Bondi fires 18 immigration judges

[georgephillip]

You just verified the reason illegals are hired.....so the companies can reap higher profits on the backs of illegals.

How do we justify arresting and deporting workers while virtually ignoring the capitalists who profit from their exploitation?

 

[struth]

At a higher wage and subject to all legal protections that undocumented workers seldom experience; how will that affect inflation?

Correct we don’t exploit humans. You all made the same arguments when we took your slaves

 

[M14 Shooter]

How do we justify arresting and deporting workers

They're here illegally.
This stands by itself.

while virtually ignoring the capitalists who profit from their exploitation?

So... prosecute them.
That we have not meaningfully done so in no way means we aren't justified in deporting illegals.

 

[Delldude]

How do we justify arresting and deporting workers while virtually ignoring the capitalists who profit from their exploitation?

Easy, the capitalists are here legally.

 

[struth]

How do we justify arresting and deporting workers while virtually ignoring the capitalists who profit from their exploitation?

Because they are here illegally

 

[georgephillip]

Because they are here illegally

How does ICE know which brown-skinned workers are here legally and which are not?

 

[georgephillip]

Easy, the capitalists are here legally.

Are they breaking any laws?

 

[struth]

How does ICE know which brown-skinned workers are here legally and which are not?

They ask for documents, they ask any immigrant, not just brown

Frankly the employer is required to ask first

 

[struth]

Are they breaking any laws?

If they knowingly hire illegals they are and during the prior Trump. Admin he got the largest penalty in history from an employer

Xiden changed the law, or well ignored it in order to encourage illegals to come here

 

[Delldude]

How does ICE know which brown-skinned workers are here legally and which are not?

Dead give away is running.

Are they breaking any laws?

Of course, but it looks like they weren't enforced during the last administration.

 

[georgephillip]

They're here illegally.
This stands by itself.

So... prosecute them.
That we have not meaningfully done so in no way means we aren't justified in deporting illegals.

1. The Law Is Not Absolute—Context and Discretion Matter​

• Not all laws are just or applied evenly. Throughout history, laws have permitted slavery, denied women the vote, or criminalized homosexuality.
• U.S. immigration laws are often complex, inconsistent, and historically biased. Many argue they should not be enforced blindly without regard to moral or humanitarian considerations.
• Prosecutorial discretion is standard in law enforcement (e.g., speeding isn't always punished), and immigration enforcement is no exception.

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2. Humanitarian and Moral Considerations​

• Many undocumented immigrants are escaping violence, poverty, or persecution, and often have no legal path to enter the U.S.
• Deporting individuals who have lived in the U.S. for years, raised families, and contributed economically often causes deep family trauma and violates humanitarian values.

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3. Economic and Social Contributions​

• As shown in your previous question, undocumented immigrants often work hard, pay taxes, support industries, and stimulate the economy.
• Deporting them may result in economic disruption, especially in agriculture, construction, and service sectors that rely heavily on their labor.

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4. The Role of U.S. Policy in Driving Migration​

• U.S. foreign and economic policies—including military interventions, trade agreements like NAFTA, and support for authoritarian regimes—have contributed to the instability and poverty driving migration from Latin America and elsewhere.
• Critics argue that the U.S. bears some responsibility for the conditions causing irregular migration and should not treat migrants as mere lawbreakers.

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5. Family and Community Ties​

• Millions of undocumented immigrants have U.S.-born children, spouses, or other close relatives who are citizens or legal residents.
• Mass deportation would tear families apart, harming children and disrupting communities.

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6. Ineffective and Costly Enforcement​

• Deporting every undocumented immigrant would be logistically impossible, politically unpopular, and enormously expensive (estimated in the hundreds of billions of dollars).
• A harsh enforcement-first approach may deter cooperation with law enforcement (e.g., reporting crimes), creating less safe communities.

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7. Historical and Legal Ambiguity​

• The U.S. immigration system has always had periods of lax enforcement and amnesties (e.g., Reagan's 1986 IRCA).
• Many immigrants have lived in the U.S. for decades without consequence, often with the tacit approval of employers and local communities.

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8. Pathways to Legalization Have Been Blocked​

• There are few or no legal avenues for many undocumented immigrants to regularize their status.
• Critics argue it's unjust to blame people for being undocumented when the system itself is broken or intentionally restrictive.

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Summary​

While the "illegal is illegal" argument relies on a strict interpretation of law, counterarguments emphasize:

• Human dignity
• Systemic complexity
• Economic reality
• Moral responsibility

In short, many argue that legality alone isn't a sufficient moral or practical basis for mass deportation. Would you like examples of how these arguments play out in specific policy debates (like DACA or TPS)?


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[georgephillip]

Because they are here illegally

Legality alone isn't a sufficient moral or practical basis for mass deportations especially when you factor in the costs to the US economy that would result from removing millions of productive workers from the labor force.

 

[georgephillip]

They ask for documents, they ask any immigrant, not just brown

Frankly the employer is required to ask first

Which specific documents to you think ICE requests when they conduct their sweeps?

 

[Foxfyre]

What makes you think removing those 12 million workers makes the US better?

"In the words of the press release that accompanied the Gallup poll released last Friday, 'a record-high 79 percent of U.S. adults say immigration is a good thing for the country.'

Trump’s deportations make Americans pro-immigrant again

"Despite years of Goebbels-esque xenophobic and Great Replacement propaganda from right-wing social media, the Murdoch network, and MAGA politicos, nothing has propelled Americans into a pro-immigrant posture like Stephen Miller’s orgy of deportations.

"Last year, Gallup found that fully 55 percent of Americans wanted immigration to our nation reduced.

"This year, in polling conducted over the month of June, when Miller’s masked troopers were visibly snatching Latinos from bus stops and swap meets, that percentage toppled to just 30 percent.

"From 2024 to 2025, the percentage of Republicans who think immigration is good for the country rose from 39 percent to 64 percent."

Another who can't distinguish between illegal migration and legal immigration?

Or who doesn't understand how combining the two is intellectually idisnonest?

 

[struth]

Legality alone isn't a sufficient moral or practical basis for mass deportations especially when you factor in the costs to the US economy that would result from removing millions of productive workers from the labor force.

Yes it is. If you are here illegally it’s illegal and enough to deport

 

[struth]

Which specific documents to you think ICE requests when they conduct their sweeps?

Visa. Or green card

 

[Concerned American]

Make sure your brown shirt is pressed

What have you got against UPS employees?

 

[georgephillip]

Another who can't distinguish between illegal migration and legal immigration?

Or who doesn't understand how combining the two is intellectually idisnonest?

It is far more dishonest to deport millions of productive Americans who have lived in the US for decades with few or no legal avenues to regularize their status.

It is patently unjust to blame people for being undocumented when the system itself is broken or intentionally restrictive against migrants without white skins.

 

[Delldude]

Legality alone isn't a sufficient moral or practical basis for mass deportations especially when you factor in the costs to the US economy that would result from removing millions of productive workers from the labor force.

That are working for below market wages replacing US citizens.

 

[georgephillip]

Visa. Or green card

US citizens with brown skins would have neither.
How do ICE cowboys distinguish legal brown skins from illegal brown skins?