Blowing Up Darwin

[Hollie]

The militant ID'iot creationists don't propose theories. The entirety of ID'iot creationism amounts to attacks on valid theories and supported principles of science. ID'iot creationists certainly could do research but don't, for obvious reasons: supernatural intervention by the gawds is not testable or demonstrable. So, they're left to screech out " the gawds did it".

As we see. The religious extremists are left befuddled and with no options but to cut and paste emoticons when their sacred cows are let out to pasture.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The record in this thread demonstrates an unwillingness by certain adherents of evolution, to rationally discuss a wide range of questions. Despite attempts by myself and several others here to do just that - most notably Robert W and PoliticalChic and Leo123.

We've asked pointed questions that the evolution devotees dismiss and ridicule rather than honestly and frankly answer. Their repeated refusal to engage in an honest rational way is what characterizes not only them, but the modern militant atheist movement today.

The record shows this, as any open minded honest person will soon see if they peruse the chains of discussion here. They do not want to discuss the scientific issues, the problem observations, all they actually want to do is attack those who raise the issues, attack those who do not share their religious zeal for pseudoscience.

One cannot be a genuine seeker after truth when one's primary intellectual tool is lies and intolerance for dissent - they represent a cult, the cult of scientism and they have nothing in common with true scientists, they are fakes, pseudo scientific fakes hiding behind rhetoric, bombast and ad-hominem.

That's why I've given up trying to reason with some of them, it's a waste of time and my reaction to their vacuous replies is simply

 

[Hollie]

The record in this thread demonstrates an unwillingness by certain adherents of evolution, to rationally discuss a wide range of questions. Despite attempts by myself and several others here to do just that - most notably Robert W and PoliticalChic and Leo123.

We've asked pointed questions that the evolution devotees dismiss and ridicule rather than honestly and frankly answer. Their repeated refusal to engage in an honest rational way is what characterizes not only them, but the modern militant atheist movement today.

The record shows this, as any open minded honest person will soon see if they peruse the chains of discussion here.

One cannot be a genuine seeker after truth when one's primary intellectual tool is lies and intolerance for dissent - they represent a cult, the cult of scientism.

Actually. The record of this thread demonstrates the hopelessness of religious extremists trying to replace the disciplines of science with their various gods.
ID'iot Creationism is a movement dedicated to discrediting evolution and attacking the rational explanation of nature. The attack on science and scientists makes up about 99% of their activities. What the ID’iots have never been able to resolve is that there is no scientific theory of creationism whether the religious fundies re-title their religion as “creationism”, "intelligent design" or otherwise. The hyper-religious simply have no coherent framework, no reliable data and don’t publish in research, technical, academic or professional journals. "Intelligent design creationism" does not meet the essential characteristics of science as outlined in several legal cases wherein the ID’iot creationers suffered humiliating losses and were derided by the courts as effectively wasting everyone’s time.

We can review past history by referencing Judge Overton's 1982 decision in McLean v. Arkansas wherein ID’iosy failed on several levels by not meeting the testable methods of science such as: 1) It is guided by natural laws, 2) It has to be explanatory by natural laws, 3) It is testable against the empirical world, 4) Its conclusions are tentative--subject to continual review and revision, and 5) It is falsifiable. On every point, "intelligent design" and every other form of creationism fail as science.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The record in this thread demonstrates an unwillingness by certain adherents of evolution, to rationally discuss a wide range of questions. Despite attempts by myself and several others here to do just that - most notably Robert W and PoliticalChic and Leo123.

We've asked pointed questions that the evolution devotees dismiss and ridicule rather than honestly and frankly answer. Their repeated refusal to engage in an honest rational way is what characterizes not only them, but the modern militant atheist movement today.

The record shows this, as any open minded honest person will soon see if they peruse the chains of discussion here. They do not want to discuss the scientific issues, the problem observations, all they actually want to do is attack those who raise the issues, attack those who do not share their religious zeal for pseudoscience.

