Bloomberg Poll- Americans See Race Relations Worsening Since Obama's Election

[Skylar]

A 6'5 350 pound 'kid' who had just robbed a convenience store, attacking a cop in his car, reached for his gun while high as a kite?

None of which he was doing at the point he was fatally injured. At the point he was fatally injured, he was on his knees, with his hands up, screaming "I don't have a gun".

It would be a ridiculously simple matter to demonstrate reasonable doubt when the kid was shot seconds after assaulting a police officer and reaching for his gun. The standard is a reasonable fear for one's life. The kid's size, his violence, his attempt to wrestle away a fire arm would establish that to virtually any impartial jury.

As for what happened immediately preceding his death, the evidence is ambiguous. The witness accounts were either blatantly false (and recanted) or wildly contradictory. And the forensic evidence backs the shooting occurring during an attempt to surrender as much as it does the young man charging the officer.

Ambiguous evidence immediately preceding the shooting and overwhelming evidence of life threatening violence against a police officer seconds earlier? No prosecutor in the world would touch that one. It couldn't be won.

And the Feds aren't going to touch it either for the very same reason. The evidence simply doesn't support any charges against the officer.

 

[JoeB131]

OP- that's what happens when the dirty laundry gets aired.

Also when there's a black president and Pub hater dupes go nuts...

You've got it half right.

This is what happens when you have a black president who happens to be a Marxist/Socialist/Muslim/compulsive lying/ racist.

Wow, guy, you just proved Franco's point.

 

[JoeB131]

It would be a ridiculously simple matter to demonstrate reasonable doubt when the kid was shot seconds after assaulting a police officer and reaching for his gun. The standard is a reasonable fear for one's life. The kid's size, his violence, his attempt to wrestle away a fire arm would establish that to virtually any impartial jury.

As for what happened immediately preceding his death, the evidence is ambiguous. The witness accounts were either blatantly false (and recanted) or wildly contradictory. And the forensic evidence backs the shooting occurring during an attempt to surrender as much as it does the young man charging the officer.

Ambiguous evidence immediately preceding the shooting and overwhelming evidence of life threatening violence against a police officer seconds earlier? No prosecutor in the world would touch that one. It couldn't be won.

And the Feds aren't going to touch it either for the very same reason. The evidence simply doesn't support any charges against the officer.

The feds aren't going to touch it because Obama talks shit, but he wags a weak dick. Heck, George H. Bush ordered a prosecution of the guys who beat Rodney King with a lot less to go on.

 

[CowboyTed]

Of course things have gotten worse. All you white bigots completely lost your shit when he got elected.

You mean, the same white folks that elected him twice? Those white folks Joe?

-Geaux

No the white folks in the republican party trying ever more unsuccessfully to convince us that there is no racial component in their hyperbolic freakout at having a black president.

Hey Liar is this another thing you made up.

 

[Skylar]

The Mike Brown case is a poor example. Especially when the 'middle of the street with his hands up' is as plausible as the 'rushing toward the cop' scenario by the evidence.

Evidence would be nice, if it had actually been collected, perserved and investigated.

Witness accounts were taken. Three autopsies were performed. Pictures of the injuries of the officer were taken. Blood samples from Mike Brown were found in the officer's car, on the officer's uniform and on the officer's gun. Surveillance photos of Mike Brown robbing the convenience store were collected.

The evidence simply didn't warrant charges against the officer. Given Brown's theft, assault of the store owner that same night and assault on the officer only seconds earlier the young man being gunned down while attempting a third act of assault is plausible. And supported by the evidence.

What 'uncollected' evidence wasn't retrieved from the scene that would have contradicted the evidence that was?

 

[Skylar]

It would be a ridiculously simple matter to demonstrate reasonable doubt when the kid was shot seconds after assaulting a police officer and reaching for his gun. The standard is a reasonable fear for one's life. The kid's size, his violence, his attempt to wrestle away a fire arm would establish that to virtually any impartial jury.

As for what happened immediately preceding his death, the evidence is ambiguous. The witness accounts were either blatantly false (and recanted) or wildly contradictory. And the forensic evidence backs the shooting occurring during an attempt to surrender as much as it does the young man charging the officer.

