Bin Laden is DEAD, thread from Hell

[Wicked Jester]

Rumsfeld: Waterboarding Didn’t Reveal Bin Laden Location

Looks like, once again, the conservative pundits and talking heads are speaking from their posterior regions.

Do they ever get tired of being wrong? One wonders.

And yet Obama's chief talking head this morning said during his briefing that info gleened from various sources through various methods was used....And refused to confirm or deny that info obtained through non-tortuous waterboarding was used.......It was quite obvious that he was very uncomfortable with that question, seeing as though an admission would cause turmoil among the base.

And yes, Rumsfeld is probably right. Waterboarding didn't REVEAL BIN LADENS LOCATION, it appears that it may have helped identify the courier, who many years later LED the CIA to Bin Ladens location.

 

[mudwhistle]

Rumsfeld: Waterboarding Didn’t Reveal Bin Laden Location

Looks like, once again, the conservative pundits and talking heads are speaking from their posterior regions.

Do they ever get tired of being wrong? One wonders.

Waterboarding stopped being used years ago.

And nobody said it revealed UBL's location. I thought it was clear that ultimately an errant cell phone call established his location.

Nice try though.

A bit lame nonetheless.

 

[Ravi]

Nope. Not lying.
I stand by my statement.
Prove me wrong. You wont be able to.

And while you are at it...look early on in this thread. I did nothing but praise Obama for this situation. I also said "proof" was not necessary as Obama would not lie about soemthing like this. I also said that it took great leadership to make the decision he made as his poilitical career was at stake if the seals failed....

Can you show me where you have EVER priased anyone that has an R next to their name?

Here's two on this very topic.

Yes, thank you.

I am impressed with whoever got him, and Dubya deserves some kudos as well.

I see your answer, Ravi......not exactly running away, this.

Praising someone with an R next to their name apparently means I've never praised anyone with an R next to their name.

It's a bit frightening, almost 1984ish.

 

[mal]

Did somebody mention 1984?...



peace...

 

[Vast LWC]

And yet Obama's chief talking head this morning said during his briefing that info gleened from various sources through various methods was used....And refused to confirm or deny that info obtained through non-tortuous waterboarding was used.......It was quite obvious that he was very uncomfortable with that question, seeing as though an admission would cause turmoil among the base.

And yes, Rumsfeld is probably right. Waterboarding didn't REVEAL BIN LADENS LOCATION, it appears that it may have helped identify the courier, who many years later LED the CIA to Bin Ladens location.

Who was Secretary of Defense when said events happened? Rumsfeld. Why would he lie? Obama's spokesman may not have known the specifics of the incident in question yet, thus his "uncomfortableness", but Rumsfeld was there.

And Rumsfeld's comments were pretty clear:

Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is claiming the information that tipped the U.S. off to terrorist leader Osama bin Laden’s location was not collected through the controversial enhanced interrogation technique known as waterboarding.

“It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance,” Rumsfeld said during an interview with the conservative magazine Newsmax. “But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”

And that's also in "Newsmax", though they did of course try to cover themselves by including a whole bunch of talking points later in the same interview.

 

[CountofTuscany]

you posted that while I was writing my post...
But I guiess that c9oncept is something you cant grasp....although I am sure it has happened to you too.

But that being said.....thanking one you see as an idiot means nothing.

Answer my question...

Who do you completely disagree with polticially but still admire from an intelligence and service standpiont.

Anyone?

You were correct bodecea...

Ravi ran from the question.

Not surprised.

There, I did end up negging you.

Ta ta, liar.

Why do you neg people?

 

[Ravi]

You were correct bodecea...

Ravi ran from the question.

Not surprised.

There, I did end up negging you.

Ta ta, liar.

Why do you neg people?

In his case, because he lied about me.

 

[CountofTuscany]

And yet Obama's chief talking head this morning said during his briefing that info gleened from various sources through various methods was used....And refused to confirm or deny that info obtained through non-tortuous waterboarding was used.......It was quite obvious that he was very uncomfortable with that question, seeing as though an admission would cause turmoil among the base.

And yes, Rumsfeld is probably right. Waterboarding didn't REVEAL BIN LADENS LOCATION, it appears that it may have helped identify the courier, who many years later LED the CIA to Bin Ladens location.

Who was Secretary of Defense when said events happened? Rumsfeld. Why would he lie? Obama's spokesman may not have known the specifics of the incident in question yet, thus his "uncomfortableness", but Rumsfeld was there.

And Rumsfeld's comments were pretty clear:

Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is claiming the information that tipped the U.S. off to terrorist leader Osama bin Laden’s location was not collected through the controversial enhanced interrogation technique known as waterboarding.

“It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance,” Rumsfeld said during an interview with the conservative magazine Newsmax. “But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”

And that's also in "Newsmax", though they did of course try to cover themselves by including a whole bunch of talking points later in the same interview.

