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Biden's nominee for ATF head is an anti-gun lobbyist who was at the Ruby Ridge standoff and Waco massacre

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Because in 1993 he signed off on the ban, and sent it to the US Senate to be ratified. Why would he have done that if he didn't think they were too dangerous to use in combat....


After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
LOLOLOLOL

Hey everybody, watch this....

Struth, on what date did Clinton sign that...? Here, I'll even spot you dates of significance...


:popcorn:





I don't know who said this originally but it sure applies to you...

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
Dude....he signed off on it after it was ratified...but had to submitted it, first...he did in 1993, as I showed you. Prior to submitting it, he negiatated it with foreign countries.

Geez...your limited ability to of understanding basics civics is mindblowing
LOLOL

What you showed was that he sent it to the Senate in November, 1993. What the fuck does that have to do with April, 1993?? :cuckoo:

The only president to sign off on it by April, 1993 ... was George Bush, not Bill Clinton.

Thanks for removing "all doubt."

:abgg2q.jpg:
Um...my quote...that you quoted...says Nov 1993...that's when Clinton signed off, and submitted it to the Senate. Your own link says that too

Also Bush wasn't President in April 1993
First of all, your original claim that you've since abandoned since you clearly spouted it out from your position of ignorance, was that CS gas was banned from combat in 1993. You idiotically tried to tie that to the Waco raid in April, 1993.

When that nonsense failed you since it actually wasn't banned until 1997, you then tried to contort your ridiculous position into Clinton signed off in 1993.

You then utterly destroyed your own position as well as prove that famous quote I referenced a few posts ago by posting an article that indicated it was actually Bush who signed it and that Clinton put off addressing it for months while he focused on domestic issues; ultimately sending it to the Senate in November, 1993, 7 months after the Waco raid.

Your entire bullshit about Clinton using CS on civilians while it was banned from combat thoroughly exposes what a cretin you are.
 

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Because in 1993 he signed off on the ban, and sent it to the US Senate to be ratified. Why would he have done that if he didn't think they were too dangerous to use in combat....


After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
LOLOLOLOL

Hey everybody, watch this....

Struth, on what date did Clinton sign that...? Here, I'll even spot you dates of significance...


:popcorn:





I don't know who said this originally but it sure applies to you...

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
Dude....he signed off on it after it was ratified...but had to submitted it, first...he did in 1993, as I showed you. Prior to submitting it, he negiatated it with foreign countries.

Geez...your limited ability to of understanding basics civics is mindblowing
LOLOL

What you showed was that he sent it to the Senate in November, 1993. What the fuck does that have to do with April, 1993?? :cuckoo:

The only president to sign off on it by April, 1993 ... was George Bush, not Bill Clinton.

Thanks for removing "all doubt."

:abgg2q.jpg:
Um...my quote...that you quoted...says Nov 1993...that's when Clinton signed off, and submitted it to the Senate. Your own link says that too

Also Bush wasn't President in April 1993
First of all, your original claim that you've since abandoned since you clearly spouted it out from your position of ignorance, was that CS gas was banned from combat in 1993. You idiotically tried to tie that to the Waco raid in April, 1993.

When that nonsense failed you since it actually wasn't banned until 1997, you then tried to contort your ridiculous position into Clinton signed off in 1993.

You then utterly destroyed your own position as well as prove that famous quote I referenced a few posts ago by posting an article that indicated it was actually Bush who signed it and that Clinton put off addressing it for months while he focused on domestic issues; ultimately sending it to the Senate in November, 1993, 7 months after the Waco raid.

Your entire bullshit about Clinton using CS on civilians while it was banned from combat thoroughly exposes what a cretin you are.
I said it was banned, and Clinton signed off on it being banned in 1993...which he did when he submitted the ban to the Senate.

Are you trying to suggest that he decided to just throw it in there 6 months later? It's certainly possible...maybe he did realize that after he had it used on American citizens that the rest of the world should ban it for combat as well...and maybe it's possible the rest of the world that watched Clinton and Reno's horrible abuse of power on their own citizens signed off in those few months...it's possible I guess...
 

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I said it was banned, and Clinton signed off on it being banned in 1993...which he did when he submitted the ban to the Senate.

