Bin Laden is DEAD, thread from Hell

[iggy pop]

Another RACIST dares to critique the PR DEBACLE:

We should not forget the bottom line in this: bin Laden was justifiably and legally killed by brave and skilled US Navy SEALs. The operation was audacious and meticulous in its planning and execution. President Barack Obama made the call to carry out the raid and his decision was vindicated in spades.

Having said that, the messiness since then has taken much of the sheen off this success, temporarily at least. Here’s a summary of what went wrong once the most difficult bit had been achieved:

1. It took nearly three days to decide not to release the photographs. I think there was a case for not releasing the pictures, though on balance I think disclosure would have been best. But whichever way Obama went on this, the decision should have been made quickly, on Monday. By letting the world and his dog debate the issue for so long and then say no made the administration look indecisive and appear that it had something to hide. It will fuel the conspiracy theories. And the pictures will surely be leaked anyway.

2. To say that bin Laden was armed and hiding behind a wife being used as a human shield was an unforgiveable embellishment. The way it was expressed by John Brennan was to mock bin Laden as being unmanly and cowardly. It turned out to be incorrect and gave fuel, again, to conspiracy theories as well as accusations of cover-ups and illegality. Of all the mistakes of the week, this was by far the biggest.

3. It was a kill mission and no one should have been afraid to admit that. Bin Laden was a dead man as soon as the SEAL Team landed. There’s nothing wrong with that but the Obama administration should have been honest about it rather than spinning tales about bin Laden having a gun, reaching for a gun (the latest) and resisting (without saying how he resisted).

4. Too much information was released, too quickly and a lot of it was wrong. When it made the administration look good, the information flowed freely. When the tide turned, Jay Carney, Obama’s spokesman, clammed up completely. I’m a journalist; I like it when people talk about things. But from the administration’s perspective, it would have been much better to have given a very sparse, accurate description of what happened without going into too much detail, especially about the intelligence that led to the compound (an account which is necessarily suspect).

5. Obama tried to claim too much credit. Don’t get me wrong, he was entitled to a lot of credit. but sometimes less is more and it’s better to let facts speak for themselves. We didn’t need official after official to say how “gutsy” Obama was. Far better to have heaped praise on the CIA and SEALs (which, to be fair, was done most of the time) and talked less about Obama’s decision-making. And a nod to President George W. Bush would have been classy – and good politics for Obama...

(five more ways at the link)...

10 ways Barack Obama botched the aftermath of the masterful operation to kill Osama bin Laden – Telegraph Blogs

Not to sound racist but, I think it was a good thing, done well but handled poorly. What should be a highlight has turned into a fiasco.

 

[bodecea]

Well, in fairness, they're not always exactly the same. Sometimes you throw in some racist shit as well.

Homophobic too.

Why do you have to make everything a gay issue?

Everything isn't. But if you have read gautama's posts, you would agree with me. I don't know you so I will assume you just haven't read his posts yet.

(Would like to note that everything isn't a race issue to Toro either...I'm sure you were going to post to him next)

 

[iggy pop]

Homophobic too.

Why do you have to make everything a gay issue?

Everything isn't. But if you have read gautama's posts, you would agree with me. I don't know you so I will assume you just haven't read his posts yet.

(Would like to note that everything isn't a race issue to Toro either...I'm sure you were going to post to him next)

Yes, I was just about to address Toro on that very issue

 

[bodecea]

Why do you have to make everything a gay issue?

Everything isn't. But if you have read gautama's posts, you would agree with me. I don't know you so I will assume you just haven't read his posts yet.

(Would like to note that everything isn't a race issue to Toro either...I'm sure you were going to post to him next)

Yes, I was just about to address Toro on that very issue

I sure you were. Carry on.

 

[iggy pop]

Everything isn't. But if you have read gautama's posts, you would agree with me. I don't know you so I will assume you just haven't read his posts yet.

