Bin Laden is DEAD, thread from Hell

[Spoonman]

the economy is on the upswing? wtf? that statement just blew any credibility you might have had to hell

It is.

It's moving slowly, but has been on a steady rise for some time now.

just because obama is allowing oil to go to record levels doesn't mean the economy is improving.

 

[Vast LWC]

In a symbolic sense, somewhat.

In a tactical sense, not even close.

Christ man, the man had no cell phone or internet service, for obvious reasons. He was reduced to age old courier tactics, which are not foolproof, and hold little weight in war against the mightiest......In fact, it led to his sorry ass taking a bullet to the brain.

In a Symbolic sense, this is a great day.....In a tactical sense, it means very little.

Come on man, you know how battle works.

Again, you're thinking too logically.

These guys are religious fanatics man. To them, Osama was the chosen of Allah, that the western devils just couldn't kill. Now they know better.

And throwing him out to sea was the best way to go about avoiding martyrdom, to the extent that it can be avoided. No body, no shrines, no gravesites, and no pilgrimages, unless they have submarines.

 

[Jfactoryman]

Bones, I didn't know anyone in the towers or all of NY on 9/11, but I was one of millions anxious to see Bin Laden's head on a stick for the egregious attack. Bush quoted "Dead or Alive", in one of his Reagan moments when he thought himself a cowboy, forgetting entirely he's from Connecticut, a transplant at best. By the Spring of 2002 Bush was dismissive of OBL when asked about him, even said he didn't really care where he was, he wasn't a priority. That became obvious in year after year of slog and a billion a week in Iraq. Obama campaigned on refocusing pursuit of Bin Laden and while McCain and the right howled at the suggestion of going into Pakistan, an ally, gasp, Obama insisted basically, yeah, if they won't act we will.

This was handled brilliantly. Researched, planned, not overkill, not disrespectful of Islam in dealing with remains, executed flawlessly.

What it changes remains to be seen, but he had money, came from money, and like most religious fanatics was a colossal hypocrite and willing to use illicit funds, in this case proceeds from the drug trade and protection scams and funnel the money into his agenda. Will others get the same cash channels he had? I guess we'll see what they had in Excel, lol.

He was also a figurehead, a Jim Jones type lunatic just charismatic enough to get others to die for his twisted sense of religious duty. The American lunatic seems like a good recruiter but too young to have any following in himself, and the archaic #2 might have some political pull within the old hierarchy but to be honest he looks like death already.

I don't think America was looking for this to end the war on terror or end Al Qaida. It ended Osama Bin Laden and that in itself is something the world, with few exceptions, can celebrate.

 

[Spoonman]

In a symbolic sense, somewhat.

In a tactical sense, not even close.

Christ man, the man had no cell phone or internet service, for obvious reasons. He was reduced to age old courier tactics, which are not foolproof, and hold little weight in war against the mightiest......In fact, it led to his sorry ass taking a bullet to the brain.

In a Symbolic sense, this is a great day.....In a tactical sense, it means very little.

Come on man, you know how battle works.

Again, you're thinking too logically.

These guys are religious fanatics man. To them, Osama was the chosen of Allah, that the western devils just couldn't kill. Now they know better.

And throwing him out to sea was the best way to go about avoiding martyrdom, to the extent that it can be avoided. No body, no shrines, no gravesites, and no pilgrimages, unless they have submarines.

conservatives usually do think logically. it's liberals who pull shit out of their asses

 

[TheBrain]

Tactically, yes he was the most important.........Any troop on the ground who benefited from the info they obtained from his sorry ass will tell you the same thing.

Without KSM, 9/11 would not have happened. He was responsible for the plan. Moving money. Moving personnel. Etc.....He was responsible for the planning of many bombings overseas.....He was responsible for planning the thwarted attack on L.A........He was Al Qaedas top guy when it came to inflicting damage......Bin Laden had the money, and the aura. KSM knew how to get it done.

If Bin Laden was so tactically important, we would have tried everything to take him alive...According to reports coming from within in the WH, reported by CNN, Bin Laden never reached for a gun. He was shot dead on site.....As i'm quite sure the orders were. Shoot him dead on site.......He was shot first in the chest, and then the head.

That's like saying Peter was tactically more important than Jesus....

In a fanatical movement, it's a cult of personality that keeps the troops doing the suicide bombings. There are lots of people who can plan tactics and strategies, but there's only one Bin Laden.

A fanatical terrorist organization is not a military organization, though I can see how you might make that mistake. You're just thinking too logically. Crazy extremists are not logical.

