Boehner: President Obama Should Lead, Not Cast Blame

[Stephanie]

Let's see now. Hispanics.....more next time. Blacks....more next time, Women....more next time, young folks....more next time, Gays and Lesbians....more next time, etc.

You folks got a majority in two demographics...White males and seniors over 65 years old. Unless you change your "Everything For The Rich" attitude you will never win again.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to calculate that.

I see it doesn't..you calculated it.

Like I said......you Republicans just keep on listening to Lush Rambo and watching Sean Hannity and you'll never win another election. Hell.....Fox is still fabricating reasons why Romulus didn't win.

gawd, SHUT UP about Fox and Limbaugh..no one cares what you say anymore..you are nothing but a ranting blowhard

 

[beretta304]

I see it doesn't..you calculated it.

Like I said......you Republicans just keep on listening to Lush Rambo and watching Sean Hannity and you'll never win another election. Hell.....Fox is still fabricating reasons why Romulus didn't win.

gawd, SHUT UP about Fox and Limbaugh..no one cares what you say anymore..you are nothing but a ranting blowhard

Same drivel...every post. Like a one note song.

 

[WillowTree]

WASHINGTON, DC – House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) released the following statement in response to President Obama’s appearance on Meet the Press this morning.
“Americans elected President Obama to lead, not cast blame. The president’s comments today are ironic, as a recurring theme of our negotiations was his unwillingness to agree to anything that would require him to stand up to his own party. Needed cuts and reforms that the president agreed to just last year were no longer on the table, as he cited an inability to sell them to Democrats. What was that about the Tea Party obstructing?

“In an effort to get the president to agree to cut spending -- which is the problem -- I put revenues on the table last year, and I put them on the table again last month. Republicans made every effort to reach the ‘balanced’ deficit agreement that the president promised the American people, while the president has continued to insist on a package skewed dramatically in favor of higher taxes that would destroy jobs. We’ve been reasonable and responsible. The president is the one who has never been able to get to ‘yes.’

“The House has passed legislation to avert the entire fiscal cliff, and the president has never called for the Senate to act on those bills in any way. He instead has simply allowed the Democratic-controlled Senate to sit on them and lead our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff. I am pleased Senators from both parties are currently working to find a bipartisan solution that can finally pass that chamber. That is the type of leadership America needs, not what they saw from the president this morning.”


Boehner: President Obama Should Lead, Not Cast Blame | Speaker.gov

obama doesn't know how to lead, he knows how to divide and to destroy, but leading is above his pay grade.

 

[beretta304]

WASHINGTON, DC – House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) released the following statement in response to President Obama’s appearance on Meet the Press this morning.
“Americans elected President Obama to lead, not cast blame. The president’s comments today are ironic, as a recurring theme of our negotiations was his unwillingness to agree to anything that would require him to stand up to his own party. Needed cuts and reforms that the president agreed to just last year were no longer on the table, as he cited an inability to sell them to Democrats. What was that about the Tea Party obstructing?

“In an effort to get the president to agree to cut spending -- which is the problem -- I put revenues on the table last year, and I put them on the table again last month. Republicans made every effort to reach the ‘balanced’ deficit agreement that the president promised the American people, while the president has continued to insist on a package skewed dramatically in favor of higher taxes that would destroy jobs. We’ve been reasonable and responsible. The president is the one who has never been able to get to ‘yes.’

“The House has passed legislation to avert the entire fiscal cliff, and the president has never called for the Senate to act on those bills in any way. He instead has simply allowed the Democratic-controlled Senate to sit on them and lead our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff. I am pleased Senators from both parties are currently working to find a bipartisan solution that can finally pass that chamber. That is the type of leadership America needs, not what they saw from the president this morning.”


Boehner: President Obama Should Lead, Not Cast Blame | Speaker.gov

obama doesn't know how to lead, he knows how to divide and to destroy, but leading is above his pay grade.

We pay him? What a waste of taxpayer's money.

 

[Oldstyle]

Let's be honest here folks...President Obama has made a political calculation that because polling shows the American people will blame the GOP more than him for us going over the fiscal cliff, that it's politically advantageous for him to let that happen rather than lead the country by working out a compromise.

So we're about to get a raise to the capital gains tax that will take us to 28%. Let me explain to some of you "economically challenged" progressives what that means in a real world perspective. At this very moment some extremely bright, Bill Gates wannabe, is deciding where he or she is going to start up the next Microsoft. They can do so in the US where investors and themselves will be taxed at a 28% rate if and when they do make a profit or they can do so in say, India where there is a 0% capital gains tax. Now where do you, oh so bright liberals, think that new industry is going to get built?

If you're an American out of work I feel sorry for you because your chances of finding a job just got substantially harder because of what's about to happen on the first of January.

But "team Obama" is going to get a political win out of this...and THAT'S what's REALLY important...right? (eye-roll)

There has literally years to work this out. If you can answer me what is the hold up we, and the rest of America, can debate the merits of that. Truth of the matter is republicans have always preferred to have government behind closed doors so no one, not even you, can say what the republicans beef is. I guess if we did know blaming Obama would be a bit trickier.