Dude, liberals have spent years calling Rumsfeld a liar and every other negative under the sun. Why the change of heart now? It fit's your agenda?

 

[mudwhistle]

And yet Obama's chief talking head this morning said during his briefing that info gleened from various sources through various methods was used....And refused to confirm or deny that info obtained through non-tortuous waterboarding was used.......It was quite obvious that he was very uncomfortable with that question, seeing as though an admission would cause turmoil among the base.

And yes, Rumsfeld is probably right. Waterboarding didn't REVEAL BIN LADENS LOCATION, it appears that it may have helped identify the courier, who many years later LED the CIA to Bin Ladens location.

Who was Secretary of Defense when said events happened? Rumsfeld. Why would he lie? Obama's spokesman may not have known the specifics of the incident in question yet, thus his "uncomfortableness", but Rumsfeld was there.

And Rumsfeld's comments were pretty clear:

Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is claiming the information that tipped the U.S. off to terrorist leader Osama bin Laden’s location was not collected through the controversial enhanced interrogation technique known as waterboarding.

“It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance,” Rumsfeld said during an interview with the conservative magazine Newsmax. “But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”

And that's also in "Newsmax", though they did of course try to cover themselves by including a whole bunch of talking points later in the same interview.

Course as most libs do when they have a weak argument, they tend to leave out important details like what led to discovering the identity of said informant.
What specifically was the method used to gather this intel? What is "normal questioning"? Is it normal practice to severly beat the prisoner, or throw them in a cold isolation cell.

 

[Wicked Jester]

And yet Obama's chief talking head this morning said during his briefing that info gleened from various sources through various methods was used....And refused to confirm or deny that info obtained through non-tortuous waterboarding was used.......It was quite obvious that he was very uncomfortable with that question, seeing as though an admission would cause turmoil among the base.

And yes, Rumsfeld is probably right. Waterboarding didn't REVEAL BIN LADENS LOCATION, it appears that it may have helped identify the courier, who many years later LED the CIA to Bin Ladens location.

Who was Secretary of Defense when said events happened? Rumsfeld. Why would he lie? Obama's spokesman may not have known the specifics of the incident in question yet, thus his "uncomfortableness", but Rumsfeld was there.

And Rumsfeld's comments were pretty clear:

Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is claiming the information that tipped the U.S. off to terrorist leader Osama bin Laden’s location was not collected through the controversial enhanced interrogation technique known as waterboarding.

“It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance,” Rumsfeld said during an interview with the conservative magazine Newsmax. “But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”

And that's also in "Newsmax", though they did of course try to cover themselves by including a whole bunch of talking points later in the same interview.

Ohhhhhhhhhh, so after many years of you lefty's calling Rumsfeld a Liar, Scumbag, and various other typical, hateful, leftwing BS, all of a sudden you're going to throw up Rumsfeld as a credible source in order to try and protect your beloved president who may have used info from a teqnique that you lib's have been whining about for years.

Fact is, Peter King who has access to such info stated the exact opposite of Rumsfeld.

Fact is, Rumsfeld is no longer privy to top secret, classified, or sensitive info.

 

[Vast LWC]

Waterboarding stopped being used years ago.

And nobody said it revealed UBL's location. I thought it was clear that ultimately an errant cell phone call established his location.

Nice try though.

A bit lame nonetheless.

Nobody said that, eh?

That's interesting. Why interesting? Because I watched a clip of Glenn Beck stating just that yesterday.

Not to mention Rep Peter King (R-NY) and Liz Cheney saying the same thing on FoxNews:

FT.com / Global insight - Champions of waterboarding hail bin Laden raid

“You mentioned the fact that we obtained vital information several years ago about the courier for Osama – we obtained that information through waterboarding,” said Peter King, a New York Republican.

Or Rep Steve King from Iowa:

Republican: What's Obama think of waterboarding now? - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) took to Twitter to ask, sarcastically, about the president's position on waterboarding, the controversial interrogation tactic sometimes used by the U.S. government against suspected terrorists, in order to extract intelligence.

King tweeted:

Wonder what President Obama thinks of water boarding now?

 

[bodecea]

you posted that while I was writing my post...
But I guiess that c9oncept is something you cant grasp....although I am sure it has happened to you too.

But that being said.....thanking one you see as an idiot means nothing.

Answer my question...

Who do you completely disagree with polticially but still admire from an intelligence and service standpiont.

Anyone?

I tell you what. You stated:

of course, a rhetorical line is what you question....not the crux of the post.
Ravi and Bodecea have a reputaion of blaming EVERYTHING on Bush....it is like they literally regurgitate campaign speeches of Obama from the 2008 campaign.

I proved you wrong.

Apologize and I'll think about answering your other question.

apologize?
What have I said that is wrong?
You have blamed the housing crisis on Bush

Link?

...the recession on Bush

Link?

...the slow recovery on Bush

Link?

.....the incorrect intel regarding WMD's on Bush

Link?