Dude, you're wrong on this one. Don't get me wrong, Bin Laden's death is a HUGE blow to AQ, but it's mostly a symbolic blow. He was pretty much relegated to nothing but a cheerleader.

That being said, it was a good kill and worth the effort.

 

[Jack Fate]

Waterboarding got the info about the courier. The left can now pucker up real close and kiss our ass.

 

[Trajan]

Holy ****, I went to bed last night and it was 5 pages. Now it's 54?

I'm not reading through all this. Osama is still dead, right?

depends on who you talk to........

wanna have a seance? if we CAN'T contact him, hes still alive....is that the yardstick de jeur or is that the benchmark for tomorrow?...note to self, call beck.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Tactically, yes he was the most important.........Any troop on the ground who benefited from the info they obtained from his sorry ass will tell you the same thing.

Without KSM, 9/11 would not have happened. He was responsible for the plan. Moving money. Moving personnel. Etc.....He was responsible for the planning of many bombings overseas.....He was responsible for planning the thwarted attack on L.A........He was Al Qaedas top guy when it came to inflicting damage......Bin Laden had the money, and the aura. KSM knew how to get it done.

If Bin Laden was so tactically important, we would have tried everything to take him alive...According to reports coming from within in the WH, reported by CNN, Bin Laden never reached for a gun. He was shot dead on site.....As i'm quite sure the orders were. Shoot him dead on site.......He was shot first in the chest, and then the head.

That's like saying Peter was tactically more important than Jesus....

In a fanatical movement, it's a cult of personality that keeps the troops doing the suicide bombings. There are lots of people who can plan tactics and strategies, but there's only one Bin Laden.

A fanatical terrorist organization is not a military organization, though I can see how you might make that mistake. You're just thinking too logically. Crazy extremists are not logical.

Dude, you're wrong on this one. Don't get me wrong, Bin Laden's death is a HUGE blow to AQ, but it's mostly a symbolic blow. He was pretty much relegated to nothing but a cheerleader.

That being said, it was a good kill and worth the effort.

And now we can move on and use the manpower and resources used on him, to go after even more of these sorry bastards.

The bastards who are responsible for tactics and logistics. Those are the true "head of the snake".......so to speak.

 

[CRStar]

Bones, I didn't know anyone in the towers or all of NY on 9/11, but I was one of millions anxious to see Bin Laden's head on a stick for the egregious attack. Bush quoted "Dead or Alive", in one of his Reagan moments when he thought himself a cowboy, forgetting entirely he's from Connecticut, a transplant at best. By the Spring of 2002 Bush was dismissive of OBL when asked about him, even said he didn't really care where he was, he wasn't a priority. That became obvious in year after year of slog and a billion a week in Iraq. Obama campaigned on refocusing pursuit of Bin Laden and while McCain and the right howled at the suggestion of going into Pakistan, an ally, gasp, Obama insisted basically, yeah, if they won't act we will.

This was handled brilliantly. Researched, planned, not overkill, not disrespectful of Islam in dealing with remains, executed flawlessly.

What it changes remains to be seen, but he had money, came from money, and like most religious fanatics was a colossal hypocrite and willing to use illicit funds, in this case proceeds from the drug trade and protection scams and funnel the money into his agenda. Will others get the same cash channels he had? I guess we'll see what they had in Excel, lol.

He was also a figurehead, a Jim Jones type lunatic just charismatic enough to get others to die for his twisted sense of religious duty. The American lunatic seems like a good recruiter but too young to have any following in himself, and the archaic #2 might have some political pull within the old hierarchy but to be honest he looks like death already.

I don't think America was looking for this to end the war on terror or end Al Qaida. It ended Osama Bin Laden and that in itself is something the world, with few exceptions, can celebrate.

Blah blah....go buy a Prius you left wing loon.

 

[TheBrain]

That's like saying Peter was tactically more important than Jesus....

In a fanatical movement, it's a cult of personality that keeps the troops doing the suicide bombings. There are lots of people who can plan tactics and strategies, but there's only one Bin Laden.

A fanatical terrorist organization is not a military organization, though I can see how you might make that mistake. You're just thinking too logically. Crazy extremists are not logical.

Dude, you're wrong on this one. Don't get me wrong, Bin Laden's death is a HUGE blow to AQ, but it's mostly a symbolic blow. He was pretty much relegated to nothing but a cheerleader.

That being said, it was a good kill and worth the effort.

And now we can move on and use the manpower and resources used on him, to go after even more of these sorry bastards.

The bastards who are responsible for tactics and logistics. Those are the true "head of the snake".......so to speak.

Yes, but doesn't change the fact that killing him was worth EVERY sacrifice we made to do so and was the right thing to do.

