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BTWP: your arguments continue to look like segments from a Garfield comic strip.
Can you do better than Poop and post more than three puny sentences at a time (without hurting yourself) ?
Just for the record...this is from Federalist 45.
The State government will have the advantage of the Federal government, whether we compare them in respect to the immediate dependence of the one on the other; to the weight of personal influence which each side will possess; to the powers respectively vested in them; to the predilection and probable support of the people; to the disposition and faculty of resisting and frustrating the measures of each other.
The State governments may be regarded as constituent and essential parts of the federal government; whilst the latter is nowise essential to the operation or organization of the former. Without the intervention of the State legislatures, the President of the United States cannot be elected at all. They must in all cases have a great share in his appointment, and will, perhaps, in most cases, of themselves determine it. The Senate will be elected absolutely and exclusively by the State legislatures. Even the House of Representatives, though drawn immediately from the people, will be chosen very much under the influence of that class of men, whose influence over the people obtains for themselves an election into the State legislatures. Thus, each of the principal branches of the federal government will owe its existence more or less to the favor of the State governments, and must consequently feel a dependence, which is much more likely to beget a disposition too obsequious than too overbearing towards them. On the other side, the component parts of the State governments will in no instance be indebted for their appointment to the direct agency of the federal government, and very little, if at all, to the local influence of its members.
The number of individuals employed under the Constitution of the United States will be much smaller than the number employed under the particular States. There will consequently be less of personal influence on the side of the former than of the latter. The members of the legislative, executive, and judiciary departments of thirteen and more States, the justices of peace, officers of militia, ministerial officers of justice, with all the county, corporation, and town officers, for three millions and more of people, intermixed, and having particular acquaintance with every class and circle of people, must exceed, beyond all proportion, both in number and influence, those of every description who will be employed in the administration of the federal system. Compare the members of the three great departments of the thirteen States, excluding from the judiciary department the justices of peace, with the members of the corresponding departments of the single government of the Union; compare the militia officers of three millions of people with the military and marine officers of any establishment which is within the compass of probability, or, I may add, of possibility, and in this view alone, we may pronounce the advantage of the States to be decisive. If the federal government is to have collectors of revenue, the State governments will have theirs also. And as those of the former will be principally on the seacoast, and not very numerous, whilst those of the latter will be spread over the face of the country, and will be very numerous, the advantage in this view also lies on the same side. It is true, that the Confederacy is to possess, and may exercise, the power of collecting internal as well as external taxes throughout the States; but it is probable that this power will not be resorted to, except for supplemental purposes of revenue; that an option will then be given to the States to supply their quotas by previous collections of their own; and that the eventual collection, under the immediate authority of the Union, will generally be made by the officers, and according to the rules, appointed by the several States. Indeed it is extremely probable, that in other instances, particularly in the organization of the judicial power, the officers of the States will be clothed with the correspondent authority of the Union. Should it happen, however, that separate collectors of internal revenue should be appointed under the federal government, the influence of the whole number would not bear a comparison with that of the multitude of State officers in the opposite scale. Within every district to which a federal collector would be allotted, there would not be less than thirty or forty, or even more, officers of different descriptions, and many of them persons of character and weight, whose influence would lie on the side of the State.
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And if that gets to complex for you, the same guy wrote:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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Hope that helps.
Ah yes....
When you can't debate or have nothing to say......
tinydancer
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I was just reading Matthew's comments over at Newsbusters. What a meltdown! And I'm seeing reports on Twitchy where Booker's already been labelled an "Uncle Tom".
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Chris Mathews did the same thing on MSNBC, left out the last part of what he said.
Booker is right, the left should not put down Bain and the right should not be using Rev. Wright.
If the left are going to use Bain and demonize it, it is going to backfire, because President Obama is using the taxpayer's money to shore up green energy and when they go belly up it's the taxpayers who lose and have no choice of whether or not to invest in those companies. This is not the American way, to force taxpayer's to pay for something that they don't want to invest in.
At least Bain uses private investor's money who know what the risk is.
