Bondi fires 18 immigration judges

[multivita-man]

Yeah it's pretty obvious that the immigration judiciary was set up to stop deportation not to effect it.

It was set up to determine who has a legally valid claim to status in the United States, and who doesn't. I have no problem with detention until their status can be adjudicated, provided they are held in humane conditions and their cases are handled as expeditiously and fairly as possible.

An entirely different system is required here. Once you have evidence of illegality it should be a streamlined process. Is it going to scoop up innocent people along with guilty ones? Yeah probably.
Every law enforcement action does.

Once you go down that road, you open it up to abuse of power. We have the rule of law and due process for a reason.

 

[Hollie]

In order to determine eligibility for asylum, you need administrative capacity, which is now being conveniently removed.



Not at all. There's almost universal agreement that violent detainees should be expelled from the country. Most of the people ICE has detained recently are people without violent criminal history. Most don't even have a criminal history beyond illegal entry. Some are overstayers, which probably isn't even criminal - it's administrative.

The left intentionally overwhelmed “ administrative capacity” in a failed attempt to circumvent legitimate claims to asylum.

Visa overstays are not just administrative. They are intentional attempts to circumvent the law.

The left does everything they can to shield their violent illegals from deportation. Leftist judges even attempt to sneak them out the back door of courtrooms.

Twice-deported migrant rapist freed as Dems face heat for sanctuary policies

The release of a twice-deported rapist in Virginia is putting renewed focus on the dangers posed by Democrat-led sanctuary policies that limit cooperation with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

www.foxnews.com

 

[justoffal]

It was set up to determine who has a legally valid claim to status in the United States, and who doesn't. I have no problem with detention until their status can be adjudicated, provided they are held in humane conditions and their cases are handled as expeditiously and fairly as possible.



Once you go down that road, you open it up to abuse of power. We have the rule of law and due process for a reason.

Immigration judiciary has become a roadblock to the proper immigration system unfortunately. Using the slow processing times has become a weapon against proper deportation.
The problem with insisting on rule of law is that you're dealing with people who have no respect for that rule.

 

[multivita-man]

The left intentionally overwhelmed “ administrative capacity” in a failed attempt to circumvent legitimate claims to asylum.

You're letting your imagination and fears get the better of you. There's no evidence of such a scheme. There's obviously evidence that the sheer numbers of illegal migrants overwhelmed the system's capacity in the past several years, but that's not a conspiracy per se.

Visa overstays are not just administrative. They are intentional attempts to circumvent the law.

Overstaying is always administrative. Skipping out on removal orders and that sort of thing is when it can rise to the level of a criminal offense, but that's often not the case.

The left does everything they can to shield their violent illegals from deportation. Leftist judges even attempt to sneak them out the back door of courtrooms.

Twice-deported migrant rapist freed as Dems face heat for sanctuary policies

The release of a twice-deported rapist in Virginia is putting renewed focus on the dangers posed by Democrat-led sanctuary policies that limit cooperation with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

www.foxnews.com

Sanctuary city policies came into existence because local law enforcement and other officials didn't want to task themselves with the responsibility of holding and detaining people for federal immigration violations. They have other priorities.

 

[M14 Shooter]

1. The Law Is Not Absolute—Context and Discretion Matter​

All I see here is your inability to deliver a cogent response to my post.
As per the norm.

 

[multivita-man]

Immigration judiciary has become a roadblock to the proper immigration system unfortunately. Using the slow processing times has become a weapon against proper deportation.
The problem with insisting on rule of law is that you're dealing with people who have no respect for that rule.

Insisting on the rule of law is never a problem, except for dictators.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Once you go down that road, you open it up to abuse of power. We have the rule of law and due process for a reason.

We've been going down that road since 1996, when the Clinton Administration enacted the "expedited removal" process.
Funny how no one cared until Trump came into office in 2025.

 

[Hollie]

You're letting your imagination and fears get the better of you. There's no evidence of such a scheme. There's obviously evidence that the sheer numbers of illegal migrants overwhelmed the system's capacity in the past several years, but that's not a conspiracy per se.



Overstaying is always administrative. Skipping out on removal orders and that sort of thing is when it can rise to the level of a criminal offense, but that's often not the case.



Sanctuary city policies came into existence because local law enforcement and other officials didn't want to task themselves with the responsibility of holding and detaining people for federal immigration violations. They have other priorities.

You’re letting your politico- religious ideology interfere with the facts. Leftist NGO’s were coaching illegals on how to game the system when it came to phony asylum claims. The Biden administration knew that millions of asylum claims would overwhelm the system, hence, the phony “parole” garbage that allowed democrats to dump millions of illegals into the country.

Visa overstays are intentional acts to circumvent the law. Lax enforcement is used by illegals to break the law.

Sanctuary cities came into existence because of leftist politico-religious ideology. Illegals were viewed as a protected class deserving of entitlements and privileges.

 

[multivita-man]

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We've been going down that road since 1996, when the Clinton Administration enacted the "expedited removal" process.
Funny how no one cared until Trump came into office in 2025.

Then what's the problem with going down that road and just adding more officers at the border and stepping up more enforcement actions on employers who knowingly hire and use illegal immigrants? Maybe make E-Verify a standard hiring requirement for all employers with more than X number of employees.

There are ways to do this. Republicans have just chosen to make this a political football to the point where they claim that the system is broken and that the only fix is to violate people's rights, which is what dictators all over the world and throughout history tend to do. The whole 'let's just do away with the rule of law' because illegals is a test balloon for other abuses of power.