Are you trying to suggest that he decided to just throw it in there 6 months later? It's certainly possible...maybe he did realize that after he had it used on American citizens that the rest of the world should ban it for combat as well...and maybe it's possible the rest of the world that watched Clinton and Reno's horrible abuse of power on their own citizens signed off in those few months...it's possible I guess...
You said it was banned in 1993. It wasn't.

You said Clinton used it while it was banned from Combat. He didn't.

You tried to connect the dots between Clinton using it on civilians (which it still is) and it being banned from use in combat -- but the only dots you really connected were between you and your rubber-padded cell at your asylum.
 

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I said it was banned, and Clinton signed off on it being banned in 1993...which he did when he submitted the ban to the Senate.

Are you trying to suggest that he decided to just throw it in there 6 months later? It's certainly possible...maybe he did realize that after he had it used on American citizens that the rest of the world should ban it for combat as well...and maybe it's possible the rest of the world that watched Clinton and Reno's horrible abuse of power on their own citizens signed off in those few months...it's possible I guess...
You said it was banned in 1993. It wasn't.

You said Clinton used it while it was banned from Combat. He didn't.

You tried to connect the dots between Clinton using it on civilians (which it still is) and it being banned from use in combat -- but the only dots you really connected were between you and your rubber-padded cell at your asylum.
It's when he agreed it should be banned. He clearly thought they were too dangerous to use in combat, but was fine using against his own people. Very Saddam like really.
 

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I said it was banned, and Clinton signed off on it being banned in 1993...which he did when he submitted the ban to the Senate.

Are you trying to suggest that he decided to just throw it in there 6 months later? It's certainly possible...maybe he did realize that after he had it used on American citizens that the rest of the world should ban it for combat as well...and maybe it's possible the rest of the world that watched Clinton and Reno's horrible abuse of power on their own citizens signed off in those few months...it's possible I guess...
You said it was banned in 1993. It wasn't.

You said Clinton used it while it was banned from Combat. He didn't.

You tried to connect the dots between Clinton using it on civilians (which it still is) and it being banned from use in combat -- but the only dots you really connected were between you and your rubber-padded cell at your asylum.
It's when he agreed it should be banned. He clearly thought they were too dangerous to use in combat, but was fine using against his own people. Very Saddam like really.
You're still lying as even your own link offered squat to suggest it was even on his radar in April, 1993.
 

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I said it was banned, and Clinton signed off on it being banned in 1993...which he did when he submitted the ban to the Senate.

Are you trying to suggest that he decided to just throw it in there 6 months later? It's certainly possible...maybe he did realize that after he had it used on American citizens that the rest of the world should ban it for combat as well...and maybe it's possible the rest of the world that watched Clinton and Reno's horrible abuse of power on their own citizens signed off in those few months...it's possible I guess...
You said it was banned in 1993. It wasn't.

You said Clinton used it while it was banned from Combat. He didn't.

You tried to connect the dots between Clinton using it on civilians (which it still is) and it being banned from use in combat -- but the only dots you really connected were between you and your rubber-padded cell at your asylum.
It's when he agreed it should be banned. He clearly thought they were too dangerous to use in combat, but was fine using against his own people. Very Saddam like really.
You're still lying as even your own link offered squat to suggest it was even on his radar in April, 1993.
huh? My link certainly highlights it was on the radar...as did yours...it was being worked out with foreign leaders.

Geez...you will go to any length possible to defend the barbaric, Saddam, Assad, like tactics by Dems...it's sad really
 

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I said it was banned, and Clinton signed off on it being banned in 1993...which he did when he submitted the ban to the Senate.

Are you trying to suggest that he decided to just throw it in there 6 months later? It's certainly possible...maybe he did realize that after he had it used on American citizens that the rest of the world should ban it for combat as well...and maybe it's possible the rest of the world that watched Clinton and Reno's horrible abuse of power on their own citizens signed off in those few months...it's possible I guess...
You said it was banned in 1993. It wasn't.

You said Clinton used it while it was banned from Combat. He didn't.

You tried to connect the dots between Clinton using it on civilians (which it still is) and it being banned from use in combat -- but the only dots you really connected were between you and your rubber-padded cell at your asylum.
It's when he agreed it should be banned. He clearly thought they were too dangerous to use in combat, but was fine using against his own people. Very Saddam like really.
You're still lying as even your own link offered squat to suggest it was even on his radar in April, 1993.
huh? My link certainly highlights it was on the radar...as did yours...it was being worked out with foreign leaders.