(Would like to note that everything isn't a race issue to Toro either...I'm sure you were going to post to him next)

Yes, I was just about to address Toro on that very issue

I sure you were. Carry on.

Geez lady, don't rush me.

 

[mudwhistle]

Funny how you missed those two words.

Hmmmmmmm

You have a very intellectually dishonest style.

Just remember, I'm not your enemy.

Yea you are. You're straight

Thank you.

But how can you say that for sure?


Aren't you stereotyping me now?

 

[iggy pop]

Hmmmmmmm

You have a very intellectually dishonest style.

Just remember, I'm not your enemy.

Yea you are. You're straight

Thank you.

But how can you say that for sure?


Aren't you stereotyping me now?

Yes, But I'm your typical ugly American conservative and we tend to do that. Just ask any liberal. They'll tell you.

 

[mudwhistle]

Another RACIST dares to critique the PR DEBACLE:

We should not forget the bottom line in this: bin Laden was justifiably and legally killed by brave and skilled US Navy SEALs. The operation was audacious and meticulous in its planning and execution. President Barack Obama made the call to carry out the raid and his decision was vindicated in spades.

Having said that, the messiness since then has taken much of the sheen off this success, temporarily at least. Here’s a summary of what went wrong once the most difficult bit had been achieved:

1. It took nearly three days to decide not to release the photographs. I think there was a case for not releasing the pictures, though on balance I think disclosure would have been best. But whichever way Obama went on this, the decision should have been made quickly, on Monday. By letting the world and his dog debate the issue for so long and then say no made the administration look indecisive and appear that it had something to hide. It will fuel the conspiracy theories. And the pictures will surely be leaked anyway.

2. To say that bin Laden was armed and hiding behind a wife being used as a human shield was an unforgiveable embellishment. The way it was expressed by John Brennan was to mock bin Laden as being unmanly and cowardly. It turned out to be incorrect and gave fuel, again, to conspiracy theories as well as accusations of cover-ups and illegality. Of all the mistakes of the week, this was by far the biggest.

3. It was a kill mission and no one should have been afraid to admit that. Bin Laden was a dead man as soon as the SEAL Team landed. There’s nothing wrong with that but the Obama administration should have been honest about it rather than spinning tales about bin Laden having a gun, reaching for a gun (the latest) and resisting (without saying how he resisted).

4. Too much information was released, too quickly and a lot of it was wrong. When it made the administration look good, the information flowed freely. When the tide turned, Jay Carney, Obama’s spokesman, clammed up completely. I’m a journalist; I like it when people talk about things. But from the administration’s perspective, it would have been much better to have given a very sparse, accurate description of what happened without going into too much detail, especially about the intelligence that led to the compound (an account which is necessarily suspect).

5. Obama tried to claim too much credit. Don’t get me wrong, he was entitled to a lot of credit. but sometimes less is more and it’s better to let facts speak for themselves. We didn’t need official after official to say how “gutsy” Obama was. Far better to have heaped praise on the CIA and SEALs (which, to be fair, was done most of the time) and talked less about Obama’s decision-making. And a nod to President George W. Bush would have been classy – and good politics for Obama...

(five more ways at the link)...

10 ways Barack Obama botched the aftermath of the masterful operation to kill Osama bin Laden – Telegraph Blogs

Not to sound racist but, I think it was a good thing, done well but handled poorly. What should be a highlight has turned into a fiasco.

Your not being racist, just fair.

 

[Uncensored2008]

One doesn't "assassinate" human trash. One kills them or executes them.

The killing of a political figure is assassination. It matters not what your view of that figure is.

Bin Laden was assassinated on orders of Obama. This causes me no grief, but the fact is that it violates both domestic and international law.

Obama is a war criminal.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Liberals just have no sense of humor.

Humor is a function of higher intellect.

Leftists are stupid creatures.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Hmmmmmmm

You have a very intellectually dishonest style.