...the debt on Bush....

Link?

Let us remind you that the question you asked Ravi was this:

Can you show me where you have EVER priased anyone that has an R next to their name?

That question was answered with not ONE example but TWO...

Ravi's right....you then change the goal posts..... and then accuse her of running away. Tooooo funny!

Thanking Bush for something good doesnt mean that you dont blame all bad things on him.

This is funny TOO....

SO now....stop the diversion...and try to answer my question..

She did...see your question above.

Please offer me one person in politics whom you completely disagree with but one that yuou still recognize their intelligence, eloquence, and overall service.[/qutoe]

That was your SECOND question....after she answered your first one.

[quoteName one.

I did.....I actually named three prominant ones.......now you do it.

And I named MORE than three....but, knowing you, you'll change the question and accuse me of running away.

 

[CountofTuscany]

Waterboarding has give Obama a short term boost in the polls. He better enjoy it before the next unemployment figures come out.

 

[Vast LWC]

Course as most libs do when they have a weak argument, they tend to leave out important details like what led to discovering the identity of said informant.
What specifically was the method used to gather this intel? What is "normal questioning"? Is it normal practice to severly beat the prisoner, or throw them in a cold isolation cell.

Whatever "Normal Questioning" entails, Rumsfeld specifically states that it does not involve "harsh questioning", specifically "Waterboarding".

 

[Jarhead]

Here's two on this very topic.

I see your answer, Ravi......not exactly running away, this.

Praising someone with an R next to their name apparently means I've never praised anyone with an R next to their name.

It's a bit frightening, almost 1984ish.

Please show me where I said anything about praising someone with an R next to their name......

I asked you to cite an example of a politician who you completely disagree with but that you dont see as an idiot or a loon or a bimbo.

As I did with Obama, Pelosi and Frank.

 

[bodecea]

And yet Obama's chief talking head this morning said during his briefing that info gleened from various sources through various methods was used....And refused to confirm or deny that info obtained through non-tortuous waterboarding was used.......It was quite obvious that he was very uncomfortable with that question, seeing as though an admission would cause turmoil among the base.

And yes, Rumsfeld is probably right. Waterboarding didn't REVEAL BIN LADENS LOCATION, it appears that it may have helped identify the courier, who many years later LED the CIA to Bin Ladens location.

Who was Secretary of Defense when said events happened? Rumsfeld. Why would he lie? Obama's spokesman may not have known the specifics of the incident in question yet, thus his "uncomfortableness", but Rumsfeld was there.

And Rumsfeld's comments were pretty clear:

Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is claiming the information that tipped the U.S. off to terrorist leader Osama bin Laden’s location was not collected through the controversial enhanced interrogation technique known as waterboarding.

“It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance,” Rumsfeld said during an interview with the conservative magazine Newsmax. “But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”

And that's also in "Newsmax", though they did of course try to cover themselves by including a whole bunch of talking points later in the same interview.

Ohhhhhhhhhh, so after many years of you lefty's calling Rumsfeld a Liar, Scumbag, and various other typical, hateful, leftwing BS, all of a sudden you're going to throw up Rumsfeld as a credible source in order to try and protect your beloved president who may have used info from a teqnique that you lib's have been whining about for years.

Fact is, Peter King who has access to such info stated the exact opposite of Rumsfeld.

Fact is, Rumsfeld is no longer privy to top secret, classified, or sensitive info.

How interesting to see King reveal classified information...or at least pretend he is.

 

[Jarhead]

I did not realize I used the term (R)....I apologize...droppthe request for an R......any politican you disagree with...

Answer it Ravi....

 

[Biggles]

double post

 

[Biggles]

Gitmo Works.

Enhanced interrogation works.

BO was wrong about Gitmo and most other issues he spoke about when campaigning. He now knows the facts and the tough truths of the world.


PS:

Bin Laden is dead.

Bin Laden is shark bait.

Bin Laden is burning in hell.
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[CountofTuscany]

Who was Secretary of Defense when said events happened? Rumsfeld. Why would he lie? Obama's spokesman may not have known the specifics of the incident in question yet, thus his "uncomfortableness", but Rumsfeld was there.

And Rumsfeld's comments were pretty clear:



And that's also in "Newsmax", though they did of course try to cover themselves by including a whole bunch of talking points later in the same interview.

Ohhhhhhhhhh, so after many years of you lefty's calling Rumsfeld a Liar, Scumbag, and various other typical, hateful, leftwing BS, all of a sudden you're going to throw up Rumsfeld as a credible source in order to try and protect your beloved president who may have used info from a teqnique that you lib's have been whining about for years.

Fact is, Peter King who has access to such info stated the exact opposite of Rumsfeld.

Fact is, Rumsfeld is no longer privy to top secret, classified, or sensitive info.

How interesting to see King reveal classified information...or at least pretend he is.

How is it classified? The Obama administration has already stated the Bush Administration utilized waterboarding?