Geez...you will go to any length possible to defend the barbaric, Saddam, Assad, like tactics by Dems...it's sad really
Oh? From where in your link does it suggest it was on his radar prior to the the Waco raid?

After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
 

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I said it was banned, and Clinton signed off on it being banned in 1993...which he did when he submitted the ban to the Senate.

Are you trying to suggest that he decided to just throw it in there 6 months later? It's certainly possible...maybe he did realize that after he had it used on American citizens that the rest of the world should ban it for combat as well...and maybe it's possible the rest of the world that watched Clinton and Reno's horrible abuse of power on their own citizens signed off in those few months...it's possible I guess...
You said it was banned in 1993. It wasn't.

You said Clinton used it while it was banned from Combat. He didn't.

You tried to connect the dots between Clinton using it on civilians (which it still is) and it being banned from use in combat -- but the only dots you really connected were between you and your rubber-padded cell at your asylum.
It's when he agreed it should be banned. He clearly thought they were too dangerous to use in combat, but was fine using against his own people. Very Saddam like really.
You're still lying as even your own link offered squat to suggest it was even on his radar in April, 1993.
huh? My link certainly highlights it was on the radar...as did yours...it was being worked out with foreign leaders.

Geez...you will go to any length possible to defend the barbaric, Saddam, Assad, like tactics by Dems...it's sad really
Oh? From where in your link does it suggest it was on his radar prior to the the Waco raid?

After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
Yep...he reviewed it, article by article....since Jan 1993...knowing full well how dangerous it was, and how the world was opposed to it and why....knowing it will be banned...but still, in an Assad like way, used it against his own people.

How can you defend this?
 

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I said it was banned, and Clinton signed off on it being banned in 1993...which he did when he submitted the ban to the Senate.

Are you trying to suggest that he decided to just throw it in there 6 months later? It's certainly possible...maybe he did realize that after he had it used on American citizens that the rest of the world should ban it for combat as well...and maybe it's possible the rest of the world that watched Clinton and Reno's horrible abuse of power on their own citizens signed off in those few months...it's possible I guess...
You said it was banned in 1993. It wasn't.

You said Clinton used it while it was banned from Combat. He didn't.

You tried to connect the dots between Clinton using it on civilians (which it still is) and it being banned from use in combat -- but the only dots you really connected were between you and your rubber-padded cell at your asylum.
It's when he agreed it should be banned. He clearly thought they were too dangerous to use in combat, but was fine using against his own people. Very Saddam like really.
You're still lying as even your own link offered squat to suggest it was even on his radar in April, 1993.
huh? My link certainly highlights it was on the radar...as did yours...it was being worked out with foreign leaders.

Geez...you will go to any length possible to defend the barbaric, Saddam, Assad, like tactics by Dems...it's sad really
Oh? From where in your link does it suggest it was on his radar prior to the the Waco raid?

After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
Yep...he reviewed it, article by article....since Jan 1993...knowing full well how dangerous it was, and how the world was opposed to it and why....knowing it will be banned...but still, in an Assad like way, used it against his own people.

How can you defend this?
Quote your article saying he reviewed it, "article by article, since January, 1993.
 

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I said it was banned, and Clinton signed off on it being banned in 1993...which he did when he submitted the ban to the Senate.

Are you trying to suggest that he decided to just throw it in there 6 months later? It's certainly possible...maybe he did realize that after he had it used on American citizens that the rest of the world should ban it for combat as well...and maybe it's possible the rest of the world that watched Clinton and Reno's horrible abuse of power on their own citizens signed off in those few months...it's possible I guess...
You said it was banned in 1993. It wasn't.

You said Clinton used it while it was banned from Combat. He didn't.

You tried to connect the dots between Clinton using it on civilians (which it still is) and it being banned from use in combat -- but the only dots you really connected were between you and your rubber-padded cell at your asylum.
It's when he agreed it should be banned. He clearly thought they were too dangerous to use in combat, but was fine using against his own people. Very Saddam like really.
You're still lying as even your own link offered squat to suggest it was even on his radar in April, 1993.
huh? My link certainly highlights it was on the radar...as did yours...it was being worked out with foreign leaders.

