Big protests in Arizona

[Nosmo King]

from the link in post #6;
"Protesters swelled in front of the Capitol as people converged to rally against Senate Bill 1070 during the day. Some came from as far away as California.

The size of the crowd grew over the course of the afternoon, and estimates by Phoenix police and media varied between 1,500 and about 2,000. By about 5 p.m., most of the crowd had dispersed, but a new wave of about 50 to 100 protesters arrived from Carl Hayden Community High School.

During the day, some of the protesters marched around the building, chanting, "Si se puede," or "We can do it." They were joined by 56 members of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, who arrived by bus."


Does anyone besides me see a problem with people from another state meddling in a state's political process? I would think that the governor might simply dismiss the entire crowd thinking they are all from California and do not represent registered voters of the state.

As an aside, the only people that have been out in the little mountain town I live in are a few local residents that do vote here urging other registered Az voters to call the governor in support of the bill.

Does that go for the Freedom Riders of the 1960s, or do you think students at the University of Mississippi helped organize the effort?

In this case, the brilliant, compassionate and liberty loving statesmen of Arizona are taking jurisdiction of the federal border. They want basically a "pass law" enacted after other repressive regimes have tried it and ultimately failed. But, they must be Conservatives. They simply don't learn from their own mistakes because they fail to learn history.

Taking jurisdiction from the INS.

Doesn't that make this case a national one by default?

 

[slackjawed]

They live in the desert, how happy can they be?

Your ignorance of geography has certainly been established.

 

[Immanuel]

I breezed the article; that's all of my attention it deserved. A couple of thousand Spanish speaking individuals wanting to make it easier for illegals to enter this Country carry no weight with me.

Umm Why do you assume they speak spanish?

From yer link: "During the day, some of the protesters marched around the building, chanting, "Si se puede,".

Let's see if I remember my high school Spanish well enough from... um never mind I don't want to think about how many years ago that really was... but, Si se puede means: Yes, we can, right?

Immie

 

[California Girl]

I breezed the article; that's all of my attention it deserved. A couple of thousand Spanish speaking individuals wanting to make it easier for illegals to enter this Country carry no weight with me.

Umm Why do you assume they speak spanish?

because they were quoted in your link speaking spanish, twatknuckle

The article is not from Media Matters, therefore truthmatters will not have actually read it.

 

[WillowTree]

Hahaha,

Are you all getting the impression that TM agrees with this protest? Yet she condemns those who protest tax policy in the Tea Party?

Maybe I am wrong, but I get the impression that since this bill is supposedly a conservative bill she thinks the world of these protesters.

TM here is a little bit of information I have picked up over the last few years. Now this is my impression so you have to go off of my statements and I can't prove it or link to it, but people are angry in the following states:

* Alabama
* Alaska
* Arizona
* Arkansas
* California
* Colorado
* Connecticut
* Delaware
* Florida
* Georgia
* Hawaii
* Idaho
* Illinois
* Indiana
* Iowa
* Kansas
* Kentucky
* Louisiana
* Maine
* Maryland
* Massachusetts
* Michigan
* Minnesota
* Mississippi
* Missouri
* Montana
* Nebraska
* Nevada
* New Hampshire
* New Jersey
* New Mexico
* New York
* North Carolina
* North Dakota
* Ohio
* Oklahoma
* Oregon
* Pennsylvania
* Rhode Island
* South Carolina
* South Dakota
* Tennessee
* Texas
* Utah
* Vermont
* Virginia
* Washington
* West Virginia
* Wisconsin
* Wyoming

Immie

I wonder if Obama and company will accuse them of inciting violence????

That's an impressive list. It's a relief that it's not all 57 states though.

SmartAZZ

 

[Truthmatters]

I dont think your spanish treacher would have passed you through spanish class on one phrase alone.

 

[del]

I dont think your spanish treacher would have passed you through spanish class on one phrase alone.

do you have a high school diploma?

i rest my case.

 

[Truthmatters]

These people protesting are americans and have a right to protest.

 

[slackjawed]

from the link in post #6;
"Protesters swelled in front of the Capitol as people converged to rally against Senate Bill 1070 during the day. Some came from as far away as California.

The size of the crowd grew over the course of the afternoon, and estimates by Phoenix police and media varied between 1,500 and about 2,000. By about 5 p.m., most of the crowd had dispersed, but a new wave of about 50 to 100 protesters arrived from Carl Hayden Community High School.

During the day, some of the protesters marched around the building, chanting, "Si se puede," or "We can do it." They were joined by 56 members of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, who arrived by bus."


Does anyone besides me see a problem with people from another state meddling in a state's political process? I would think that the governor might simply dismiss the entire crowd thinking they are all from California and do not represent registered voters of the state.

As an aside, the only people that have been out in the little mountain town I live in are a few local residents that do vote here urging other registered Az voters to call the governor in support of the bill.

Does that go for the Freedom Riders of the 1960s, or do you think students at the University of Mississippi helped organize the effort?

