Boehner: President Obama Should Lead, Not Cast Blame

[EriktheRed]

Sorry darlin', but all the "wishing" is on the GOP side. My statement is actually supported by polls...(and a nationwide election in which the President won in an electoral landslide)

doesn't matter, he only won with the people by a small margin..we don't live in a mob Democracy yet, though some of you wish we did

LOL...he won by a greater margin that George Bush did his 2nd term. I'm willing to bet you even though Bushie had a "mandate" back then didn't you? Of course you did. You parrot the RW talking points to such a "t", that I have no doubt you thought Bush had a mandate.

No, we don't live in a Democracy, but he won both the popular vote and in our non-democratic system. He won that in an actual landslide.

The facts are that the American people want taxes raised on those making over $250K. Polls prove it and an election proved it. The GOP needs to give up their pledge to Grover Norquist and do the will of the people.

Looks like the Dems might be caving on it at the last minute, though...no big surprise if it's true.

 

[Oldstyle]

Let's just keep running with the automobile analogy here. It is like saying. "Shit, I need to change my tires because it will snow next week and if I don't I will surely crash." At the moment however you are coasting straight for a cliff because your brake pedal is broken and you will not pull the hand brake.

Yes, changing the tires must be done but you should have taken that seriously yesterday.

With all due respect, Empty? The so called fiscal cliff is just a preview for what's going to happen to this country if we don't address entitlements and cut government spending. This constant refrain from the Left that we can deal with the deficit "somewhere down the road" is a head in the sand approach that's going to turn us into a larger Greece, except in our case there is no Germany to bail us out. If we continue on this idiotic course we're now on we will crash and burn and we will take the rest of the world with us.

Pos rep for the respect part.

Friday, December 28, 2012 republican Tennessee Senators Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker held a press conference about the Medicare fiscal cliff. Call me cynical but I am just a little suspect about the timing of this. Just how hard have they been pushing this before the 28th? Don't get me wrong. I am all for fixing the problem we face. I am not in favor of throwing sand in the American's eyes.

Also you say entitlements and spending. Exactly what that encompasses other the Medicare reform no one really seems to be sure. What are the sticking points of a budget deal other than taxes on the wealthy?

Since the proposed tax increase will amount (in a best case scenario) in enough revenue being raised to run the government for about 8 days, Empty...it's obvious that this isn't a revenue problem. I'm not going to go all "talking point" on you but the truth of the matter is that we desperately need to reform entitlements because they are the major source of our debt and as more and more Baby Boomers retire that will only get worse. The "sticking point" of the budget negotiations is that the Democrats refuse to include entitlements in the discussion.

To use your "car analogy" that would be like your mechanic tells you that you've got a severe head gasket leak that you need to fix now or you're going to blow your engine but you tell him you'll get to that next Spring...but you would like him to rotate the tires and add some windshield wiper fluid.

 

[emptystep]

With all due respect, Empty? The so called fiscal cliff is just a preview for what's going to happen to this country if we don't address entitlements and cut government spending. This constant refrain from the Left that we can deal with the deficit "somewhere down the road" is a head in the sand approach that's going to turn us into a larger Greece, except in our case there is no Germany to bail us out. If we continue on this idiotic course we're now on we will crash and burn and we will take the rest of the world with us.

Pos rep for the respect part.

Friday, December 28, 2012 republican Tennessee Senators Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker held a press conference about the Medicare fiscal cliff. Call me cynical but I am just a little suspect about the timing of this. Just how hard have they been pushing this before the 28th? Don't get me wrong. I am all for fixing the problem we face. I am not in favor of throwing sand in the American's eyes.

Also you say entitlements and spending. Exactly what that encompasses other the Medicare reform no one really seems to be sure. What are the sticking points of a budget deal other than taxes on the wealthy?

Since the proposed tax increase will amount (in a best case scenario) in enough revenue being raised to run the government for about 8 days, Empty...it's obvious that this isn't a revenue problem. I'm not going to go all "talking point" on you but the truth of the matter is that we desperately need to reform entitlements because they are the major source of our debt and as more and more Baby Boomers retire that will only get worse. The "sticking point" of the budget negotiations is that the Democrats refuse to include entitlements in the discussion.