One cannot be a genuine seeker after truth when one's primary intellectual tool is lies and intolerance for dissent - they represent a cult, the cult of scientism and they have nothing in common with true scientists, they are fakes, pseudo scientific fakes hiding behind rhetoric, bombast and ad-hominem.

That's why I've given up trying to reason with some of them, it's a waste of time and my reaction to their vacuous replies is simply

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Thank you .

But we are essentially asking the other side to give up their religion, one which is or mirrors militan secularism.

The need Darwin or the public may believe in God, in morality, in the Ten Commandments, in short, life rather than death.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So you still preach that the Sun orbits the Earth. How dumb are you?

And another lie.

I don't think you belong in this section, son. You don't have the IQ or the maturity for it.

 

[Hollie]

Thank you .

But we are essentially asking the other side to give up their religion, one which is or mirrors militan secularism.

The need Darwin or the public may believe in God, in morality, in the Ten Commandments, in short, life rather than death.

You can't give up your fears and superstitions. You're too invested in the suffering and misery your religion has caused.



Men in robes wearing big funny hats, waving canisters of incense and protecting priests who prey on young boys aren't curing disease, increasing crop yields, solving the questions of existence or exploring the universe.

 

[Leo123]

Actually. The record of this thread demonstrates the hopelessness of religious extremists trying to replace the disciplines of science with their various gods.
ID'iot Creationism is a movement dedicated to discrediting evolution and attacking the rational explanation of nature. The attack on science and scientists makes up about 99% of their activities. What the ID’iots have never been able to resolve is that there is no scientific theory of creationism whether the religious fundies re-title their religion as “creationism”, "intelligent design" or otherwise. The hyper-religious simply have no coherent framework, no reliable data and don’t publish in research, technical, academic or professional journals. "Intelligent design creationism" does not meet the essential characteristics of science as outlined in several legal cases wherein the ID’iot creationers suffered humiliating losses and were derided by the courts as effectively wasting everyone’s time.

We can review past history by referencing Judge Overton's 1982 decision in McLean v. Arkansas wherein ID’iosy failed on several levels by not meeting the testable methods of science such as: 1) It is guided by natural laws, 2) It has to be explanatory by natural laws, 3) It is testable against the empirical world, 4) Its conclusions are tentative--subject to continual review and revision, and 5) It is falsifiable. On every point, "intelligent design" and every other form of creationism fail as science.

Where is the testable data that elements just fall together and create a living cell? Seems your ‘evocult’ has no answer.

 

[Leo123]

Your own link identifies a ''handful of authors''.

Your link identifies "a handful of authors".

Evilutionist atheist scientists do actual research and publish their work for peer review.

Has AIG published anything in the journal Nature?

Cite the research where a living cell was created in a pond.

 

[Hollie]

Where is the testable data that elements just fall together and create a living cell? Seems your ‘evocult’ has no answer.

Life on the planet is your testable evidence.

You can counter that by providing the testable evidence of your various gawds and the testable evidence of their magic and supernaturalism.

Shirley, you God Cultists can provide evidence with so many gods to choose from.

 

[Leo123]

Life on the planet is your testable evidence.

You can counter that by providing the testable evidence of your various gawds and the testable evidence of their magic and supernaturalism.

Shirley, you God Cultists can provide evidence with so many gods to choose from.

So ‘the planet’ created life? How? Where is your evidence?

 

[Hollie]

Cite the research where a living cell was created in a pond.

Cite the religious extremist website you cut and pasted that from.

 

[Hollie]

So ‘the planet’ created life? How? Where is your evidence?

Life on the planet is evidence for life on the planet.


Where Is the evidence for your various gods and the evidence they magically created life?

 

[PoliticalChic]

'So ‘the planet’ created life? How? Where is your evidence?