Ambiguous evidence immediately preceding the shooting and overwhelming evidence of life threatening violence against a police officer seconds earlier? No prosecutor in the world would touch that one. It couldn't be won.

And the Feds aren't going to touch it either for the very same reason. The evidence simply doesn't support any charges against the officer.

The feds aren't going to touch it because Obama talks shit, but he wags a weak dick. Heck, George H. Bush ordered a prosecution of the guys who beat Rodney King with a lot less to go on.

The Feds aren't going to touch it because the evidence doesn't show a violation of civil rights. The officer's stopping of Brown was legit as Brown matched a description of a recent robbery in the area of cigars and was carrying large quantities of cigars.

Brown refused to stop, attacked the officer and then ran. That much, no one disagrees with. Being shot within minutes of robbing a convenience store and seconds after assaulting a police officer doesn't spell 'civil rights violation'.

Especially when the forensic evidence matches a shooting during a third assault attempt as much as it does a shooting during a surrender attempt. And the witness testimony is self contradictory where its not recanted fiction.

 

[JoeB131]

Witness accounts were taken. Three autopsies were performed. Pictures of the injuries of the officer were taken. Blood samples from Mike Brown were found in the officer's car, on the officer's uniform and on the officer's gun. Surveillance photos of Mike Brown robbing the convenience store were collected.

The evidence simply didn't warrant charges against the officer. Given Brown's theft, assault of the store owner that same night and assault on the officer only seconds earlier the young man being gunned down while attempting a third act of assault is plausible. And supported by the evidence.

What 'uncollected' evidence wasn't retrieved from the scene that would have contradicted the evidence that was?

Well, how about letting Officer Fife check in his own gun, and drive his own vehicle into the police station? HOw about the fact that they didn't record a statement from him and didn't interview him after the shooting. How about the fact the cororner didn't take any photos of the crime scene because the battery on their camera was dead?

The reason why the officer wasn't charged was because the DA rigged the game.

And I'm sorry, shoving a clerk is not a capital crime.

 

[The Rabbi]

I dont know what the Obama's position actually is.

Given the thread is race relations since Obama took office....don't you think you might want to find out?

But it is the view of the Left that America is irredeemably racist so I wouldnt be surprised if he also believes that. He certainly hasnt done anything to make me think he believes otherwise.

The 'view of the left' according to who?

My view is it is impossible to know because Obama lies about everything.
According to those on the Left that's the case. You dont have to look far to find them.

 

[NYcarbineer]

And why would that be? The question is legit but could be rhetorical as well.

Obama is the king divider. He has a goal to leave this country worse off than the way he found it. Safe to say, he accomplished that in this first 2 years and has been golfing since

-Geaux

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Most Americans See Race Relations Worsening Since Obama's Election

President Barack Obama had hoped his historic election would ease race relations, yet a majority of Americans, 53 percent, say the interactions between the white and black communities have deteriorated since he took office, according to a new Bloomberg Politics poll. Those divisions are laid bare in the split reactions to the decisions by two grand juries not to indict white police officers who killed unarmed black men in Ferguson, Mo., and Staten Island, N.Y.

Both times, protesters responded with outrage and politicians called for federal investigations. Yet Americans don’t think of the cases as a matched set of injustices, the poll found. A majority agreed with the Ferguson decision, while most objected to the conclusion in the Staten Island death, which was captured on video. The divergent opinions—52 percent agreed on Ferguson compared with 25 percent who approved of the Staten Island outcome—add to an ongoing discussion that was inflamed when Officer Daniel Pantaleo was seen in the July video putting what appeared to be a chokehold on Eric Garner, a 43-year-old man suspected of selling untaxed cigarettes. Garner could be heard saying, “I can’t breathe,” and died of a heart attack in what a medical examiner ruled a homicide. The grand jury decision not to charge Pantaleo came just 12 days after a similar panel in Ferguson declined to charge Officer Darren Wilson, who in August shot to death 18-year-old Michael Brown. That altercation was not captured on video, and the prosecutor presented evidence of a physical confrontation between the two men before the fatal shots were fired.

Bloomberg Politics Poll Finds Most Americans See Race Relations Worsening Since Obama s Election - Bloomberg Politics

It's because the Rightwing bigots forgot how to control themselves.