 

[Cellblock2429]

What makes you think removing those 12 million workers makes the US better?

"In the words of the press release that accompanied the Gallup poll released last Friday, 'a record-high 79 percent of U.S. adults say immigration is a good thing for the country.'

Trump’s deportations make Americans pro-immigrant again

"Despite years of Goebbels-esque xenophobic and Great Replacement propaganda from right-wing social media, the Murdoch network, and MAGA politicos, nothing has propelled Americans into a pro-immigrant posture like Stephen Miller’s orgy of deportations.

"Last year, Gallup found that fully 55 percent of Americans wanted immigration to our nation reduced.

"This year, in polling conducted over the month of June, when Miller’s masked troopers were visibly snatching Latinos from bus stops and swap meets, that percentage toppled to just 30 percent.

"From 2024 to 2025, the percentage of Republicans who think immigration is good for the country rose from 39 percent to 64 percent."

/----/ Libtards still ignoring the elephant in the room.
"a record-high 79 percent of U.S. adults say immigration is a good thing for the country.'" Me too. It's the ILLEGAL immigrants I have an issue with. Do a survey on that. You won't, of course.

And from your link: These findings are based on a June 2-26 Gallup poll of 1,402 U.S. adults, including oversamples of Hispanic and Black Americans, weighted to match national demographics.

 

[Delldude]

They want to grab, deport to some rando African country, and everyone can ask questions later.

In many cases the country they came from doesn't want them back.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Then what's the problem with going down that road and just adding more officers at the border and stepping up more enforcement actions on employers who knowingly hire and use illegal immigrants?

Nothing.
The only people opposed to this are those who want to keep the illegals here, and who want to let more illegals in.

There are ways to do this. Republicans have just chosen to make this a political football to the point where they claim that the system is broken and that the only fix is to violate people's rights...

I don't think the Republicans have an issue with the system, or the rule of law as we have it now.

Democrats? They came up with the current rule of law, and hate it*.



* They hate it because Trump - they didn't give a hoot in hell when Clinton and Obama use the same law to deport millions.

 

[defcon4]

"So, the best-available evidence indicates fewer than 100 convictions over approximately two decades—even though millions of votes are cast every year. While any illegal vote is a violation of the law, these incidents are extraordinarily rare and have never been shown to affect election outcomes.

How about the importance of congressional (re)districting including illegal aliens in the census?

 

[multivita-man]

In many cases the country they came from doesn't want them back.

Or we don't have diplomatic relations with the country, or they would take them back but won't guarantee their safety. Maybe I have less sympathy for someone who commits a violent offense in this country, but it's been well-established that many of the current detainees have no criminal history beyond their immigration offenses.

 

[multivita-man]

Nothing.
The only people opposed to this are those who want to keep the illegals here, and who want to let more illegals in.

No, the people opposed to this have no problem with increased enforcement at the border and increased apprehension of people deliberately skipping out on deportation hearings, etc. What we're opposed to is abandoning due process in favor of efficiency. Even foreigners have some basic right of due process, or at least they did until the Federalist Society judges on the SCOTUS decided they're no longer interested in enforcing the separation of powers and are fine with letting this little unitarian presidency experiment get carried out.

I don't think the Republicans have an issue with the system, or the rule of law as we have it now.

Democrats? They came up with the current rule of law, and hate it*.

* They hate it because Trump - they didn't give a hoot in hell when Clinton and Obama use the same law to deport millions.

For starters, there were critics on the left of both Obama and Clinton's use of expedited removal.

In Trump's case, it's a matter of degree. It's also a matter of intent. ICE's indiscriminate sweeps are also problematic.

 

[M14 Shooter]

No, the people opposed to this have no problem with increased enforcement at the border and increased apprehension of people deliberately skipping out on deportation hearings, etc. What we're opposed to is abandoning due process in favor of efficiency.

The due process afforded these people now is the same due process afforded these people since 1996.
Its been 30 years - the law hasn't changed significantly, and the law has not been taken to court.
Why the problem now?

For starters, there were critics on the left of both Obama and Clinton's use of expedited removal.

A fart in a hurricane compared to today.
Clinton and Obama (and Bush and Trump45 and Congress) ignored the critics and enforced the law.

In Trump's case, it's a matter of degree. It's also a matter of intent. ICE's indiscriminate sweeps are also problematic.

Degree of what? He's enforcing the law a LOT? That makes the law bad?
Problematic? He's aggressively enforcing the law? Isn't that what he said he would do? That makes the law bad?

 

[TimFitz]

Right wing hide behind? You mean the rule of law? Yes it is

Right wing hide behind.

You know full well that using legal immigration as an excuse really means little or no immigration at all. You’re just pretending that it isn’t.

 

[Delldude]

What we're opposed to is abandoning due process in favor of efficiency.

I think that was referred to as 'speed over fairness' under Obama.

 

[struth]

Right wing hide behind.

You know full well that using legal immigration as an excuse really means little or no immigration at all. You’re just pretending that it isn’t.

What are you talking about?? Why do you think legal immigrant is little immigrantion? We are a nation founded on legal immigrantion and the rule of law

Something you Demafacist want to destroy

 

[georgephillip]

How about the importance of congressional (re)districting including illegal aliens in the census?

Article 1, Section 2 of the US Constitution requires a count of the "whole number of persons in each state." Counting all residents, regardless of legal status, ensures congressional representation reflects the actual population.

Any legitimate concern with how congressional redistricting corrupts the electoral process starts here:

Trump Lost. Vote Suppression Won.