Bitter Conservatism Is Ruining Men

[Leo123]

It's made up

Yep, Marxie-talk.

 

[initforme]

Lonely people need to learn how to live happily being independent of others. Period.

 

[Correll]

Lonely people need to learn how to live happily being independent of others. Period.

OR, we could try to change policies and practices so that it is easier for people to find mates and have families.


For some reason you are against that. You won't say why.

 

[initforme]

OR, we could try to change policies and practices so that it is easier for people to find mates and have families.


For some reason you are against that. You won't say why.

Wrong. I believe people are free to live as they wish. If that includes a spouse, that's great. If it doesnt involve a spouse, that's fine too. Equally good.

 

[Correll]

Wrong. I believe people are free to live as they wish. If that includes a spouse, that's great. If it doesnt involve a spouse, that's fine too. Equally good.

I said nothing about forcing people to do anything.

I specifically stated my goal was to make it EASIER for people to do something.

You purposefully did not respond to my post, but to an IMAGINED post where you made up a strawman and you addressed a strawman that came out of YOUR mind.


This is not you believing that people are free to live as they wish.

This is you wanting them to live under the current status quo, but you are using disception to support that, and you want to PREVENT me from helping them.


Why are you against these people having an easier life?

 

[initforme]

I said nothing about forcing people to do anything.

I specifically stated my goal was to make it EASIER for people to do something.

You purposefully did not respond to my post, but to an IMAGINED post where you made up a strawman and you addressed a strawman that came out of YOUR mind.


This is not you believing that people are free to live as they wish.

This is you wanting them to live under the current status quo, but you are using disception to support that, and you want to PREVENT me from helping them.


Why are you against these people having an easier life?

If you want to help them by all means have at it. Good on you. Start by giving them $$$. And lots.

 

[BackAgain]

Basically the Washington Post has an article saying the INCEL population is growing and deadbeat men suffering self-victimization is growing. This is all happening in conjunction with the growth of MAGA and what i will call "Bitter Conservatism". Conservatives that are bitter and angry at everyone and everything. No one wants to date them, marry them, hire them, live with them, or associate with them and that is causing them to become disconnected basement dwellers at their parents (bold below). That's according to the Washington Post.

Conservatives are lonely according to multiple studies and who can blame women and the rest of us for not associating?

Conservative men... what's up?

WAPO: Why young and old men are leaving the labor force at record rates

The share of American men in the labor force reached a record low this spring, fueled by baby-boomer retirees and young men who are dropping out to study or because they are disabled or sick. (The only time it has been lower was during the first two months of the coronavirus pandemic in 2020.)

“It’s not all retirement and education. … There are guys just dropping off the planet. They’re not looking after their kids. They’re not in school. They’re not in the labor force,” said Betsey Stevenson, a professor of economics at the University of Michigan. “Across the board when we look at men, we see challenges that they face that leave too many men disconnected.”

Men who are out of the workforce are increasingly likely to have never married and to live with their parents, a Washington Post analysis of Current Population Survey data found.

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Oh.

 

[initforme]

Young men are doing fine. Where does this stuff come from?

 

[Correll]

If you want to help them by all means have at it. Good on you.

Thanks.

Start by giving them $$$. And lots.

And immediately, you are dishonestly pretending that there are not real and serious policy changes that could help.

you are clearly opposed to helping people have more and easier choices, including the an easier choice to have familiy and children.

Why is that?

 

[Correll]

Young men are doing fine. Where does this stuff come from?

And now you are gaslighting us, to try to shut down serious discussion of a real issue.


Why are you on the side of the problem against people?

 

[initforme]

Thanks.




And immediately, you are dishonestly pretending that there are not real and serious policy changes that could help.

you are clearly opposed to helping people have more and easier choices, including the an easier choice to have familiy and children.

Why is that?

Over the top. As I have stated, instead of a 5000 dollar health insurance deductible, make it 500. 6 months fully paid maternity leave. Then 6 months paternity leave, fully paid.

 

[Correll]

Over the top. As I have stated, instead of a 5000 dollar health insurance deductible, make it 500. 6 months fully paid maternity leave. Then 6 months paternity leave, fully paid.

Don't try to walk it back now. YOu are on the side of the PROBLEM vs the PEOPLE hurt by the problem.

Tell us why.

 

[initforme]

Don't try to walk it back now. YOu are on the side of the PROBLEM vs the PEOPLE hurt by the problem.

Tell us why.