 

[squeeze berry]

A 6'5 350 pound 'kid' who had just robbed a convenience store, attacking a cop in his car, reached for his gun while high as a kite?

None of which he was doing at the point he was fatally injured. At the point he was fatally injured, he was on his knees, with his hands up, screaming "I don't have a gun".

you were there?

 

[Skylar]

Well, how about letting Officer Fife check in his own gun, and drive his own vehicle into the police station?

That was definitely a breech of protocol. But there's no evidence that they attempted to collect from his gun, uniform or vehicle that they weren't able to. The washing of his hands did destroy evidence. But the blood spatter on his uniform, gun and vehicle are more than enough to establish the fight in his vehicle. Making the effect of the protocol breaches on the outcome of the investigation virtually nil. The evidence pointed overwhelmingly in one direction. And not toward charging officer Wilson.

HOw about the fact that they didn't record a statement from him and didn't interview him after the shooting.

The Ferguson police department did interview him. They didn't record the interview. The FBI, however, did.

An FBI agent interviewed by the grand jury said he did tape his interview with Wilson. The agent, who was not identified, said Wilson washed up immediately after the shooting because he was worried about the danger presented by someone else’s blood, not about preserving evidence.

“His concern was not of evidence, but as a biohazard or what possible blood hazards it might attract,” said the agent, who like other witnesses was not identified by name.

Officer Wilson s forensic practices questioned The Columbus Dispatch

There is zero indication of evidence tampering. And remember, this was the first time Wilson had *ever* fired his gun in the line of duty. Its plausible that he was a bit shell shocked.

How about the fact the cororner didn't take any photos of the crime scene because the battery on their camera was dead?

The medical examiner simply had police take photos for him at the scene....which they had already been doing for about 2 hours. There was no scarcity of photos from the crime scene. DNA samples were taken, evidence was cataloged and pictures were taken from the scene, complete with markers. And the grand jury saw them all.

The reason why the officer wasn't charged was because the DA rigged the game.

The reason that the officer wasn't charged is that the evidence didn't support it. The forensic evidence was ambiguous and the eyewitness evidence uselessly self contradictory if not a provable lie. While the stipulated events of robbery, assault, assaulting the police officer in his car, and reaching for the cops gun would establish reasonable doubt.

The officer's account is also backed by the audio evidence. While no videos of the incident exist, there was an audio recording. Witness 10 backs pretty much all of Wilson's account, including the claim that Brown was charging the officer. Witness 10 indicates that the officer fired a 5 or 6 times as Brown charged and stopped firing when Brown stopped advancing. Then Brown moved toward the officer again and the officer opened fire again for 3 or 4 shots.

This matches the audio recording of the shots being fired almost exactly. And the grand jury heard all of it. The officer's account is plausible and matches the evidence. It is also backed by eye witness accounts that are also plausible and match the evidence.

Making the odds of a conviction that number that comes just after zero.

And I'm sorry, shoving a clerk is not a capital crime.

Which might be relevant if Brown were shot for shoving a clerk. It was the 'attacking a cop' part that got him shot.

 

[Skylar]

I dont know what the Obama's position actually is.

Given the thread is race relations since Obama took office....don't you think you might want to find out?

But it is the view of the Left that America is irredeemably racist so I wouldnt be surprised if he also believes that. He certainly hasnt done anything to make me think he believes otherwise.

The 'view of the left' according to who?

My view is it is impossible to know because Obama lies about everything.

Says who? Your opinion seems to be based largely on your opinion. You don't seem to have much use for anything else. As the only one you're quoting...

...is you.

According to those on the Left that's the case. You dont have to look far to find them.

Says who? You claiming to be 'the Left'?

 

[The Rabbi]

I dont know what the Obama's position actually is.

Given the thread is race relations since Obama took office....don't you think you might want to find out?

But it is the view of the Left that America is irredeemably racist so I wouldnt be surprised if he also believes that. He certainly hasnt done anything to make me think he believes otherwise.

The 'view of the left' according to who?

My view is it is impossible to know because Obama lies about everything.

Says who? Your opinion seems to be based largely on your opinion. You don't seem to have much use for anything else. As the only one you're quoting...

...is you.

