Blount Co. (TN) Commission To Ask God Not To Murder Them Over SSM

[nuhuh]

Just as much as gay me activist are going to shove their own sexual deviance and choices upon everyone else and their children?

It is disingenuous to claim that someone proclaiming a public prayer hurts you, makes you believe or forces you to change your ways.

I appreciate the honesty, but the problem is that these well intentioned people are serious that religion should dominate us and are becoming more militant as time goes on. The rest of us understand the reasons why the founders set the religious parameters in the constitution, but these folks are just as intent to rewrite our constitutional laws because religion says so.

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I can say with absolute certainty that no gay activist is shoving their own sexual deviancy upon anyone and especially children. Those people have the same right to live in America and benefit from our freedoms. Further, I have never said I was hurt by a public prayer, although I am guilty of saying that I disagreed with the practice but accepted the laws decision concerning the matter.

You must be living in a bubble then.

No, I'm pretty cosmopolitan and live around 20 million people in a 100 mile radius.

http://tdmea.tripod.com/homosexualtop10strategiesbyfrc.htm

Handouts at Fistgate Conference

David Parker - Arrest & Lawsuit

"King and King" read to second graders

Some Orange County parents upset over controversial book being read to third graders

Oregon Sex Conference Targets Children as Young as 11 Using Your Tax Dollars

The majority of what you offered as proof was 10-15 years old. The last two examples included a children's book and a conference where children were counseled on safe sex, where a self-described pro-life news association is doing the reporting. When I Googled for back up all I saw were reports of questions that perhaps they went too far, not the outrage your own source referred to. NONE of this means anyone is being unfairly subjected to gay deviancy, I suggest your concept of what is deviant needs work.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Well, Kim Davis says that God is opposed to gays marrying, and she should know because god talks to her. As for me, god has never told me that he is opposed to gays marrying. In fact, he hasn't told me anything. Apparently even the Pope is getting the cold shoulder from god, since his position is "Who am I to judge?" Episcopalians also seem to be on god's ignore list, since they now have a gay bishop.

My question is simple. How to I sign up for god's twitters? And BTW, don't answer, "The Bible". Books are all but obsolete, and the Bible has been obsolete before it was even carved out by the Catholic synod.

 

[Mertex]

Further, I have never said I was hurt by a public prayer, although I am guilty of saying that I disagreed with the practice but accepted the laws decision concerning the matter.

There is no need for "public prayer". Jesus advocated that his followers go into a closet to pray....in other words, it's supposed to be between you and Jesus, but these attention loving sanctimonious zealots want everyone to see how holy they are, why they insist on public prayer, and subject others, who don't believe in God or Jesus to go along with their prayers. I don't have a problem with public prayer, and am glad when it is done and no one complains, but if there are people that are bothered by it, then by all means, it should be done by individuals, silently....others don't need to be aware of what one is praying for that one is even praying.

The zealots keep saying that prayer has been taken out of the schools, as if prayer is a inanimate object that can be removed. I can pray anywhere at any time and have never been arrested for it....although I don't close my eyes when I'm driving if I choose to pray.... It's all about "show" for some of them.....the others are just confused and don't really know Christianity.

 

[nuhuh]

I can say with absolute certainty that no gay activist is shoving their own sexual deviancy upon anyone and especially children. Those people have the same right to live in America and benefit from our freedoms. Further, I have never said I was hurt by a public prayer, although I am guilty of saying that I disagreed with the practice but accepted the laws decision concerning the matter.

You must be living in a bubble then.

No, I'm pretty cosmopolitan and live around 20 million people in a 100 mile radius.

http://tdmea.tripod.com/homosexualtop10strategiesbyfrc.htm

Handouts at Fistgate Conference

David Parker - Arrest & Lawsuit

"King and King" read to second graders

Some Orange County parents upset over controversial book being read to third graders

Oregon Sex Conference Targets Children as Young as 11 Using Your Tax Dollars

Oh, that's nice.

And what does that have to do with the OP, or are you just brain dead?

Gee, thanks.

Just trying get Nuhuh a little better informed so he won't stay fully in that 'no such thing going on here' bubble.

I am well informed, I think perhaps your own bubble is depriving you of oxygen.

 

[Mertex]

It is all the force issues that come with that.

Like what, exactly. All of you anti-gay keep beating around the bush and never really saying what it is you are afraid of.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

So what is your contention? The people cannot vote leaders in that make a petition to God? How is it that they violated you this time?

Do you understand that we have separation of church and state for a reason? The mere attempt to include religion into a political process is against the laws established by the Constitution.

So you think by making a prayer as a public leader is a church?

I don't think so but you can push that agenda if you like. I do think it may backfire on itself very hard though.