To use your "car analogy" that would be like your mechanic tells you that you've got a severe head gasket leak that you need to fix now or you're going to blow your engine but you tell him you'll get to that next Spring...but you would like him to rotate the tires and add some windshield wiper fluid.

First of all a blown head gasket will not blow your engine so get another mechanic. Second if you are going to need the car tomorrow or you lose your job then you get your tires rotated, get some windshield wiper fluid, and come back, to a different mechanic, to replace the head gasket. (Are we taking inline 6, V-8, or my favorite, the 352 flathead Ford?)

 

[Cammmpbell]

That might be a very logic way of looking at it there is however something to factor in. My wife I would say is averagely knowable about the 'fiscal cliff' and other such matters. When I showed her the ramifications of the cliff's occurrence she was quite taken aback.

I think there are many Americans out there who are like 'oh no, the cliff' but have no idea what that implies. When they start hearing real numbers about what just happened they are going to say, 'Who the fuck let this just happen!!!" It might not be riots in the street but come January first, as what just happens begins to sink in, there is going to be an outcry like we have never heard in this country.

You're probably wrong about the outcry but if anybody is due one it's the 98% of Americans who have watched the Republicans hold out for the other 2%. The Republican party is almost history in this country.

Anyone miss that? He only posted it about 18 times in a few hours today in addition to 1000 times in the last month.

Don't want anyone to feel left out...

It's like the bible thumping......I don't want to miss any opportunity to stick in a word...or sentence...or paragraph...or epistle...

...or all of the above.

 

[emptystep]

Obama to talk in a couple minutes.
Pres. Obama Remarks on 'Fiscal Cliff' | C-SPAN

 

[beretta304]

You're probably wrong about the outcry but if anybody is due one it's the 98% of Americans who have watched the Republicans hold out for the other 2%. The Republican party is almost history in this country.

Anyone miss that? He only posted it about 18 times in a few hours today in addition to 1000 times in the last month.

Don't want anyone to feel left out...

It's like the bible thumping......I don't want to miss any opportunity to stick in a word...or sentence...or paragraph...or epistle...

...or all of the above.

We see that. In between naps...we see that as well.

 

[mjollnir]

Leading us Foward....off the cliff

And just what about the "Fiscal Cliff" is really a cliff?

Most economists are talking about a .7 uptick in UE. There might be a mild recession too.

But isn't that worth it to get spending under control?

You really are delusional. Democrats refuse to address spending in entitlements. Entitlements make up the vast majority of our government spending. Unless you reform entitlements you'll NEVER get spending under control.

So you're willing to put hundreds of thousands more Americans out of work simply because you're not willing to shrink the size of government? A government that is so bloated and wasteful that it's become farce to try and portray it as anything else?

The 'vast' majority? Really?

US Defense Budget: US Federal Budget FY12 Estimated Spending Breakdown - Pie Chart

 

[kiwiman127]

WASHINGTON, DC – House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) released the following statement in response to President Obama’s appearance on Meet the Press this morning.
“Americans elected President Obama to lead, not cast blame. The president’s comments today are ironic, as a recurring theme of our negotiations was his unwillingness to agree to anything that would require him to stand up to his own party. Needed cuts and reforms that the president agreed to just last year were no longer on the table, as he cited an inability to sell them to Democrats. What was that about the Tea Party obstructing?

“In an effort to get the president to agree to cut spending -- which is the problem -- I put revenues on the table last year, and I put them on the table again last month. Republicans made every effort to reach the ‘balanced’ deficit agreement that the president promised the American people, while the president has continued to insist on a package skewed dramatically in favor of higher taxes that would destroy jobs. We’ve been reasonable and responsible. The president is the one who has never been able to get to ‘yes.’

“The House has passed legislation to avert the entire fiscal cliff, and the president has never called for the Senate to act on those bills in any way. He instead has simply allowed the Democratic-controlled Senate to sit on them and lead our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff. I am pleased Senators from both parties are currently working to find a bipartisan solution that can finally pass that chamber. That is the type of leadership America needs, not what they saw from the president this morning.”


Boehner: President Obama Should Lead, Not Cast Blame | Speaker.gov

Over 55 posts-per-day!

You my mother? Do I answer to you? No I didn't think so, so STFU. And jillian used that ages ago.