Hmm. Never knew i was part of the problem. But whatever makes yah feel good. We did our part. 3 kids and one grandkid. So, respectfully, my family did it's part.

 

[Correll]

Hmm. Never knew i was part of the problem. But whatever makes yah feel good. We did our part. 3 kids and one grandkid. So, respectfully, my family did it's part.

I want to know why you have the position you have.


Why are you on teh side of the problem?

 

[Dragonlady]

I know because I read, like this study from Columbia U that said leftist have the mindsets of teens Why Depression Rates Are Higher Among Liberals

Didn't that study say that liberals are more depressed because they live in the real world and are aware of exactly what's going on, and conservatives believe what the billionaire owned right wing media which tells them what they want to hear?

That's what I read into this study, and others like them.

It's made up

All definitions are "made up" Billie. The definition of lawfare is made up. Donald Trump created it when he was in business, and used it as a successful strategy to avoid paying contractors, municipal taxes and harassing critics.

This case describes it perfectly.

Panama: Trump hotel standoff ends as president surrenders physical control

Hotel’s owners say ‘This was purely a commercial dispute that just spun out of control’ as police bring 12-day standoff with owners to an end

www.theguardian.com

This is the same strategy Trump to avoid going to trial on the most serious criminal charges he faced. It's also the same strategy he used to attack James Comey, Andrew McCabe, the Clintons, Joe Biden and Barrack Obama in his first term as President. The government paid out millions of dollars in settlement of the resulting law suits against people like Andrew McCabe, Lisa Page and Peter Stroczz for violations of their privacy rights, freedom of speech rights, and freedom from government retaliation for their speech.



It's the same strategy he's trying to force the DOJ to use against his political opponents.

 

[Mick2]

Don't try to walk it back now. YOu are on the side of the PROBLEM vs the PEOPLE hurt by the problem.

Tell us why.

It's really a chicken and egg debate. Does adopting liberal ideas begin making people mentally ill, depressed, and lonely? Or do people who are already mentally ill, depressed, and lonely tend to gravitate to the far-left?

Until we have a real answer to that I'm not sure we can address the "problem" much.

 

[Correll]

It's really a chicken and egg debate. Does adopting liberal ideas begin making people mentally ill, depressed, and lonely? Or do people who are mentally ill, depressed, and lonely already tend to gravitate to the far-left?

Until we have a real answer to that I'm not sure we can address the "problem" much.

All true, but in this case, all I want to know is WHY he in on the side of THIS problem.


If he tells me, that would be something.

Instead, he has wasted time, sniping at ideas, pretending that he wanted better solutions or something,

when in reality, he wants the problem to win, and for people to have it harder and continue to fail to have the children they want.


That is mosterous.

 

[struth]

Didn't that study say that liberals are more depressed because they live in the real world and are aware of exactly what's going on, and conservatives believe what the billionaire owned right wing media which tells them what they want to hear?

That's what I read into this study, and others like them.


All definitions are "made up" Billie. The definition of lawfare is made up. Donald Trump created it when he was in business, and used it as a successful strategy to avoid paying contractors, municipal taxes and harassing critics.

This case describes it perfectly.

Panama: Trump hotel standoff ends as president surrenders physical control

Hotel’s owners say ‘This was purely a commercial dispute that just spun out of control’ as police bring 12-day standoff with owners to an end

www.theguardian.com

This is the same strategy Trump to avoid going to trial on the most serious criminal charges he faced. It's also the same strategy he used to attack James Comey, Andrew McCabe, the Clintons, Joe Biden and Barrack Obama in his first term as President. The government paid out millions of dollars in settlement of the resulting law suits against people like Andrew McCabe, Lisa Page and Peter Stroczz for violations of their privacy rights, freedom of speech rights, and freedom from government retaliation for their speech.



It's the same strategy he's trying to force the DOJ to use against his political opponents.

No it didn’t say that

It said yoj all gave the same brain patterns as teens

 

[Concerned American]

OR, we could try to change policies and practices so that it is easier for people to find mates and have families.

LOL, when I was young it was a crap shoot whether or not you could get a date on Fri/Sat nights. Nowadays, a guy can get laid any day of the week--guaranteed-- with the advent of the internet.

 

[Correll]

LOL, when I was young it was a crap shoot whether or not you could get a date on Fri/Sat nights. Nowadays, a guy can get laid any day of the week--guaranteed-- with the advent of the internet.

Not what I see with young people.

Also, not the point.

The goal is healthy families with over two children.

NOt hook up culture.