I'm not so much troubled by the fact that they include a request to God in their agenda, my concern is the subject of their request. For Christians, God is supposed to be in control of everything that is going on in the world.....I'm sure that God is aware that they (the Board of Commissioners) do not tolerate ssm......but for the entire board of commissioners of a county to think that God is going to punish their county over a law that was passed by the "government" is bat-shit crazy.

What's ridiculous is the notion that for elected officials to obey the Constitution and the Supreme Court somehow means they're 'violating' their 'god's' law – when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

That they might perceive this to be the case does not 'validate' their perception; where it's incumbent upon elected officials to at least have a rudimentary understanding of the Constitution, the law, and public policy and governance to indeed govern in a responsible manner consistent with the rule of law.

Which leads us to one of two conclusions:

These elected officials are woefully ignorant of rudimentary principles of the Constitution, the law, and public policy and governance (perhaps willfully); or,

These elected officials are fully aware of the law, that rulings of Federal courts are perfectly just and Constitutional, and that obeying the Constitution and Supreme Court in no way 'violates' their religious liberty or tenets of their faith – that they are in fact pursuing these 'petitions' in bad faith in an effort to realize some perceived political advantage.

I want to make it clear that this does not mean that the entire council supports this. One person has formulated it and it will be discussed on Monday.

No one said it did.

Obviously this concerns more than just one county in Tennessee, such as a particular county in Kentucky with like-minded elected officials.

 

[RodISHI]

Just as much as gay me activist are going to shove their own sexual deviance and choices upon everyone else and their children?

It is disingenuous to claim that someone proclaiming a public prayer hurts you, makes you believe or forces you to change your ways.

.

I can say with absolute certainty that no gay activist is shoving their own sexual deviancy upon anyone and especially children. Those people have the same right to live in America and benefit from our freedoms. Further, I have never said I was hurt by a public prayer, although I am guilty of saying that I disagreed with the practice but accepted the laws decision concerning the matter.

You must be living in a bubble then.

No, I'm pretty cosmopolitan and live around 20 million people in a 100 mile radius.

http://tdmea.tripod.com/homosexualtop10strategiesbyfrc.htm

Handouts at Fistgate Conference

David Parker - Arrest & Lawsuit

"King and King" read to second graders

Some Orange County parents upset over controversial book being read to third graders

Oregon Sex Conference Targets Children as Young as 11 Using Your Tax Dollars

The majority of what you offered as proof was 10-15 years old. The last two examples included a children's book and a conference where children were counseled on safe sex, where a self-described pro-life news association is doing the reporting. When I Googled for back up all I saw were reports of questions that perhaps they went too far, not the outrage your own source referred to. NONE of this means anyone is being unfairly subjected to gay deviancy, I suggest your concept of what is deviant needs work.

You don't look very good do you?
Oregon Sex Conference Targets Children as Young as 11 Using Your Tax Dollars
State Rebecca Downs Nov 25, 2014 | 5:53PM Salem, OR

 

[RodISHI]

It is all the force issues that come with that.

Like what, exactly. All of you anti-gay keep beating around the bush and never really saying what it is you are afraid of.

Look if you have a "vagina jealousy" issue it is a personal issue. I really do not need to know about it, nor do the children.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

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I understand the Word very well and embrace it. But I've also been worldly. But we are dealing with individuals in my humble opinion here who are only simple.

Boy how do I put this nicely. MMMMMMMMMMMM. I'm really sick so I'm not on my game here. These are really really simple folks. And except for a few this has nothing to do with meaness. Or being cruel. Or wanting deny some body else their rights.

As a born again this is a spiritual struggle. I've known and worked with the sweetest souls from the LGBT community in my days in the entertainment industry. So many far sweeter than those who profess their so called faith.

But Mertex we are not dealing with people like us and I don't want to try to make us come off as superior. Let's just say our intellect is different than theirs. Boy I hope that makes sense.

I see what you are saying. It is sad, though, that so many people have gotten confused about their responsibility as being a Christian. Back in Jesus' day, the Pharisees imposed additions to the laws that the Christians were already following as Jews till it became unbearable for the believers. Jesus came to free believers of all that bondage, and yet so many Christians today want to be under bondage and take it upon themselves to own the sins of others.

Jesus came to free the people from the bondage death of living in their own sin. He at no time said keep on sinning.

Excuse me for perhaps being a bit trite. But to keep on sinning is the whole reason for Jesus is it not?

And contrite you are. No its not.

Having lived in Hickman County I can attest to the fact that people are fiercely and I mean fiercely people of faith in certain counties.

But without mocking them. You really do have to understand that they are people who aren't trying to be mean or horrible. It's just a matter of their faith.

But what kind of faith are they practicing?