Kindly explain to me the reason that we're raising the capital gains tax, Empty. It's an absolutely clueless thing to do from an economic standpoint...yet we're about to do it anyways. Why?

 

[Sallow]

He's a leader alright...he's leading us into disaster.

Leading us Foward....off the cliff

And just what about the "Fiscal Cliff" is really a cliff?

Most economists are talking about a .7 uptick in UE. There might be a mild recession too.

But isn't that worth it to get spending under control?

What?

No answer?

Why am I not surprised.

 

[Sallow]

Let's be honest here folks...President Obama has made a political calculation that because polling shows the American people will blame the GOP more than him for us going over the fiscal cliff, that it's politically advantageous for him to let that happen rather than lead the country by working out a compromise.

So we're about to get a raise to the capital gains tax that will take us to 28%. Let me explain to some of you "economically challenged" progressives what that means in a real world perspective. At this very moment some extremely bright, Bill Gates wannabe, is deciding where he or she is going to start up the next Microsoft. They can do so in the US where investors and themselves will be taxed at a 28% rate if and when they do make a profit or they can do so in say, India where there is a 0% capital gains tax. Now where do you, oh so bright liberals, think that new industry is going to get built?

If you're an American out of work I feel sorry for you because your chances of finding a job just got substantially harder because of what's about to happen on the first of January.

But "team Obama" is going to get a political win out of this...and THAT'S what's REALLY important...right? (eye-roll)

There has literally years to work this out. If you can answer me what is the hold up we, and the rest of America, can debate the merits of that. Truth of the matter is republicans have always preferred to have government behind closed doors so no one, not even you, can say what the republicans beef is. I guess if we did know blaming Obama would be a bit trickier.

Kindly explain to me the reason that we're raising the capital gains tax, Empty. It's an absolutely clueless thing to do from an economic standpoint...yet we're about to do it anyways. Why?

Why is it "clueless"?

It's a damn good idea.

If you are going to sit on your ass making money from money..then it should be taxed if the same as if you were busting your ass to make money.

 

[Cammmpbell]

He's a leader alright...he's leading us into disaster.

Leading us Foward....off the cliff

And just what about the "Fiscal Cliff" is really a cliff?

Most economists are talking about a .7 uptick in UE. There might be a mild recession too.

But isn't that worth it to get spending under control?

Where the hell were you while Reagan and the Bushes borrowed trillions to cover for tax cuts they gave the millionaires? They never cut spending a goddam dime:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

 

[beretta304]

Leading us Foward....off the cliff

And just what about the "Fiscal Cliff" is really a cliff?

Most economists are talking about a .7 uptick in UE. There might be a mild recession too.

But isn't that worth it to get spending under control?

Where the hell were you while Reagan and the Bushes borrowed trillions to cover for tax cuts they gave the millionaires? They never cut spending a goddam dime:

Total U S Debt







09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

There's some stats that we haven't seen him post in...oh 3 or 4 days.

 

[freedombecki]

obama is leading america.... Right over the fiscal cliff...

^^^^^ truest post of the year !!!! ^^^^^

 

[Sallow]

And just what about the "Fiscal Cliff" is really a cliff?

Most economists are talking about a .7 uptick in UE. There might be a mild recession too.

But isn't that worth it to get spending under control?

Where the hell were you while Reagan and the Bushes borrowed trillions to cover for tax cuts they gave the millionaires? They never cut spending a goddam dime:

Total U S Debt







09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

There's some stats that we haven't seen him post in...oh 3 or 4 days.

Still hasn't sunk in.

Math hurts.

 

[beretta304]

Where the hell were you while Reagan and the Bushes borrowed trillions to cover for tax cuts they gave the millionaires? They never cut spending a goddam dime:

Total U S Debt







09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

There's some stats that we haven't seen him post in...oh 3 or 4 days.

Still hasn't sunk in.

Math hurts.

The only thing sinking here are your replies...

 

[Oldstyle]

He's a leader alright...he's leading us into disaster.

Leading us Foward....off the cliff

And just what about the "Fiscal Cliff" is really a cliff?

Most economists are talking about a .7 uptick in UE. There might be a mild recession too.

But isn't that worth it to get spending under control?

You really are delusional. Democrats refuse to address spending in entitlements. Entitlements make up the vast majority of our government spending. Unless you reform entitlements you'll NEVER get spending under control.

So you're willing to put hundreds of thousands more Americans out of work simply because you're not willing to shrink the size of government? A government that is so bloated and wasteful that it's become farce to try and portray it as anything else?

 

[beretta304]

Leading us Foward....off the cliff

And just what about the "Fiscal Cliff" is really a cliff?

Most economists are talking about a .7 uptick in UE. There might be a mild recession too.

But isn't that worth it to get spending under control?

You really are delusional. Democrats refuse to address spending in entitlements. Entitlements make up the vast majority of our government spending. Unless you reform entitlements you'll NEVER get spending under control.

So you're willing to put hundreds of thousands more Americans out of work simply because you're not willing to shrink the size of government? A government that is so bloated and wasteful that it's become farce to try and portray it as anything else?

Tax and spend...the only two words they know...

