Bin Laden is DEAD, thread from Hell

What do you think about the government's released information?

  • I believe all of it, of course some stuff is withheld for security's sake

    Votes: 39 39.4%
  • I believe none of it, seems like b-s to me

    Votes: 13 13.1%
  • I'm not sure yet

    Votes: 17 17.2%
  • I believe most of it, some stuff fabricated for political reasons

    Votes: 30 30.3%

  • Total voters
    99
Why? That's where Obama's head is at. Not on improving the country or our situation.

If that's where "Obama's head is" then he would have saved this for a September or October surprise next year. Or he would have acted much earlier and used it for the mid-terms.

It would be utterly moronic to do a big political stunt a year-and-a-half out from the elections.

George HW Bush, for instance, went from an 89% APR to a 29% APR in the year-and-a-half before the 1992 elections.

Obama has bigger problems right now. Tanking ratings, a non responsive economy, steady unemployment and rising gas prices which are what lead to the last tanking of the economy. The future is not bright and he knows he needs to slow the tide right now. Why did he choose to release the birth certificate right now? That was a choice. Why not wait like you said?
 
Course as most libs do when they have a weak argument, they tend to leave out important details like what led to discovering the identity of said informant.
What specifically was the method used to gather this intel? What is "normal questioning"? Is it normal practice to severly beat the prisoner, or throw them in a cold isolation cell.

Whatever "Normal Questioning" entails, Rumsfeld specifically states that it does not involve "harsh questioning", specifically "Waterboarding".
Rumsfeld is a fuckin' idiot......Rumsfeld became an idiot when he took the Iraq mission out of the hands of the Generals, and placed it squarely in his own. Rumsfeld demanded that all major tactical decisions would go through him, instead of allowing the Generals to just do their damn jobs, Rumsfled changed the ROE's, and at that point every thing went south. Our hands were tied on many levels, and the Bogey's took full advantage. Havok ensued.....The Rumsfled fiasco fully proved that you don't let god damn civilian's run wars. You don't let civialians make tactical decisions.....Leave 'em on the damn sidelines where they belong, and let the military do their job.....Had Rumsfeld just sat back and shut the **** up, our casualties would most likely be less than a third of what they are.

My only real ***** about Bush and his presidency was allowing Rumsfeld to grow balls......And we all witnessed what happened when Rumsfeld was tossed to curb, the mission was back on track. The Generals were back, fully in charge, and the mission became a success.

What Rumsfled did was akin to a President making the decision to go, and then jumping into one of the helicopters, asking "how do I start this thing?", ok LETS GO!........Bad things will undoubtedly happen.

I trust Rumsfeld about as much as I trust Obama stating he had no idea what William Ayers was all about when he launched his political career in his home.......Bullshitters are bullshitters, nothing more!
 
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We've got righties quoting Right wing sources that they used waterboarding and it lead to OBL's location.

We've got righties quoting Right wing sources that waterboarding did NOT lead to OBL's location.

We've got lefties quoting Right wing sources that waterboarding did NOT lead to OBL's location and Righties questioning their sources.


THis is going to be quite the fun story to follow. Where is the Truth? Does anyone really know?

There's no question. All the people who would know now agree, except apparently Peter King.

And Peter King has been known to spout stupid stuff before he knew what he was talking about in the past, so that's really not surprising.

Really? Everything I'm seeing is to the contrary.
 
Why? That's where Obama's head is at. Not on improving the country or our situation.

If that's where "Obama's head is" then he would have saved this for a September or October surprise next year. Or he would have acted much earlier and used it for the mid-terms.

It would be utterly moronic to do a big political stunt a year-and-a-half out from the elections.

George HW Bush, for instance, went from an 89% APR to a 29% APR in the year-and-a-half before the 1992 elections.

I agree. This had nothng to do with elections. Truth is, If the mission failed, he would have lost any chance of re-election as he would have lost his entire far left base as well as many of the independents.
I give him a total thumbs up on this. He put his political fuiture on the line for the American people.
Sadly, I believe Bush also did the same...and the American People chastised him for it. He did what he thought was best despite it being unpopular.
It is not easy being the President. You must make difficult decisions. Obama finally made one in my eyes.
 
Course as most libs do when they have a weak argument, they tend to leave out important details like what led to discovering the identity of said informant.
What specifically was the method used to gather this intel? What is "normal questioning"? Is it normal practice to severly beat the prisoner, or throw them in a cold isolation cell.

Whatever "Normal Questioning" entails, Rumsfeld specifically states that it does not involve "harsh questioning", specifically "Waterboarding".
Rumsfeld is a fuckin' idiot......Rumsfeld became an idiot when he took the Iraq mission out of the hands of the Generals, and placed it squarely in his own. Rumsfeld demanded that all major tactical decisions would go through him, instead of allowing the Generals to do just do their damn jobs, Rumsfled changed the ROE's, and at that point every thing went south. Our hands were tied on many levels, and the Bogey's took full advantage. Havok ensued.....The Rumsfled fiasco fully proved that you don't let god damn civilian's run wars. You don't let civialians make tactical decisions.....Leave 'em on the damn sidelines where they belong, and let the military do their job.....Had Rumsfeld just sat back and shut the **** up, our casualties would most likely be less than a third of what they are.

My only real ***** about Bush and his presidency was allowing Rumsfeld to grow balls......And we all witnessed what happened when Rumsfeld was tossed to curb, the mission was back on track. The Generals were back, fully in charge, and the mission became a success.

What Rumsfled did was akin to a President making the decision to go, and then jumping into one of the helicopters, asking "how do I start this thing?", ok LETS GO!........Bad things will undoubtedly happen.