Geez...you will go to any length possible to defend the barbaric, Saddam, Assad, like tactics by Dems...it's sad really
Oh? From where in your link does it suggest it was on his radar prior to the the Waco raid?

After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
Yep...he reviewed it, article by article....since Jan 1993...knowing full well how dangerous it was, and how the world was opposed to it and why....knowing it will be banned...but still, in an Assad like way, used it against his own people.

How can you defend this?
Quote your article saying he reviewed it, "article by article, since January, 1993.
It's in your own QUOTE! Did you not read what you copied and pasted?
 

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I said it was banned, and Clinton signed off on it being banned in 1993...which he did when he submitted the ban to the Senate.

Are you trying to suggest that he decided to just throw it in there 6 months later? It's certainly possible...maybe he did realize that after he had it used on American citizens that the rest of the world should ban it for combat as well...and maybe it's possible the rest of the world that watched Clinton and Reno's horrible abuse of power on their own citizens signed off in those few months...it's possible I guess...
You said it was banned in 1993. It wasn't.

You said Clinton used it while it was banned from Combat. He didn't.

You tried to connect the dots between Clinton using it on civilians (which it still is) and it being banned from use in combat -- but the only dots you really connected were between you and your rubber-padded cell at your asylum.
It's when he agreed it should be banned. He clearly thought they were too dangerous to use in combat, but was fine using against his own people. Very Saddam like really.
You're still lying as even your own link offered squat to suggest it was even on his radar in April, 1993.
huh? My link certainly highlights it was on the radar...as did yours...it was being worked out with foreign leaders.

Geez...you will go to any length possible to defend the barbaric, Saddam, Assad, like tactics by Dems...it's sad really
Oh? From where in your link does it suggest it was on his radar prior to the the Waco raid?

After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
Yep...he reviewed it, article by article....since Jan 1993...knowing full well how dangerous it was, and how the world was opposed to it and why....knowing it will be banned...but still, in an Assad like way, used it against his own people.

How can you defend this?
Quote your article saying he reviewed it, "article by article, since January, 1993.
It's in your own QUOTE! Did you not read what you copied and pasted?
Seems you're just a pathological liar like Trump is. Nowhere did I quote, "since January, 1993..."

YOU said that. Your article didn't.
 

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I said it was banned, and Clinton signed off on it being banned in 1993...which he did when he submitted the ban to the Senate.

Are you trying to suggest that he decided to just throw it in there 6 months later? It's certainly possible...maybe he did realize that after he had it used on American citizens that the rest of the world should ban it for combat as well...and maybe it's possible the rest of the world that watched Clinton and Reno's horrible abuse of power on their own citizens signed off in those few months...it's possible I guess...
You said it was banned in 1993. It wasn't.

You said Clinton used it while it was banned from Combat. He didn't.

You tried to connect the dots between Clinton using it on civilians (which it still is) and it being banned from use in combat -- but the only dots you really connected were between you and your rubber-padded cell at your asylum.
It's when he agreed it should be banned. He clearly thought they were too dangerous to use in combat, but was fine using against his own people. Very Saddam like really.
You're still lying as even your own link offered squat to suggest it was even on his radar in April, 1993.
huh? My link certainly highlights it was on the radar...as did yours...it was being worked out with foreign leaders.

Geez...you will go to any length possible to defend the barbaric, Saddam, Assad, like tactics by Dems...it's sad really
Oh? From where in your link does it suggest it was on his radar prior to the the Waco raid?

After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
Yep...he reviewed it, article by article....since Jan 1993...knowing full well how dangerous it was, and how the world was opposed to it and why....knowing it will be banned...but still, in an Assad like way, used it against his own people.

How can you defend this?
Quote your article saying he reviewed it, "article by article, since January, 1993.
It's in your own QUOTE! Did you not read what you copied and pasted?
Seems you're just a pathological liar like Trump is. Nowhere did I quote, "since January, 1993..."

YOU said that. Your article didn't.
Wow...it appears not only do you lack critical thinking, and reading comp, you don't even bother to try and read what you, yourself posted:

After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
 

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Apparently, the Fucktard's pick to head the ATF is an anti-gun nut who has participated in the killing of innocent Americans (and lying about the circumstances)...

