecile aren't you ?

"Genocide" is a term that was originally created by Jews, for Jews, to describe the terrible crime against humynity that Jews suffered during WWII under the Nazis. Do not attempt to appropriate this word to refer to anyone else's pain and suffering other than we Jews.

But no, I'm not talking about killing anyone. When you talk about getting rid of "them dern illegals", do you mean killing them?

The term Genocide was first used by Rafael Lemkin in a book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe he incorrectly formulated the new word from ancient languages, had he done it correctly the correct formulation would have been genticide. The word **** was at one time a vulgar slang term for a a womans vegina and is derived from, "kunta" in an ancient middle eastern language meaning "female genitalia". Over time the word morphed/evolved to be not just a noun , but an adjective referring to an obnoxious overbearing female ,much like yourself.

So basically using the norms of etymology and linguistic evolution I should be referring to you as a "kuntacidal" instead of genocidal .

First, thank you for proving that I am correct; as I stated, the term "genocide" was coined by a Jew, and as you pointed out, Rafael Lemkin (a Jewish lawyer) was the individual to do that. While I would have preferred a more blunt admission along the lines of, "Your superior fymynyst intellect is never wrong, LM," your posting of information that backs up my statements shall simply have to do for now.

Second, if Lemkin formed the term "genocide" incorrectly (which is a very big if, as I seriously doubt that he did, especially given the complete lack of supporting evidence or reasoning for that claim from you), then so too have you not only formed the term "kuntacidal" incorrectly, but you have also used it incorrectly. If I were "kuntacidal," I would want to kill strong, independent womyn lyke mysylf, which I clearly do not.

I'm not talking about killing anyone.

No then what was the intent of your statement " we can build a progressive society free of hate...and white "people." were you simply endorsing the La Raza goal of deporting all whites back to Europe and returning Blacks to slavery or Africa ?

I'm endorsing the enlightened lybyryl goal of deporting all Euroscum back to their ancestral homeland of Europe, yes. No one else needs to be deported, however.

When you talk about getting rid of "them dern illegals", do you mean killing them?

Does deportation involve Killing ? You are truly a "Special" case. Didn't you ever take a debate class in that socio-fascist institution of higher indctrination that vomitted you out ?

Let me remind you kuntacidal jack ass , I'm not the one who advocated Genocide against any particular race of people . YOU DID

Didn't you ever take a debate class? We literally just went over this, conservatard. No, deportation does not involve killing. I favor deportation, not killing. I did not advocate genocide. You, however, are relentlessly reminding me of the genocide faced by my own pyyple, the Jews, during the original (and only true) genocide. Stop abusing the sacred term my own pyyple have come up with.

 

[GreenBean]

"Genocide" is a term that was originally created by Jews, for Jews, to describe the terrible crime against humynity that Jews suffered during WWII under the Nazis. Do not attempt to appropriate this word to refer to anyone else's pain and suffering other than we Jews.

But no, I'm not talking about killing anyone. When you talk about getting rid of "them dern illegals", do you mean killing them?

The term Genocide was first used by Rafael Lemkin in a book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe he incorrectly formulated the new word from ancient languages, had he done it correctly the correct formulation would have been genticide. The word **** was at one time a vulgar slang term for a a womans vegina and is derived from, "kunta" in an ancient middle eastern language meaning "female genitalia". Over time the word morphed/evolved to be not just a noun , but an adjective referring to an obnoxious overbearing female ,much like yourself.

So basically using the norms of etymology and linguistic evolution I should be referring to you as a "kuntacidal" instead of genocidal .

First, thank you for proving that I am correct; as I stated, the term "genocide" was coined by a Jew, and as you pointed out, Rafael Lemkin (a Jewish lawyer) was the individual to do that. While I would have preferred a more blunt admission along the lines of, "Your superior fymynyst intellect is never wrong, LM," your posting of information that backs up my statements shall simply have to do for now.

Second, if Lemkin formed the term "genocide" incorrectly (which is a very big if, as I seriously doubt that he did, especially given the complete lack of supporting evidence or reasoning for that claim from you), then so too have you not only formed the term "kuntacidal" incorrectly, but you have also used it incorrectly. If I were "kuntacidal," I would want to kill strong, independent womyn lyke mysylf, which I clearly do not.



I'm endorsing the enlightened lybyryl goal of deporting all Euroscum back to their ancestral homeland of Europe, yes. No one else needs to be deported, however.

When you talk about getting rid of "them dern illegals", do you mean killing them?

Does deportation involve Killing ? You are truly a "Special" case. Didn't you ever take a debate class in that socio-fascist institution of higher indctrination that vomitted you out ?

Let me remind you kuntacidal jack ass , I'm not the one who advocated Genocide against any particular race of people . YOU DID

Didn't you ever take a debate class? We literally just went over this, conservatard. No, deportation does not involve killing. I favor deportation, not killing. I did not advocate genocide. You, however, are relentlessly reminding me of the genocide faced by my own pyyple, the Jews, during the original (and only true) genocide. Stop abusing the sacred term my own pyyple have come up with.

First, thank you for proving that I am correct; as I stated, the term "genocide" was coined by a Jew, and as you pointed out, Rafael Lemkin (a Jewish lawyer) was the individual to do that. While I would have preferred a more blunt admission along the lines of, "Your superior fymynyst intellect is never wrong, LM," your posting of information that backs up my statements shall simply have to do for now.

**********And so what ? - that was never a point of contention - you brought it up and I coroberrated it - it means nothing .

While I would have preferred a more blunt admission along the lines of, "Your superior fymynyst intellect is never wrong, LM," your posting of information that backs up my statements shall simply have to do for now.

******** Cool story Kunt- now lets see if you can find something that we disagreed on to be right about lol lol

Second, if Lemkin formed the term "genocide" incorrectly (which is a very big if, as I seriously doubt that he did, especially given the complete lack of supporting evidence or reasoning for that claim from you),

************ 1944, apparently coined by Polish-born U.S. jurist Raphael Lemkin (1900-1959) in his work "Axis Rule in Occupied Europe" [p.19], in reference to Nazi extermination of Jews, literally "killing a tribe," from Greek genos "race, kind" (see genus) + -cide. The proper formation would be *genticide. Online Etymology Dictionary

strong, independent womyn lyke mysylf

strong ? _ No proof of that ... ... You are a walking example of a self loathing , insecure Misandrical [Man-Hating] psychophant I've ever seen on the internet - You seriously need psychological help young "lady" . YOur Penis Envy coupled with the disastrous failed mental programmming you were subjected to durring your college years has created a pitiful and doomed monstrous excuse for a Human Beiong "It's Alive -It's Alive " . I wouldnt be in the least bit surprised if you were a she-*** - I'll thnk instead of Kunticidal I'll call you "The Bride of Fagenstein"

Independent ? so long as you got that welfare check or somebody elses money supporting your scabby kanker infested ass

Womyn ? - You may be a female - but you are certainly no Lady or Woman. Having a vegina doesn't qualify you to degrade the feminine side of the Human Race by claiming an affinity with it.