In this case, the brilliant, compassionate and liberty loving statesmen of Arizona are taking jurisdiction of the federal border. They want basically a "pass law" enacted after other repressive regimes have tried it and ultimately failed. But, they must be Conservatives. They simply don't learn from their own mistakes because they fail to learn history.

Taking jurisdiction from the INS.

Doesn't that make this case a national one by default?

It is a national problem, once they leave mexico and come through Az they go everywhere.
This law will be challenged in court, federal court. We all know and expect it. That will likely bring to light the fact this law addresses a federal responsibility that the federal government is not living up to. maybe it will force the federal government to act. That is the hope here anyway.

However; bringing in protesters from another state to try to influence a governor to sign or not sign a state bill into law is detrimental in a way that the protesters and the organizers of the out of state protesters probobly did not plan on.

It allows to governor to totally dismiss ALL the protesters as being from out of state. She doesn't have to worry about them at all, because they have no vote in the state.
Those that do live in the state, and are part of the protest then become as minimized as the out of state protesters. That was what i was pointing out.

I live in a very rural area of the state in a small town and have not met anyone that opposes the bill. Butthen last year we had one of our deputies killed by illegals. We are not guessing, they were caught, we know they were illegals and were smuggling drugs and people and were armed.

 

[bodecea]

from the link in post #6;
"Protesters swelled in front of the Capitol as people converged to rally against Senate Bill 1070 during the day. Some came from as far away as California.

The size of the crowd grew over the course of the afternoon, and estimates by Phoenix police and media varied between 1,500 and about 2,000. By about 5 p.m., most of the crowd had dispersed, but a new wave of about 50 to 100 protesters arrived from Carl Hayden Community High School.

During the day, some of the protesters marched around the building, chanting, "Si se puede," or "We can do it." They were joined by 56 members of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, who arrived by bus."


Does anyone besides me see a problem with people from another state meddling in a state's political process? I would think that the governor might simply dismiss the entire crowd thinking they are all from California and do not represent registered voters of the state.

As an aside, the only people that have been out in the little mountain town I live in are a few local residents that do vote here urging other registered Az voters to call the governor in support of the bill.

I agree with you on this. We saw with Prop H8 how outsiders can influence lawmaking in our own state.

Let AZ decide for themselves.

 

[California Girl]

It seems that this law is not making people in Arizona happy.

So, since a couple of thousand in AZ is worth paying attention to. What about the hundreds of thousands that have turned out ACROSS A WHOLE COUNTRY? We can ignore those?

Look up the following word: hypocrite.

 

[del]

These people protesting are americans and have a right to protest.

no one said they couldn't, asshat.

try again

 

[California Girl]

These people protesting are americans and have a right to protest.

“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Ambrose Bierce

 

[Immanuel]

These people protesting are americans and have a right to protest.

1) So do those who attend the Tea Party rallies.

2) I have not seen one person in this thread deny the Arizona protesters that right.

Immie

 

[slackjawed]

from the link in post #6;
"Protesters swelled in front of the Capitol as people converged to rally against Senate Bill 1070 during the day. Some came from as far away as California.

The size of the crowd grew over the course of the afternoon, and estimates by Phoenix police and media varied between 1,500 and about 2,000. By about 5 p.m., most of the crowd had dispersed, but a new wave of about 50 to 100 protesters arrived from Carl Hayden Community High School.

During the day, some of the protesters marched around the building, chanting, "Si se puede," or "We can do it." They were joined by 56 members of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, who arrived by bus."


Does anyone besides me see a problem with people from another state meddling in a state's political process? I would think that the governor might simply dismiss the entire crowd thinking they are all from California and do not represent registered voters of the state.

As an aside, the only people that have been out in the little mountain town I live in are a few local residents that do vote here urging other registered Az voters to call the governor in support of the bill.

I agree with you on this. We saw with Prop H8 how outsiders can influence lawmaking in our own state.

Let AZ decide for themselves.

For the record I stayed home and did not go to CA to protest when prop H8 was in play. In addition, I made the same type of statements about "home rule' and let the locals decide their own rules, in person and even on here.
I didn't have a different opinion then either.

 

[Truthmatters]

The only problem is not only Arizonans will be subject to these laws, everyone who visits the state will be too.

 

[del]

The only problem is not only Arizonans will be subject to these laws, everyone who visits the state will be too.

all the people who come to massachusetts are exposed to our laws

don't like it? stay the fuck home.

see how easy that is, clitwhistle?

 

[slackjawed]

The only problem is not only Arizonans will be subject to these laws, everyone who visits the state will be too.

Like California's port of entry laws, gun laws and Nevada's fuel tax, which I must abide if I visit but had no say in creating.

I can always choose not to visit those places.

 

[Truthmatters]

Commerse in the US does not stop at the state borders.
Many businesses have more than one state with customers.

 

[slackjawed]

Commerse in the US does not stop at the state borders.
Many businesses have more than one state with customers.

Weak! If your trying to justify these protests by the commerce clause then you should thank the state assembly in AZ for enacting this law as the illegals influence interstate commerce as well.