I rarely disagree with you, but this time I have to.


There is NOTHING "intellectual" about bodecea....

 

[bodecea]

One doesn't "assassinate" human trash. One kills them or executes them.

The killing of a political figure is assassination. It matters not what your view of that figure is.

Bin Laden was assassinated on orders of Obama. This causes me no grief, but the fact is that it violates both domestic and international law.

Obama is a war criminal.

I think you guys ought to push that during the upcoming election cycle. Really.

 

[Jarhead]

One doesn't "assassinate" human trash. One kills them or executes them.

The killing of a political figure is assassination. It matters not what your view of that figure is.

Bin Laden was assassinated on orders of Obama. This causes me no grief, but the fact is that it violates both domestic and international law.

Obama is a war criminal.

Only an assumption....

But if it were Bush who was the CiC...and this exact action was taken...his approval rating would have plummeted and the left and the media would be seriously discussing how this should be deemed a violation of international law....espceially seeing as we entered a soveriegn nation without permission...and an innocent NON TARGET was killed during the assault.

 

[Jarhead]

One doesn't "assassinate" human trash. One kills them or executes them.

The killing of a political figure is assassination. It matters not what your view of that figure is.

Bin Laden was assassinated on orders of Obama. This causes me no grief, but the fact is that it violates both domestic and international law.

Obama is a war criminal.

I think you guys ought to push that during the upcoming election cycle. Really.

Why would we?
We approve of the action.

It is the left that has always been against things like entering a sovereign nation without permission and the death of innocent bystanders...


Well....until now.

 

[Toro]

One doesn't "assassinate" human trash. One kills them or executes them.

The killing of a political figure is assassination. It matters not what your view of that figure is.

Bin Laden was assassinated on orders of Obama. This causes me no grief, but the fact is that it violates both domestic and international law.

Obama is a war criminal.

Thousands of innocent men, women and children died in the Iraq War. Bush is a war criminal, right?

 

[theHawk]

One doesn't "assassinate" human trash. One kills them or executes them.

The killing of a political figure is assassination. It matters not what your view of that figure is.

Bin Laden was assassinated on orders of Obama. This causes me no grief, but the fact is that it violates both domestic and international law.

Obama is a war criminal.

I think you guys ought to push that during the upcoming election cycle. Really.

We won't because we don't give a **** about International law, and don't believe it should be applied to us. Only the Constitution really matters, and killing Osama was not violating the Constitution.

Thats not to say Obammy hasn't violated the constitution in other ways.

 

[Spoonman]

One doesn't "assassinate" human trash. One kills them or executes them.

The killing of a political figure is assassination. It matters not what your view of that figure is.

Bin Laden was assassinated on orders of Obama. This causes me no grief, but the fact is that it violates both domestic and international law.

Obama is a war criminal.

I think you guys ought to push that during the upcoming election cycle. Really.

Jobs and the economy will do the trick

 

[Uncensored2008]

I think you guys ought to push that during the upcoming election cycle. Really.

Look, you have the intellect of a mentally retarded pigeon who drank a pint of whiskey.

Still, if waterboarding makes Bush a war criminal, by what POSSIBLE clause would assassination, which violates two domestic laws and the Geneva convention, not make your Messiah® a war criminal?

 

[Jarhead]

One doesn't "assassinate" human trash. One kills them or executes them.

The killing of a political figure is assassination. It matters not what your view of that figure is.

Bin Laden was assassinated on orders of Obama. This causes me no grief, but the fact is that it violates both domestic and international law.

Obama is a war criminal.

Thousands of innocent men, women and children died in the Iraq War. Bush is a war criminal, right?

Bush had the approval of congress to enter a soveriegn nation and conduct a military operation.

I do not believe Obama did.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Thousands of innocent men, women and children died in the Iraq War. Bush is a war criminal, right?

Is Obama?

Do you need to swap rule books? I can wait....