 

[Oldstyle]

There has literally years to work this out. If you can answer me what is the hold up we, and the rest of America, can debate the merits of that. Truth of the matter is republicans have always preferred to have government behind closed doors so no one, not even you, can say what the republicans beef is. I guess if we did know blaming Obama would be a bit trickier.

Kindly explain to me the reason that we're raising the capital gains tax, Empty. It's an absolutely clueless thing to do from an economic standpoint...yet we're about to do it anyways. Why?

Why is it "clueless"?

It's a damn good idea.

If you are going to sit on your ass making money from money..then it should be taxed if the same as if you were busting your ass to make money.

It's a "damn good idea"?

Let me see if I can explain this so even someone as simple minded as you can understand it, Sallow. The average rate of capital gains taxation in the developed world is now hovering around 15%. In countries like China and India it is 0%. We're about to raise OURS to 28%. Now where do you think that investors are going to start up new companies or expand existing ones? Raising the capital gains tax to what we are is a form of economic hari kari.

 

[Cammmpbell]

And just what about the "Fiscal Cliff" is really a cliff?

Most economists are talking about a .7 uptick in UE. There might be a mild recession too.

But isn't that worth it to get spending under control?

Where the hell were you while Reagan and the Bushes borrowed trillions to cover for tax cuts they gave the millionaires? They never cut spending a goddam dime:

Total U S Debt







09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

There's some stats that we haven't seen him post in...oh 3 or 4 days.

And some which you and the others continue to ignore. When Reagan and the Bushes were borrowing 80% of all the debt which at that time had accumulated over 232 years to cover tax cuts for milionaires the Republicans were basking in financial sunshine. They never cut spending a goddam dime. How in the name of goodness can any sane human fail to see that?

 

[Merchant_of_Meh]

It's this Congress on a whole. So much posturing and bloviating. They are the least productive in US history and rightfully so. Why is it surprising that when we need them most to act swiftly and decisively, they go missing? This is par for the course with this group of career politicians. I don't see anything meaningful happening today other than another watered down, meaningless extension of an extension of an extension. I would really prefer we not go over the cliff, but If we do, maybe that's not the worst thing in the world. Hopefully it jump starts meaningful change. It's just unfortunate that such change has to come like this.

Boehner can talk about who should lead and Obama can talk about who hasn't shown up, but from my perspective, that's all moot and academic. That is fantasy. The reality is that because these 2 are unable to put their differences aside, I will have to tighten by belt and sacrifice. Maybe that's a blessing in disguise, but nonetheless, a blessing that will be someone else's curse.

We have always fought over budget priorities, and putting differences aside has always happened in the give-and-take of the budget process.

Harry Reid has intentionally destroyed the budget process because he refuses to negotiate with the people's elected House of Representatives.

The result? End on end crisis management, by design.


Worst Ever leadership.

We can't put this all on Harry Reid though. Nor can it be put all on Boehner or McConnell or Obama.

It's a collective failure at leadership.

 

[beretta304]

Where the hell were you while Reagan and the Bushes borrowed trillions to cover for tax cuts they gave the millionaires? They never cut spending a goddam dime:

Total U S Debt







09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

There's some stats that we haven't seen him post in...oh 3 or 4 days.

And some which you and the others continue to ignore. When Reagan and the Bushes were borrowing 80% of all the debt which at that time had accumulated over 232 years to cover tax cuts for milionaires the Republicans were basking in financial sunshine. They never cut spending a goddam dime. How in the name of goodness can any sane human fail to see that?

The thread is about Boehner and oBUMa but pops wants to talk about Reagan and Bush.

 

[emptystep]

Leading us Foward....off the cliff

And just what about the "Fiscal Cliff" is really a cliff?

Most economists are talking about a .7 uptick in UE. There might be a mild recession too.

But isn't that worth it to get spending under control?

You really are delusional. Democrats refuse to address spending in entitlements. Entitlements make up the vast majority of our government spending. Unless you reform entitlements you'll NEVER get spending under control.

So you're willing to put hundreds of thousands more Americans out of work simply because you're not willing to shrink the size of government? A government that is so bloated and wasteful that it's become farce to try and portray it as anything else?

Now! Now you are worried about entitlement reform. They need to get a budget passed 'now' and if entitlement reform is such an issue then revisit in the coming weeks. This 'oh while we are doing some work I meant to say' bs is just unreal. Seriously? Seriously?

 

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He's a leader alright...he's leading us into disaster.

Leading us Foward....off the cliff

And just what about the "Fiscal Cliff" is really a cliff?

Most economists are talking about a .7 uptick in UE. There might be a mild recession too.

But isn't that worth it to get spending under control?

That might be a very logic way of looking at it there is however something to factor in. My wife I would say is averagely knowable about the 'fiscal cliff' and other such matters. When I showed her the ramifications of the cliff's occurrence she was quite taken aback.

I think there are many Americans out there who are like 'oh no, the cliff' but have no idea what that implies. When they start hearing real numbers about what just happened they are going to say, 'Who the **** let this just happen!!!" It might not be riots in the street but come January first, as what just happens begins to sink in, there is going to be an outcry like we have never heard in this country.