Biden ATF nominee is anti-gun lobbyist who was at Waco and lied about cult shooting down helicopters | Daily Mail Online


President of the National Association for Gun Rights Dudley Brown noted concerns regarding Chipman's role as a case agent for ATF in the Branch Davidian trial while he was based at the Waco field office.

'David Chipman has been on the leading edge of ATF scandals for decades, all the way back to Waco – and now he shills for gun confiscation with Gun Control Inc.,' Brown told Fox. 'Chipman has embraced every hair-brained gun control scheme proposed, so of course Biden and Harris chose him – he'll fit right in with their corrupt administration.'
Great. It looks like we finally have someone who wants to run the agency like it should be instead of turning that over to the NRA
So you think that shooting an innocent, unarmed woman and kid (Ruby Ridge) and helping kill a bunch of innocent kids (Waco) is the route the Democrats need to go???

Chipman should have been brought up on murder charges for his role in those fiascos....
Spare me. I'm sure I've heard all your nut bag conspiracy theories as many times as you have.
How about something that isn't a "conspiracy theory"...

If the government starts murdering innocent citizens, you'll need to oil up your dildos...

You will be looking at a civil war!!!
You let me know when that happens. Occasionally a cop will kill someone just for fun, but that is not the government. It's just a rogue cop breaking the law.






25 completely innocent children in Waco will disagree with you.
What a pity their parents didn't get them out of there in time.







What a pity the government decided to raid a group that didn't need to be raided. A group whose leader had a long history of surrendering when asked to.

What a pity the Search Warrant the agents used listed a whole shitpot full of LEGAL items, but not one item that was illegal.

What a pity you're so fucking stupid you need fascism to make yourself feel good.
It's nice to see you Nazi's support shooting cops.







It's so nice to see you nazis placing agents in situations they didn't need to be in. Four agents lost their lives that terrible day. Four families lost loved ones. THAT DIDN'T NEED TO BE LOST.

It was the arrogance of the ATF agent in charge, and his desire to show how ATF needed their SWAT team (which they didn't) that led to those four agents dying.

So take your faux concern for the lives of law enforcement and shove them up your ass.
 

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I said it was banned, and Clinton signed off on it being banned in 1993...which he did when he submitted the ban to the Senate.

Are you trying to suggest that he decided to just throw it in there 6 months later? It's certainly possible...maybe he did realize that after he had it used on American citizens that the rest of the world should ban it for combat as well...and maybe it's possible the rest of the world that watched Clinton and Reno's horrible abuse of power on their own citizens signed off in those few months...it's possible I guess...
You said it was banned in 1993. It wasn't.

You said Clinton used it while it was banned from Combat. He didn't.

You tried to connect the dots between Clinton using it on civilians (which it still is) and it being banned from use in combat -- but the only dots you really connected were between you and your rubber-padded cell at your asylum.
It's when he agreed it should be banned. He clearly thought they were too dangerous to use in combat, but was fine using against his own people. Very Saddam like really.
You're still lying as even your own link offered squat to suggest it was even on his radar in April, 1993.
huh? My link certainly highlights it was on the radar...as did yours...it was being worked out with foreign leaders.

Geez...you will go to any length possible to defend the barbaric, Saddam, Assad, like tactics by Dems...it's sad really
Oh? From where in your link does it suggest it was on his radar prior to the the Waco raid?

After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
Yep...he reviewed it, article by article....since Jan 1993...knowing full well how dangerous it was, and how the world was opposed to it and why....knowing it will be banned...but still, in an Assad like way, used it against his own people.

How can you defend this?
Quote your article saying he reviewed it, "article by article, since January, 1993.
It's in your own QUOTE! Did you not read what you copied and pasted?
Seems you're just a pathological liar like Trump is. Nowhere did I quote, "since January, 1993..."

YOU said that. Your article didn't.
Wow...it appears not only do you lack critical thinking, and reading comp, you don't even bother to try and read what you, yourself posted:

After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
LOLOL

Dumbfuck, you just quoted, "after...". So who know why you replaced "after" with "since...," other than to perpetuate your lies?

"After" ≠ "since." "Since" would include the end of January; where as "after" would be no earlier than "several months" later.

You just can't stop lying, can ya?
 

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I said it was banned, and Clinton signed off on it being banned in 1993...which he did when he submitted the ban to the Senate.