The deeply unsavory individual to whom you are responding adds an element, no pun intended, to the reason behind my OP.
It uses evolution theory as a cudgel to beat religion, the reason for Western Civilization, the very same desire of every Marxist/ Leftist ideology that embraces death, slaughter, genocide, and doesn't like that it is judged against Judeo-Christian standards.

Hence, religion must be destroyed and Devil-worshiper Karl Marx elevated to sainthood.


The Age of Enlightenment offered that sort a chance to grab greatness.

In the 18th century….Infused with the sudden drum-roll of successes in science, our civilization awarded itself with the appellation ‘the Enlightenment.’ Mankind, it was suggested, could know all about the universe, and even move on to control everything about the universe.

Essentially, man deemed himself God.
Anti-religion became their religion.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Life on the planet is evidence for life on the planet.


Where Is the evidence for your various gods and the evidence they magically created life?

You miss so very many things.

The EXPLANATION for life on the planet is under discussion.

In some 1300 posts.

Your hatred has blinded you, hasn't it.

 

[Hollie]

The deeply unsavory individual to whom you are responding adds an element, no pun intended, to the reason behind my OP.
It uses evolution theory as a cudgel to beat religion, the reason for Western Civilization, the very same desire of every Marxist/ Leftist ideology that embraces death, slaughter, genocide, and doesn't like that it is judged against Judeo-Christian standards.

Hence, religion must be destroyed and Devil-worshiper Karl Marx elevated to sainthood.


The Age of Enlightenment offered that sort a chance to grab greatness.

In the 18th century….Infused with the sudden drum-roll of successes in science, our civilization awarded itself with the appellation ‘the Enlightenment.’ Mankind, it was suggested, could know all about the universe, and even move on to control everything about the universe.

Essentially, man deemed himself God.
Anti-religion became their religion.

The deeply offensive religious extremist who is the OP of yet another anti- science stupid-fest to press an angry, science loathing agenda. Absent any ability to refute the relevant research and experimentation, it resorts to edited, parsed, " quotes" stolen from Harun Yahya.

 

[Hollie]

You miss so very many things.

The EXPLANATION for life on the planet is under discussion.

In some 1300 posts.

Your hatred has blinded you, hasn't it.

Your religious extremism is a pathology. Go pound your Koran elsewhere.

 

[Robert W]

And another lie.

I don't think you belong in this section, son. You don't have the IQ or the maturity for it.

So you believe you have a negative impact on what nature gave me, a high IQ?

 

[Robert W]

Your religious extremism is a pathology. Go pound your Koran elsewhere.

Why is it that you constantly explain things to us using your religion?

 

[Hollie]

Why is it that you constantly explain things to us using your religion?

What religion? I have no Kingdom halls to attend or doorbells to ring while selling religious beliefs on the weekend. That's your gig, sweetie.

ID'iot creationerism is not a scientific theory. A scientific theory is a detailed explanation that is supported with physical evidence and experimental support. ID'iot creationism is not a scientific theory, detailed or otherwise, and offers no physical evidence or experimental support.

 

[Robert W]

There are several people around this forum who typify the scientism cult, Fort Fun Indiana is one of them. He rarely argues scientifically but prefers to simply attack those of us who are better communicators and thinkers than he is.

Many time he's been asked direct scientific questions and refused to answer, instead he sees questions as an opportunity for ad-hominem which is really all he ever does, he's utterly boring and I've never had a stimulating exchange with him as I have with other atheists, he just doesn't have much to say.

My advice is therefore to stop replying and simply react to his posts with or similar, just laugh at him. I did this yesterday and after a few minutes of him desperately seeking attention he just went quiet, trying to actually reason with him is pointless, just laugh at the windbag, he'll soon fade away.

Our friend Hollie is very similar, angry, accusative, bad mannered, frankly if people's replies are not honest decent efforts to debate and they just name call, just laugh, they are an utter waste of time and unless they improve, I will be just laughing at them going forward (they will not like being ignored, not taken seriously - but it's all their own fault).

For that, you got a winner trophy from me.