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Cory Booker went on Rachel Maddow's show this evening to tell the rightwingnuts that if they really want to "stand with cory", they should man up and really stand with him:
oh yeah, and to stop using him and taking what he said out of context.
Lean Forward - Booker to Maddow: 'I'm very upset that I'm being used by the GOP'
He said both sides make him nauseous. I agree.
Now, it would be nice if Booker stood by that comment rather than backtracking and trying to "clarify" his comments.
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Does not change what he said...which is in direct contradiction to the stupid argument you keep holding up on Bain.
You are a tool.
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Cory Booker went on Rachel Maddow's show this evening to tell the rightwingnuts that if they really want to "stand with cory", they should man up and really stand with him:
oh yeah, and to stop using him and taking what he said out of context.
Lean Forward - Booker to Maddow: 'I'm very upset that I'm being used by the GOP'
He said both sides make him nauseous. I agree.
Now, it would be nice if Booker stood by that comment rather than backtracking and trying to "clarify" his comments.
Y'know what? Would be nice if the GOP stood with him in trying to help the parts of NJ that need help. The parts that will be destroyed if they get to implement all their sorry-ass ideas. THAT would be nice.
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Cory Booker went on Rachel Maddow's show this evening to tell the rightwingnuts that if they really want to "stand with cory", they should man up and really stand with him:
oh yeah, and to stop using him and taking what he said out of context.
Lean Forward - Booker to Maddow: 'I'm very upset that I'm being used by the GOP'
He said both sides make him nauseous. I agree.
Now, it would be nice if Booker stood by that comment rather than backtracking and trying to "clarify" his comments.
Y'know what? Would be nice if the GOP stood with him in trying to help the parts of NJ that need help. The parts that will be destroyed if they get to implement all their sorry-ass ideas. THAT would be nice.
you really dont understand the fine lines between federal and state, state and county, county and municipality.....do you.
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Cory Booker went on Rachel Maddow's show this evening to tell the rightwingnuts that if they really want to "stand with cory", they should man up and really stand with him:
oh yeah, and to stop using him and taking what he said out of context.
Lean Forward - Booker to Maddow: 'I'm very upset that I'm being used by the GOP'
Poor Corey. He said one thing. He was right.
But, then, he got taken to the tool shed by the DNC overseers.
He got spanked.
He learned his "lesson," by golly.
Now, he's one sorry contrite pathetic punk-ass ***** tripping over himself (sans his former credibility) to amend his statements.
He's complaining that what he SAID got "taken out of context," but that's just him being dishonest now. What he said was quoted accurately and IN Context. His subsequent regret cannot change that historical fact.
Corey Booker is now just a liberal Democrat punk-ass *****.
Don't worry Corey, I don't stand with you. You're too tragically exposed for what you are.
But I do agree with what you said before you meekly accepted the castration punishment imposed on you by the DNC fuckwits. You *****.
BDBoop
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Cory Booker went on Rachel Maddow's show this evening to tell the rightwingnuts that if they really want to "stand with cory", they should man up and really stand with him:
oh yeah, and to stop using him and taking what he said out of context.
Lean Forward - Booker to Maddow: 'I'm very upset that I'm being used by the GOP'
Poor Corey. He said one thing. He was right.
But, then, he got taken to the tool shed by the DNC overseers.
He got spanked.
He learned his "lesson," by golly.
Now, he's one sorry contrite pathetic punk-ass ***** tripping over himself (sans his former credibility) to amend his statements.
He's complaining that what he SAID got "taken out of context," but that's just him being dishonest now. What he said was quoted accurately and IN Context. His subsequent regret cannot change that historical fact.
Corey Booker is now just a liberal Democrat punk-ass *****.
Don't worry Corey, I don't stand with you. You're too tragically exposed for what you are.
But I do agree with what you said before you meekly accepted the castration punishment imposed on you by the DNC fuckwits. You *****.
Good. Now tell the GOP, so they can take down that sorry-ass page.
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There is difference.
Police and Fire are state not Fed,yet some think that it is Federal.
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Like we are the ones hoping that the war on women would keep women on your side.....
Now Romney is polling better with women than Obama !