Are you trying to suggest that he decided to just throw it in there 6 months later? It's certainly possible...maybe he did realize that after he had it used on American citizens that the rest of the world should ban it for combat as well...and maybe it's possible the rest of the world that watched Clinton and Reno's horrible abuse of power on their own citizens signed off in those few months...it's possible I guess...
You said it was banned in 1993. It wasn't.

You said Clinton used it while it was banned from Combat. He didn't.

You tried to connect the dots between Clinton using it on civilians (which it still is) and it being banned from use in combat -- but the only dots you really connected were between you and your rubber-padded cell at your asylum.
It's when he agreed it should be banned. He clearly thought they were too dangerous to use in combat, but was fine using against his own people. Very Saddam like really.
You're still lying as even your own link offered squat to suggest it was even on his radar in April, 1993.
huh? My link certainly highlights it was on the radar...as did yours...it was being worked out with foreign leaders.

Geez...you will go to any length possible to defend the barbaric, Saddam, Assad, like tactics by Dems...it's sad really
Oh? From where in your link does it suggest it was on his radar prior to the the Waco raid?

After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
Yep...he reviewed it, article by article....since Jan 1993...knowing full well how dangerous it was, and how the world was opposed to it and why....knowing it will be banned...but still, in an Assad like way, used it against his own people.

How can you defend this?
Quote your article saying he reviewed it, "article by article, since January, 1993.
It's in your own QUOTE! Did you not read what you copied and pasted?
Seems you're just a pathological liar like Trump is. Nowhere did I quote, "since January, 1993..."

YOU said that. Your article didn't.
Wow...it appears not only do you lack critical thinking, and reading comp, you don't even bother to try and read what you, yourself posted:

After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
LOLOL

Dumbfuck, you just quoted, "after...". So who know why you replaced "after" with "since...," other than to perpetuate your lies?

"After" ≠ "since." "Since" would include the end of January; where as "after" would be no earlier than "several months" later.

You just can't stop lying, can ya?
Geez...after he took office in Jan....he started reviewing it, article by article....and still used the deadly and toxic gas that the world wanted banned in combat, that he agreed should be...on American citizens.

Do you think that makes your defense of Saddam Clinton any better? or more defendable?
 

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I said it was banned, and Clinton signed off on it being banned in 1993...which he did when he submitted the ban to the Senate.

Are you trying to suggest that he decided to just throw it in there 6 months later? It's certainly possible...maybe he did realize that after he had it used on American citizens that the rest of the world should ban it for combat as well...and maybe it's possible the rest of the world that watched Clinton and Reno's horrible abuse of power on their own citizens signed off in those few months...it's possible I guess...
You said it was banned in 1993. It wasn't.

You said Clinton used it while it was banned from Combat. He didn't.

You tried to connect the dots between Clinton using it on civilians (which it still is) and it being banned from use in combat -- but the only dots you really connected were between you and your rubber-padded cell at your asylum.
It's when he agreed it should be banned. He clearly thought they were too dangerous to use in combat, but was fine using against his own people. Very Saddam like really.
You're still lying as even your own link offered squat to suggest it was even on his radar in April, 1993.
huh? My link certainly highlights it was on the radar...as did yours...it was being worked out with foreign leaders.

Geez...you will go to any length possible to defend the barbaric, Saddam, Assad, like tactics by Dems...it's sad really
Oh? From where in your link does it suggest it was on his radar prior to the the Waco raid?

After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
Yep...he reviewed it, article by article....since Jan 1993...knowing full well how dangerous it was, and how the world was opposed to it and why....knowing it will be banned...but still, in an Assad like way, used it against his own people.

How can you defend this?
Quote your article saying he reviewed it, "article by article, since January, 1993.
It's in your own QUOTE! Did you not read what you copied and pasted?
Seems you're just a pathological liar like Trump is. Nowhere did I quote, "since January, 1993..."

YOU said that. Your article didn't.
Wow...it appears not only do you lack critical thinking, and reading comp, you don't even bother to try and read what you, yourself posted:

After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
LOLOL

Dumbfuck, you just quoted, "after...". So who know why you replaced "after" with "since...," other than to perpetuate your lies?

"After" ≠ "since." "Since" would include the end of January; where as "after" would be no earlier than "several months" later.

You just can't stop lying, can ya?
Geez...after he took office in Jan....he started reviewing it, article by article....and still used the deadly and toxic gas that the world wanted banned in combat, that he agreed should be...on American citizens.