You must be retired with not much on your plate to keep you occupied.
Speaking of nothing on plates, it seems the only serious plan that Obama has to address the fiscal cliff is raising taxes on the very wealthy. Now I have no problem with his revenue increasing ideas, but we also need to cut spending. Also, it's not just the wealthy should scarifice but everyone should sacrifice to give their country financial economic stability.

 

[beretta304]

Over 55 posts-per-day!

You my mother? Do I answer to you? No I didn't think so, so STFU. And jillian used that ages ago.

You must be retired with not much on your plate to keep you occupied.Speaking of nothing on plates, it seems the only serious plan that Obama has to address the fiscal cliff is raising taxes on the very wealthy. Now I have no problem with his revenue increasing ideas, but we also need to cut spending. Also, it's not just the wealthy should scarifice but everyone should sacrifice to give their country financial economic stability.

What the fuck business is it of yours what I do? Other than jillian is on your friend's list and you got that line and your previous one from her, what do you care? You can't even be original. My post count is my business obviously you're the one with too much time since you needed to go to my profile page to see it and make a point of it.

Your nonsense, I don't need in the new year...

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kiwiman127

 

[kiwiman127]

You my mother? Do I answer to you? No I didn't think so, so STFU. And jillian used that ages ago.

You must be retired with not much on your plate to keep you occupied.Speaking of nothing on plates, it seems the only serious plan that Obama has to address the fiscal cliff is raising taxes on the very wealthy. Now I have no problem with his revenue increasing ideas, but we also need to cut spending. Also, it's not just the wealthy should sacrifice but everyone should sacrifice to give their country financial economic stability.

What the fuck business is it of yours what I do? Other than jillian is on your friend's list and you got that line and your previous one from her, what do you care? You can't even be original. My post count is my business obviously you're the one with too much time since you needed to go to my profile page to see it and make a point of it.

Your nonsense, I don't need in the new year...

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kiwiman127

Jillian is on my friend list because I like her, some times agree with her and other times I don't. Jillian is a quality person and that's what counts with me.
It's just I post a tad over four times a day, so 55 times a day just takes my breath away. The whole point is that your dedication to posting that much just amazes me. Now that's dedication and is admirable (?).

 

[oreo]

WASHINGTON, DC – House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) released the following statement in response to President Obama’s appearance on Meet the Press this morning.
“Americans elected President Obama to lead, not cast blame. The president’s comments today are ironic, as a recurring theme of our negotiations was his unwillingness to agree to anything that would require him to stand up to his own party. Needed cuts and reforms that the president agreed to just last year were no longer on the table, as he cited an inability to sell them to Democrats. What was that about the Tea Party obstructing?

“In an effort to get the president to agree to cut spending -- which is the problem -- I put revenues on the table last year, and I put them on the table again last month. Republicans made every effort to reach the ‘balanced’ deficit agreement that the president promised the American people, while the president has continued to insist on a package skewed dramatically in favor of higher taxes that would destroy jobs. We’ve been reasonable and responsible. The president is the one who has never been able to get to ‘yes.’

“The House has passed legislation to avert the entire fiscal cliff, and the president has never called for the Senate to act on those bills in any way. He instead has simply allowed the Democratic-controlled Senate to sit on them and lead our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff. I am pleased Senators from both parties are currently working to find a bipartisan solution that can finally pass that chamber. That is the type of leadership America needs, not what they saw from the president this morning.”


Boehner: President Obama Should Lead, Not Cast Blame | Speaker.gov

Obama is leading. I mean leading us right over the cliff.

 

[Cammmpbell]

And just what about the "Fiscal Cliff" is really a cliff?

Most economists are talking about a .7 uptick in UE. There might be a mild recession too.

But isn't that worth it to get spending under control?

You really are delusional. Democrats refuse to address spending in entitlements. Entitlements make up the vast majority of our government spending. Unless you reform entitlements you'll NEVER get spending under control.

So you're willing to put hundreds of thousands more Americans out of work simply because you're not willing to shrink the size of government? A government that is so bloated and wasteful that it's become farce to try and portray it as anything else?

The 'vast' majority? Really?