Jesus commanded everyone to obey the government.....regardless of whether the government is right or wrong, a Christian obeys. That doesn't mean that any of them have to tolerate homosexuality or participate in it, unless they have a job that caters to the public, like Kim Davis' job, then you have to do what is required, but it doesn't make you a participant. I think many Christians are befuddled about what is expected of them....or maybe they are succumbing to the political pressure put on them by leaders that obviously don't know Christianity either.

I understand the Word very well and embrace it. But I've also been worldly. But we are dealing with individuals in my humble opinion here who are only simple.

Boy how do I put this nicely. MMMMMMMMMMMM. I'm really sick so I'm not on my game here. These are really really simple folks. And except for a few this has nothing to do with meaness. Or being cruel. Or wanting deny some body else their rights.

As a born again this is a spiritual struggle. I've known and worked with the sweetest souls from the LGBT community in my days in the entertainment industry. So many far sweeter than those who profess their so called faith.

But Mertex we are not dealing with people like us and I don't want to try to make us come off as superior. Let's just say our intellect is different than theirs. Boy I hope that makes sense.

I see what you are saying. It is sad, though, that so many people have gotten confused about their responsibility as being a Christian. Back in Jesus' day, the Pharisees imposed additions to the laws that the Christians were already following as Jews till it became unbearable for the believers. Jesus came to free believers of all that bondage, and yet so many Christians today want to be under bondage and take it upon themselves to own the sins of others.

Phew it made some sense. Yay. I've been so sick and on the mighty Q I'm thinking maybe I should just stick to a snow shovelling forum.

I think too and I think this is important Mertex. I have read the Word so many times. Both OT and NT and I'm telling you the shit in the OT will set your hair on fire But most Christians haven't read the Bible.

They are only getting it from the nice man during a Sunday sermon. A man who is just another human talking about three versus for their flock. Boy I hope this makes sense.

Basically what I am saying is we are dealing with spiritual illiterates. Trying not to be harsh here but still laying it on the line.

I appreciate the honesty, but the problem is that these well intentioned people are serious that religion should dominate us and are becoming more militant as time goes on. The rest of us understand the reasons why the founders set the religious parameters in the constitution, but these folks are just as intent to rewrite our constitutional laws because religion says so.

Or ignore Establishment Clause jurisprudence for the same reason.

 

[Mertex]

No where does the Bible say to not discern right from wrong or that you must accept sin as a precursor.

Okay, we get it, you think homosexuality is a sin, but what makes you arbiter of other's people's choices/sins. Do you interrogate every married couple to see if they are committing adultery and then complain to them and the world about how it is affecting you? How exactly are you accepting their sin?

I think most of you are taking ownership of what you consider a sin and making it your own when nobody says that is what you have to do.

 

[nuhuh]

Further, I have never said I was hurt by a public prayer, although I am guilty of saying that I disagreed with the practice but accepted the laws decision concerning the matter.

There is no need for "public prayer". Jesus advocated that his followers go into a closet to pray....in other words, it's supposed to be between you and Jesus, but these attention loving sanctimonious zealots want everyone to see how holy they are, why they insist on public prayer, and subject others, who don't believe in God or Jesus to go along with their prayers. I don't have a problem with public prayer, and am glad when it is done and no one complains, but if there are people that are bothered by it, then by all means, it should be done by individuals, silently....others don't need to be aware of what one is praying for that one is even praying.

The zealots keep saying that prayer has been taken out of the schools, as if prayer is a inanimate object that can be removed. I can pray anywhere at any time and have never been arrested for it....although I don't close my eyes when I'm driving if I choose to pray.... It's all about "show" for some of them.....the others are just confused and don't really know Christianity.

This is true. I find that I am becoming more Jeffersonian in my thoughts about organized religion, as Thomas Jefferson had no use for any of them. He believed that they all corrupted the word of God by their own pursuit of power and influence and I agreed with him many years ago, but didn't understand why I felt that way. Prayer is intensely personal and that's how it should remain.

 

[RodISHI]

No where does the Bible say to not discern right from wrong or that you must accept sin as a precursor.

Okay, we get it, you think homosexuality is a sin, but what makes you arbiter of other's people's choices/sins. Do you interrogate every married couple to see if they are committing adultery and then complain to them and the world about how it is affecting you? How exactly are you accepting their sin?

I think most of you are taking ownership of what you consider a sin and making it your own when nobody says that is what you have to do.

It is own you- on your self- a personal choice. That simple.

 

[nuhuh]

I can say with absolute certainty that no gay activist is shoving their own sexual deviancy upon anyone and especially children. Those people have the same right to live in America and benefit from our freedoms. Further, I have never said I was hurt by a public prayer, although I am guilty of saying that I disagreed with the practice but accepted the laws decision concerning the matter.