Do you think that makes your defense of Saddam Clinton any better? or more defendable?
Wait, I'm still waiting for you to quote your own article which states Clinton reviewed it, "article by article," prior to the Waco raid.

Don't you find it as odd as I do that you can't do that despite claiming Clinton did that?
 

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I said it was banned, and Clinton signed off on it being banned in 1993...which he did when he submitted the ban to the Senate.

Are you trying to suggest that he decided to just throw it in there 6 months later? It's certainly possible...maybe he did realize that after he had it used on American citizens that the rest of the world should ban it for combat as well...and maybe it's possible the rest of the world that watched Clinton and Reno's horrible abuse of power on their own citizens signed off in those few months...it's possible I guess...
You said it was banned in 1993. It wasn't.

You said Clinton used it while it was banned from Combat. He didn't.

You tried to connect the dots between Clinton using it on civilians (which it still is) and it being banned from use in combat -- but the only dots you really connected were between you and your rubber-padded cell at your asylum.
It's when he agreed it should be banned. He clearly thought they were too dangerous to use in combat, but was fine using against his own people. Very Saddam like really.
You're still lying as even your own link offered squat to suggest it was even on his radar in April, 1993.
huh? My link certainly highlights it was on the radar...as did yours...it was being worked out with foreign leaders.

Geez...you will go to any length possible to defend the barbaric, Saddam, Assad, like tactics by Dems...it's sad really
Oh? From where in your link does it suggest it was on his radar prior to the the Waco raid?

After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
Yep...he reviewed it, article by article....since Jan 1993...knowing full well how dangerous it was, and how the world was opposed to it and why....knowing it will be banned...but still, in an Assad like way, used it against his own people.

How can you defend this?
Quote your article saying he reviewed it, "article by article, since January, 1993.
It's in your own QUOTE! Did you not read what you copied and pasted?
Seems you're just a pathological liar like Trump is. Nowhere did I quote, "since January, 1993..."

YOU said that. Your article didn't.
Wow...it appears not only do you lack critical thinking, and reading comp, you don't even bother to try and read what you, yourself posted:

After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
LOLOL

Dumbfuck, you just quoted, "after...". So who know why you replaced "after" with "since...," other than to perpetuate your lies?

"After" ≠ "since." "Since" would include the end of January; where as "after" would be no earlier than "several months" later.

You just can't stop lying, can ya?
Geez...after he took office in Jan....he started reviewing it, article by article....and still used the deadly and toxic gas that the world wanted banned in combat, that he agreed should be...on American citizens.

Do you think that makes your defense of Saddam Clinton any better? or more defendable?
Wait, I'm still waiting for you to quote your own article which states Clinton reviewed it, "article by article," prior to the Waco raid.

Don't you find it as odd as I do that you can't do that despite claiming Clinton did that?
Geez...now you are just trolling...I even bolded it for you

in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treat
 

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Apparently, the Fucktard's pick to head the ATF is an anti-gun nut who has participated in the killing of innocent Americans (and lying about the circumstances)...

Biden ATF nominee is anti-gun lobbyist who was at Waco and lied about cult shooting down helicopters | Daily Mail Online


President of the National Association for Gun Rights Dudley Brown noted concerns regarding Chipman's role as a case agent for ATF in the Branch Davidian trial while he was based at the Waco field office.

'David Chipman has been on the leading edge of ATF scandals for decades, all the way back to Waco – and now he shills for gun confiscation with Gun Control Inc.,' Brown told Fox. 'Chipman has embraced every hair-brained gun control scheme proposed, so of course Biden and Harris chose him – he'll fit right in with their corrupt administration.'
Great. It looks like we finally have someone who wants to run the agency like it should be instead of turning that over to the NRA
So this is how you think the ATF is supposed to be run?
AE8HmQa.jpg

Actually the duties of the ATF are as follows
ATF's responsibilities include the investigation and prevention of federal offenses involving the unlawful use, manufacture, and possession of firearms and explosives; acts of arson and bombings; and illegal trafficking of alcohol and tobacco products.
 

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I said it was banned, and Clinton signed off on it being banned in 1993...which he did when he submitted the ban to the Senate.