According to those on the Left that's the case. You dont have to look far to find them.

Says who? You claiming to be 'the Left'?

So how many examples would you like before you admit I am correct?
DISGRACE on CAMPUS Professor Requires Students Pledge Allegiance to Racist Sexist Homophobic America - Fox Nation

America is still a deeply racist country Chris Arnade Comment is free The Guardian

Racism Is White America s HIV - The Daily Beast
PIERS MORGAN America has become more racist since Obama was elected Daily Mail Online

Racist America Roots Current Realities and Future Reparations Joe R. Feagin 9780415925310 Amazon.com Books

And now for the backpedaling....

 

[Skylar]

So how many examples would you like before you admit I am correct?

Depends. How many people are supposed to be part of your 'the Left'?

 

[The Rabbi]

So how many examples would you like before you admit I am correct?

Depends. How many people are supposed to be part of your 'the Left'?

Moving goalposts.
Classic example of dishonest debate cited in my other thread.
You're done.

 

[Skylar]

So how many examples would you like before you admit I am correct?

Depends. How many people are supposed to be part of your 'the Left'?

Moving goalposts.
Classic example of dishonest debate cited in my other thread.
You're done.

Not at all. If your 'The Left' is like 10 guys....then I'd take the word of any 2 or 3 of them. If its like 10,000,000.....I'd need a few more.

My answer to your question is....how many folks I would need from 'the Left' to be convinced would depend on how large 'The Left' is.

So....how large is your 'The Left'?

 

[francoHFW]

OP- that's what happens when the dirty laundry gets aired.

Also when there's a black president and Pub hater dupes go nuts...

You've got it half right.

This is what happens when you have a black president who happens to be a Marxist/Socialist/Muslim/compulsive lying/ racist.

LOL, fool of the greedy idiot rich...

 

[The Rabbi]

So how many examples would you like before you admit I am correct?

Depends. How many people are supposed to be part of your 'the Left'?

Moving goalposts.
Classic example of dishonest debate cited in my other thread.
You're done.

Not at all. If your 'The Left' is like 10 guys....then I'd take the word of any 2 or 3 of them. If its like 10,000,000.....I'd need a few more.

My answer to your question is....how many folks I would need from 'the Left' to be convinced would depend on how large 'The Left' is.

So....how large is your 'The Left'?

Moving the goalposts again.
You are a dishonest poster. Shame on you.

 

[Skylar]

So how many examples would you like before you admit I am correct?

Depends. How many people are supposed to be part of your 'the Left'?

Moving goalposts.
Classic example of dishonest debate cited in my other thread.
You're done.

Not at all. If your 'The Left' is like 10 guys....then I'd take the word of any 2 or 3 of them. If its like 10,000,000.....I'd need a few more.

My answer to your question is....how many folks I would need from 'the Left' to be convinced would depend on how large 'The Left' is.

So....how large is your 'The Left'?

Moving the goalposts again.
You are a dishonest poster. Shame on you.

You asked me how many it would take to convince me. How many depends on the size of the group they're supposed to represent. You can't tell me......as you have no idea. Nor, I suspect, care.

Since you failed so utterly in answering my last question, lets try another: Can you factually establish that your sources represent the views of your 'The Left'?

 

[The Rabbi]

So how many examples would you like before you admit I am correct?

Depends. How many people are supposed to be part of your 'the Left'?

Moving goalposts.
Classic example of dishonest debate cited in my other thread.
You're done.

Not at all. If your 'The Left' is like 10 guys....then I'd take the word of any 2 or 3 of them. If its like 10,000,000.....I'd need a few more.

My answer to your question is....how many folks I would need from 'the Left' to be convinced would depend on how large 'The Left' is.

So....how large is your 'The Left'?

Moving the goalposts again.
You are a dishonest poster. Shame on you.

You asked me how many it would take to convince me. How many depends on the size of the group they're supposed to represent. You can't tell me......as you have no idea. Nor, I suspect, care.

Since you failed so utterly in answering my last question, lets try another: Can you factually establish that your sources represent the views of your 'The Left'?

"The Left" is a pretty common concept, even if it eludes you. So your sophistry here means you are either stupid or dishonest. In either case it means you are unworthy to engage in any debate.
Bye.