Yes, we are the desperate ones.
jillian
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BTWP: your arguments continue to look like segments from a Garfield comic strip.
Can you do better than Poop and post more than three puny sentences at a time (without hurting yourself) ?
Just for the record...this is from Federalist 45.
The State government will have the advantage of the Federal government, whether we compare them in respect to the immediate dependence of the one on the other; to the weight of personal influence which each side will possess; to the powers respectively vested in them; to the predilection and probable support of the people; to the disposition and faculty of resisting and frustrating the measures of each other.
The State governments may be regarded as constituent and essential parts of the federal government; whilst the latter is nowise essential to the operation or organization of the former. Without the intervention of the State legislatures, the President of the United States cannot be elected at all. They must in all cases have a great share in his appointment, and will, perhaps, in most cases, of themselves determine it. The Senate will be elected absolutely and exclusively by the State legislatures. Even the House of Representatives, though drawn immediately from the people, will be chosen very much under the influence of that class of men, whose influence over the people obtains for themselves an election into the State legislatures. Thus, each of the principal branches of the federal government will owe its existence more or less to the favor of the State governments, and must consequently feel a dependence, which is much more likely to beget a disposition too obsequious than too overbearing towards them. On the other side, the component parts of the State governments will in no instance be indebted for their appointment to the direct agency of the federal government, and very little, if at all, to the local influence of its members.
The number of individuals employed under the Constitution of the United States will be much smaller than the number employed under the particular States. There will consequently be less of personal influence on the side of the former than of the latter. The members of the legislative, executive, and judiciary departments of thirteen and more States, the justices of peace, officers of militia, ministerial officers of justice, with all the county, corporation, and town officers, for three millions and more of people, intermixed, and having particular acquaintance with every class and circle of people, must exceed, beyond all proportion, both in number and influence, those of every description who will be employed in the administration of the federal system. Compare the members of the three great departments of the thirteen States, excluding from the judiciary department the justices of peace, with the members of the corresponding departments of the single government of the Union; compare the militia officers of three millions of people with the military and marine officers of any establishment which is within the compass of probability, or, I may add, of possibility, and in this view alone, we may pronounce the advantage of the States to be decisive. If the federal government is to have collectors of revenue, the State governments will have theirs also. And as those of the former will be principally on the seacoast, and not very numerous, whilst those of the latter will be spread over the face of the country, and will be very numerous, the advantage in this view also lies on the same side. It is true, that the Confederacy is to possess, and may exercise, the power of collecting internal as well as external taxes throughout the States; but it is probable that this power will not be resorted to, except for supplemental purposes of revenue; that an option will then be given to the States to supply their quotas by previous collections of their own; and that the eventual collection, under the immediate authority of the Union, will generally be made by the officers, and according to the rules, appointed by the several States. Indeed it is extremely probable, that in other instances, particularly in the organization of the judicial power, the officers of the States will be clothed with the correspondent authority of the Union. Should it happen, however, that separate collectors of internal revenue should be appointed under the federal government, the influence of the whole number would not bear a comparison with that of the multitude of State officers in the opposite scale. Within every district to which a federal collector would be allotted, there would not be less than thirty or forty, or even more, officers of different descriptions, and many of them persons of character and weight, whose influence would lie on the side of the State.
*************************
And if that gets to complex for you, the same guy wrote:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
***********************************************
Hope that helps.
Not really, because you clearly don't know anything except for what other rightwingnut toons have told you.
all i'm going to say is that the federalist papers aren't law and aren't part of what binds us as a country.
caselaw of the supreme court and the constitution do.
let me use little words so you can understand...
all the nice words you just posted...
you understand none of them and they have nothing to do with this thread....
thanks for playing. please feel free to come back after you graduate high school.
does it hurt much to be as stupid as you are?
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Nothing Booker said taken was out of context. He made the mistake of stating how he honestly felt and then the Obama administration whacked him for wandering off the farm and told him he had better "clarify" what he "really" meant to say.
jillian
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really, you see the rightwingnuts saying that booker said the efforts at race baiting by the romney people was vile?
didn't think so.
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