 

[Harry Dresden]

This was a culmination of 10 years of U.S. policy, begun by Pres Bush. Speaker Boehner (lovely words) was right to thank both men.
It is a reflection on Obama's weakness that he must call attention to himself. Next thing he'll be claiming he was carrying a gun through the operation, or personally "called the shot."
He is a little little man. In some ways Osama was a much greater man than Obama.

give it a break Rabbi.....

 

[TheBrain]

This was a culmination of 10 years of U.S. policy, begun by Pres Bush. Speaker Boehner (lovely words) was right to thank both men.
It is a reflection on Obama's weakness that he must call attention to himself. Next thing he'll be claiming he was carrying a gun through the operation, or personally "called the shot."
He is a little little man. In some ways Osama was a much greater man than Obama.

give it a break Rabbi.....

Partisan morons of either side can't help it.

 

[CRStar]

I smell a movie. I bet the Hollywood script writers are already busy at work.

HELP.....anyone, they say Bin Laden got a double tap, what the hell is a double tap....:

 

[thespook]

Song I found

YouTube - OSAMA Death Rap - The Spook


Discuss

 

[Robert]

So either the people I deal with on a daily basis are really cool customers or they simply don't think all that much of OBL being turned to fish food.

Simply put I would have thought this event would have generated a bit more of a response then "Ya I see they got him" which is leaving me wondering is it that OBL just isn't news worthy or has all the other crap our nation is going though overtaking his demise things like our economy which really has people irritated.

Am I making a point not really just an observation.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Dude, you're wrong on this one. Don't get me wrong, Bin Laden's death is a HUGE blow to AQ, but it's mostly a symbolic blow. He was pretty much relegated to nothing but a cheerleader.

That being said, it was a good kill and worth the effort.

And now we can move on and use the manpower and resources used on him, to go after even more of these sorry bastards.

The bastards who are responsible for tactics and logistics. Those are the true "head of the snake".......so to speak.

Yes, but doesn't change the fact that killing him was worth EVERY sacrifice we made to do so and was the right thing to do.

Absolutely!.......In a symbolic way, it was absolutely the right thing to do. It gave this country a lift. It was nice to see all those americans turn out last night, particularly at the trade center site. It was nice to get a sense of vengence, particularly for those who lost love ones on 9/11.

 

[rightwinger]

Great work by Leon Panetta

Some howled when he was given the CIA job. He goes on to lead the most successful CIA operation ever

 

[bodecea]

There was an add on the the Politics page for a ball cap that said "Sorry Yet" with the Obama election symbol in the Sorry....I will have to say....no, no I'm not.....but I bet Osama bin Laden was.

 

[Wicked Jester]

So either the people I deal with on a daily basis are really cool customers or they simply don't think all that much of OBL being turned to fish food.

Simply put I would have thought this event would have generated a bit more of a response then "Ya I see they got him" which is leaving me wondering is it that OBL just isn't news worthy or has all the other crap our nation is going though overtaking his demise things like our economy which really has people irritated.

Am I making a point not really just an observation.

Obama will get his bump in the polls for a lil' while, and then go right back down again.

This is a nice positive for him. But it will not erase his myriad of abject failures.

But, it's nice to see americans getting those flags out and showing some true patriotism, but, it will not change the fact that this country is in dire straits.

It is what it is.

 

[mudwhistle]

Congressman Peter King said on Fox News a few moments ago that it is a fact that Waterboarding led to the killing of Usama Bin Laden. Dick Cheney said the same thing, only not so assuredly as Peter King.

He said that the informant that led us to UBL, his identity was discovered by interrogation methods that Obama and everyone here on the left says is torture. KSM was waterboarded over 8 years ago and King said this eventually tipped them off to where UBL was located. His actual location was discovered way back in Aug of last year. They suspected that he was in Pakistan 4 years ago.



Does this ruin it for you if the tactics that were used, which ultimately led to his death, were considered torture and thus war-crimes by some on the left? I think it's pathetic the way some are jumping on this yet they have been fighting tooth and nail against it for so long.

So, this victory all of you are pounding your chests over may have not ever happened if it weren't for Bush doctrine. I know Obama has done nothing to improve the military since he has taken over as POTUS. The task force had been in operation for years before Obama was elected. All Obama had to do was decide if he wanted to go ahead with the mission.

Bush left Obama in a much better situation then his predecessor did. Clinton left Bush a 9 page summary on terrorism while Bush left Obama a rebuilt military and this task force already hot on the tail of UBL. Wasn't that nice of him??

Cheney says Enhanced Interrogation Probably Led to UBL Death - FoxNews.com