US Defense Budget: US Federal Budget FY12 Estimated Spending Breakdown - Pie Chart

LMAO!! It's a Fox News line. The interest on the Reagan/Bushes debt is about $450 billion a year. For comparison the government spends about $100 billion on education and less than that on the infrastructure. The defense budget is about $750 billion a year. Social security pays for itself. They have no more idea what they're talking about than what a farm yard hen knows about Sunday.

 

[Merchant_of_Meh]

We have always fought over budget priorities, and putting differences aside has always happened in the give-and-take of the budget process.

Harry Reid has intentionally destroyed the budget process because he refuses to negotiate with the people's elected House of Representatives.

The result? End on end crisis management, by design.


Worst Ever leadership.

We can't put this all on Harry Reid though. Nor can it be put all on Boehner or McConnell or Obama.

It's a collective failure at leadership.

While in the larger picture it can be seen as a collective failure when things go wrong, and the more wrong the more so, the mobs need something to focus on. It is already breaking bad for the republicans. I would sure hate to be one come January 1st.

Well I just can't bring myself to cast the GOP as the lone pantomime villain in this. The Democrats have been just as recalcitrant. Obama has blown himself up to appear to be tough and unmoving, but he's been conceding little by little every day. The man just doesn't stand his ground, even if he ends up being wrong on the issue. For that, he also shares some of the blame.

 

[Sallow]

You really are delusional. Democrats refuse to address spending in entitlements. Entitlements make up the vast majority of our government spending. Unless you reform entitlements you'll NEVER get spending under control.

So you're willing to put hundreds of thousands more Americans out of work simply because you're not willing to shrink the size of government? A government that is so bloated and wasteful that it's become farce to try and portray it as anything else?

The 'vast' majority? Really?

US Defense Budget: US Federal Budget FY12 Estimated Spending Breakdown - Pie Chart

LMAO!! It's a Fox News line. The interest on the Reagan/Bushes debt is about $450 billion a year. For comparison the government spends about $100 billion on education and less than that on the infrastructure. The defense budget is about $750 billion a year. Social security pays for itself. They have no more idea what they're talking about than what a farm yard hen knows about Sunday.

There are also costs which should be in the "defense" column..like Veterans Benefits..that aren't.

 

[Sallow]

We can't put this all on Harry Reid though. Nor can it be put all on Boehner or McConnell or Obama.

It's a collective failure at leadership.

While in the larger picture it can be seen as a collective failure when things go wrong, and the more wrong the more so, the mobs need something to focus on. It is already breaking bad for the republicans. I would sure hate to be one come January 1st.

Well I just can't bring myself to cast the GOP as the lone pantomime villain in this. The Democrats have been just as recalcitrant. Obama has blown himself up to appear to be tough and unmoving, but he's been conceding little by little every day. The man just doesn't stand his ground, even if he ends up being wrong on the issue. For that, he also shares some of the blame.

He's doing a much better job this time around.

 

[Sarah G]

I see it doesn't..you calculated it.

Like I said......you Republicans just keep on listening to Lush Rambo and watching Sean Hannity and you'll never win another election. Hell.....Fox is still fabricating reasons why Romulus didn't win.

gawd, SHUT UP about Fox and Limbaugh..no one cares what you say anymore..you are nothing but a ranting blowhard

And you aren't?

 

[Samson]

Like I said......you Republicans just keep on listening to Lush Rambo and watching Sean Hannity and you'll never win another election. Hell.....Fox is still fabricating reasons why Romulus didn't win.

gawd, SHUT UP about Fox and Limbaugh..no one cares what you say anymore..you are nothing but a ranting blowhard

And you aren't?

Happy New Year, Sarah!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Boehner: President Obama Should Lead, Not Cast Blame

Yeah....Ol' Boner's quite the judge o' Leadership!!!
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMYpHLtKUbc]Boehner explains why his Fiscal Cliff Plan B failed - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Sarah G]

gawd, SHUT UP about Fox and Limbaugh..no one cares what you say anymore..you are nothing but a ranting blowhard

And you aren't?

Happy New Year, Sarah!

Happy New Year, Samson. Let's make it the best year ever.

 

[edthecynic]

Boehner: President Obama Should Lead, Not Cast Blame

Yeah....Ol' Boner's quite the judge o' Leadership!!!
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMYpHLtKUbc"]Boehner explains why his Fiscal Cliff Plan B failed - YouTube[/ame]

It was fun to watch Can't-er hold Boner's leash!