Are you trying to suggest that he decided to just throw it in there 6 months later? It's certainly possible...maybe he did realize that after he had it used on American citizens that the rest of the world should ban it for combat as well...and maybe it's possible the rest of the world that watched Clinton and Reno's horrible abuse of power on their own citizens signed off in those few months...it's possible I guess...
You said it was banned in 1993. It wasn't.

You said Clinton used it while it was banned from Combat. He didn't.

You tried to connect the dots between Clinton using it on civilians (which it still is) and it being banned from use in combat -- but the only dots you really connected were between you and your rubber-padded cell at your asylum.
It's when he agreed it should be banned. He clearly thought they were too dangerous to use in combat, but was fine using against his own people. Very Saddam like really.
You're still lying as even your own link offered squat to suggest it was even on his radar in April, 1993.
huh? My link certainly highlights it was on the radar...as did yours...it was being worked out with foreign leaders.

Geez...you will go to any length possible to defend the barbaric, Saddam, Assad, like tactics by Dems...it's sad really
Oh? From where in your link does it suggest it was on his radar prior to the the Waco raid?

After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
Yep...he reviewed it, article by article....since Jan 1993...knowing full well how dangerous it was, and how the world was opposed to it and why....knowing it will be banned...but still, in an Assad like way, used it against his own people.

How can you defend this?
Quote your article saying he reviewed it, "article by article, since January, 1993.
It's in your own QUOTE! Did you not read what you copied and pasted?
Seems you're just a pathological liar like Trump is. Nowhere did I quote, "since January, 1993..."

YOU said that. Your article didn't.
Wow...it appears not only do you lack critical thinking, and reading comp, you don't even bother to try and read what you, yourself posted:

After President Clinton took office in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treaty. Other factors also pushed the CWC to the back burner: President Clinton focused initially on domestic issues, such as reviving the weak U.S. economy, and his foreign policy agenda was dominated by crises he had inherited in Iraq, Haiti, and Somalia. The White House also faced delays in getting its senior political appointees confirmed by the Senate. As a result, it was not until November 23, 1993, that the President formally submitted the CWC to the Senate....
LOLOL

Dumbfuck, you just quoted, "after...". So who know why you replaced "after" with "since...," other than to perpetuate your lies?

"After" ≠ "since." "Since" would include the end of January; where as "after" would be no earlier than "several months" later.

You just can't stop lying, can ya?
Geez...after he took office in Jan....he started reviewing it, article by article....and still used the deadly and toxic gas that the world wanted banned in combat, that he agreed should be...on American citizens.

Do you think that makes your defense of Saddam Clinton any better? or more defendable?
Wait, I'm still waiting for you to quote your own article which states Clinton reviewed it, "article by article," prior to the Waco raid.

Don't you find it as odd as I do that you can't do that despite claiming Clinton did that?
Geez...now you are just trolling...I even bolded it for you

in January 1993, the submission of the CWC for Senate consideration was delayed for several months while the new administration prepared the detailed article-by-article analysis that customarily accompanies a treat
LOLOLOL

You said, "since." Your article said "after." You're such a pathological liar that you now cut out the word, "after" from that sentence.

You just can't stop lying, can ya?
 

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Apparently, the Fucktard's pick to head the ATF is an anti-gun nut who has participated in the killing of innocent Americans (and lying about the circumstances)...

Biden ATF nominee is anti-gun lobbyist who was at Waco and lied about cult shooting down helicopters | Daily Mail Online


President of the National Association for Gun Rights Dudley Brown noted concerns regarding Chipman's role as a case agent for ATF in the Branch Davidian trial while he was based at the Waco field office.

'David Chipman has been on the leading edge of ATF scandals for decades, all the way back to Waco – and now he shills for gun confiscation with Gun Control Inc.,' Brown told Fox. 'Chipman has embraced every hair-brained gun control scheme proposed, so of course Biden and Harris chose him – he'll fit right in with their corrupt administration.'
Great. It looks like we finally have someone who wants to run the agency like it should be instead of turning that over to the NRA
So this is how you think the ATF is supposed to be run?
AE8HmQa.jpg

Actually the duties of the ATF are as follows
ATF's responsibilities include the investigation and prevention of federal offenses involving the unlawful use, manufacture, and possession of firearms and explosives; acts of arson and bombings; and illegal trafficking of alcohol and tobacco products.
What role did he play in the Waco raid?
 

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