You must be living in a bubble then.

No, I'm pretty cosmopolitan and live around 20 million people in a 100 mile radius.

http://tdmea.tripod.com/homosexualtop10strategiesbyfrc.htm

Handouts at Fistgate Conference

David Parker - Arrest & Lawsuit

"King and King" read to second graders

Some Orange County parents upset over controversial book being read to third graders

Oregon Sex Conference Targets Children as Young as 11 Using Your Tax Dollars

The majority of what you offered as proof was 10-15 years old. The last two examples included a children's book and a conference where children were counseled on safe sex, where a self-described pro-life news association is doing the reporting. When I Googled for back up all I saw were reports of questions that perhaps they went too far, not the outrage your own source referred to. NONE of this means anyone is being unfairly subjected to gay deviancy, I suggest your concept of what is deviant needs work.

You don't look very good do you?
Oregon Sex Conference Targets Children as Young as 11 Using Your Tax Dollars
State Rebecca Downs Nov 25, 2014 | 5:53PM Salem, OR

What are you talking about? That's the very Pro-life source I referred to when I answered you.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It doesn't. Never said it did. Its all on you or whoever.

So why are anti gays so all up in arms about same-sex marriage? How does their marriage affect a Christian's marriage, life or religion?

It is all the force issues that come with that. Marriage has been traditionally defined for thousands of years. IMO; Government does not belong in the business of making up new definitions. Anyone can sign a contract had have it recorded.

Marriage has not been 'redefined,' by government or any other entity.

Indeed, that was the core issue in Obergefell, the states seeking to deny same-sex couples access to marriage law they're eligible to participate in – marriage unchanged, unaltered, and not 'redefined.'

 

[Katzndogz]

Prayers won't help. The country has become irrevocably evil. It's path can't be changed by prayers.

 

[RodISHI]

You must be living in a bubble then.

No, I'm pretty cosmopolitan and live around 20 million people in a 100 mile radius.

http://tdmea.tripod.com/homosexualtop10strategiesbyfrc.htm

Handouts at Fistgate Conference

David Parker - Arrest & Lawsuit

"King and King" read to second graders

Some Orange County parents upset over controversial book being read to third graders

Oregon Sex Conference Targets Children as Young as 11 Using Your Tax Dollars

The majority of what you offered as proof was 10-15 years old. The last two examples included a children's book and a conference where children were counseled on safe sex, where a self-described pro-life news association is doing the reporting. When I Googled for back up all I saw were reports of questions that perhaps they went too far, not the outrage your own source referred to. NONE of this means anyone is being unfairly subjected to gay deviancy, I suggest your concept of what is deviant needs work.

You don't look very good do you?
Oregon Sex Conference Targets Children as Young as 11 Using Your Tax Dollars
State Rebecca Downs Nov 25, 2014 | 5:53PM Salem, OR

What are you talking about? That's the very Pro-life source I referred to when I answered you.

This was your claim, "The majority of what you offered as proof was 10-15 years old." I gave you the dated website. That is not fifteen years old. I was talking about your not looking and your being very disingenuous in your postings. I know your not fully ignorant. In fact you make some very well thought through and informative posts at times.

 

[Mertex]

It is all the force issues that come with that.

Like what, exactly. All of you anti-gay keep beating around the bush and never really saying what it is you are afraid of.

Look if you have a "vagina jealousy" issue it is a personal issue. I really do not need to know about it, nor do the children.

Vagina jealousy? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Do you have penis envy?

I guess what it comes down to, you really can't pin-point why you think homosexuality affects you because it doesn't, you are just saying what you have heard others say without really figuring out. I've never experienced homosexuals telling me about their personal stuff, or telling children, either for that matter.

You're spewing nonsense.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Prayers won't help. The country has become irrevocably evil. It's path can't be changed by prayers.

What are you gonna do? Cry?

 

[rightwinger]

Now there is a county that is willing to declare that God hates fags

 

[RodISHI]

It is all the force issues that come with that.

Like what, exactly. All of you anti-gay keep beating around the bush and never really saying what it is you are afraid of.

Look if you have a "vagina jealousy" issue it is a personal issue. I really do not need to know about it, nor do the children.

Vagina jealousy? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Do you have penis envy?

I guess what it comes down to, you really can't pin-point why you think homosexuality affects you because it doesn't, you are just saying what you have heard others say without really figuring out. I've never experienced homosexuals telling me about their personal stuff, or telling children, either for that matter.

You're spewing nonsense.

No I am female and I have a male husband.

It affects my grandchildren; that is my flesh and blood, sweat and tears that went into raising their parents. Does that pinpoint it well enough for you?