I trust Rumsfeld about as much as I trust Obama stating he had no idea what William Ayers was all about when he launched his political career in his home.......Bullshitters are bullshitters, nothing more!

A classic Hitler move. And we all know how well that ended up.
 
Captured, my ass!!!

They gave him two warning shots in the head.

Nice shot btw.

I would have just gone center-mass. The shooter was just showing off.

Yes, good point. And I completely agree. Headshots were just showing off, but if you're going to kill Osama Bin Laden, you might as well do it with style. :)
 
Captured, my ass!!!

They gave him two warning shots in the head.

Nice shot btw.

I would have just gone center-mass. The shooter was just showing off.

Yes, good point. And I completely agree. Headshots were just showing off, but if you're going to kill Osama Bin Laden, you might as well do it with style. :)

Then why not a wooden stake through the heart?
 
I think Obama wants to become a wartime President because he might think this shit is fun. I hear he's making all kinds of aggressive announcements and sounding tough.

Maybe all the green-jobs BS, and health care BS isn't working for him, but kicking ass on the enemy is doing wonders for him.
 
I think Obama wants to become a wartime President because he might think this shit is fun. I hear he's making all kinds of aggressive announcements and sounding tough.

Maybe all the green-jobs BS, and health care BS isn't working for him, but kicking ass on the enemy is doing wonders for him.
 
We've got righties quoting Right wing sources that they used waterboarding and it lead to OBL's location.

We've got righties quoting Right wing sources that waterboarding did NOT lead to OBL's location.

We've got lefties quoting Right wing sources that waterboarding did NOT lead to OBL's location and Righties questioning their sources.


THis is going to be quite the fun story to follow. Where is the Truth? Does anyone really know?

There's no question. All the people who would know now agree, except apparently Peter King.

And Peter King has been known to spout stupid stuff before he knew what he was talking about in the past, so that's really not surprising.

Seeing as Obamas SoHS was asked about waterboarding and he did not outright say "it did not contribute""...I must believe that it contributed...and I say that because Obama is strobgly agaiunst waterboarding.

To the contrary..his answer was "there were manby factors that led to his whereabouts...." when he was specifically asked if waterboarding was a part of it.

A PERFECT time for him to say assertively....."absolutely not..."

Basic logic.....it most certainly did contribute. Does not mean I defend the use of waterboarding.....but logic is logic.
 
Obama has bigger problems right now. Tanking ratings, a non responsive economy, steady unemployment and rising gas prices which are what lead to the last tanking of the economy. The future is not bright and he knows he needs to slow the tide right now. Why did he choose to release the birth certificate right now? That was a choice. Why not wait like you said?

Why wouldn't he?

Donald Trump, a major contender in the opposition party's nominee field brought it up, so he brought it out to show how much of a fool Trump is. Case Closed.
 
I think Obama wants to become a wartime President because he might think this shit is fun. I hear he's making all kinds of aggressive announcements and sounding tough.

Maybe all the green-jobs BS, and health care BS isn't working for him, but kicking ass on the enemy is doing wonders for him.

I heard rumor that he brought his GI Joe dolls into the tub with him last week.
 
Seeing as Obamas SoHS was asked about waterboarding and he did not outright say "it did not contribute""...I must believe that it contributed...and I say that because Obama is strobgly agaiunst waterboarding.

To the contrary..his answer was "there were manby factors that led to his whereabouts...." when he was specifically asked if waterboarding was a part of it.

A PERFECT time for him to say assertively....."absolutely not..."

Basic logic.....it most certainly did contribute. Does not mean I defend the use of waterboarding.....but logic is logic.

Seeing as how Brennan then went on a talk show the next morning and specifically stated just that, it seems quite likely the the SoHS simply did not know the specifics at the time.
 
I think Obama wants to become a wartime President because he might think this shit is fun. I hear he's making all kinds of aggressive announcements and sounding tough.

Maybe all the green-jobs BS, and health care BS isn't working for him, but kicking ass on the enemy is doing wonders for him.

I heard rumor that he brought his GI Joe dolls into the tub with him last week.
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I don't care who ya' are, that's funny shit right there!
 
Obama has bigger problems right now. Tanking ratings, a non responsive economy, steady unemployment and rising gas prices which are what lead to the last tanking of the economy. The future is not bright and he knows he needs to slow the tide right now. Why did he choose to release the birth certificate right now? That was a choice. Why not wait like you said?

Why wouldn't he?

Donald Trump, a major contender in the opposition party's nominee field brought it up, so he brought it out to show how much of a fool Trump is. Case Closed.

So he didnt do it for the average Joe American who asked him to do it for over 2 years...but he had no issue doing it if it meant he can make an opponent look like a fool.

Now THERE is the maturity we all like to see in our President.
 
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Obama has bigger problems right now. Tanking ratings, a non responsive economy, steady unemployment and rising gas prices which are what lead to the last tanking of the economy. The future is not bright and he knows he needs to slow the tide right now. Why did he choose to release the birth certificate right now? That was a choice. Why not wait like you said?

Why wouldn't he?

Donald Trump, a major contender in the opposition party's nominee field brought it up, so he brought it out to show how much of a fool Trump is. Case Closed.

Like you said, it's too early in the game. or were you mistaken when you said that? which is it.

Plenty of other major contenders have brought it up. Including Hillary Clinton, the original one. Why now, 3 years later?
 
i think obama wants to become a wartime president because he might think this shit is fun. I hear he's making all kinds of aggressive announcements and sounding tough.

Maybe all the green-jobs bs, and health care bs isn't working for him, but kicking ass on the enemy is doing wonders for him.

i heard rumor that he brought his gi joe dolls into the tub with him last week.

lol.
 

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