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Biden's nominee for ATF head is an anti-gun lobbyist who was at the Ruby Ridge standoff and Waco massacre

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That seems a little different then Clinton and Reno using the military to raid and burn down someone's home

Again, history is not part of your thinking. The WACO raid was ordered by the Bush holdover AG. Reno was having her confirmation stalled, and wouldn't take charge until the end.

 

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Timeline:

On February 28, 1993, more than 70 ATF agents raided the complex. Gunfire erupted—though it is uncertain who fired first—and during the two-hour battle, four federal agents were killed and more than a dozen injured. In addition, six Davidians reportedly died.

On March 11, 1993, Janet Reno was unanimously confirmed by the U.S. Senate to be the first woman Attorney General of the United States.

At approximately 6:00 am on April 19, 1993, the FBI began spraying tear gas into the complex. Soon thereafter, the Branch Davidians began firing weapons.

at 11:40 am the assault ended. Some 25 minutes later, the Branch Davidians set several fires
 

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When did Trump order the military to go to a "peaceful" protester's house and burn it down?

First, as even the republicans own congressional report concluded, they burned themselves down.

Second, what about Lafayette park. The only thing missing that day was the stormtrooper music.
Nope...they did not set fire to the compound...the fire was started by The Clinton Admin firing genedes, flash bombs, and CS gas into the home.

Last I checked nobody lived at the Park, nobody died, the US military wasn't used, let a lone military weapons. "Peaceful" protesters who had just spent the night firebombing a church and breaking into the Dept of Tres, where asked to move back out of the area, and refused...and began to get unruling again, throwing missles at police, and others....and some mash was used to push them back.

There is literally no comparison
 

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That seems a little different then Clinton and Reno using the military to raid and burn down someone's home

Again, history is not part of your thinking. The WACO raid was ordered by the Bush holdover AG. Reno was having her confirmation stalled, and wouldn't take charge until the end.

Reno was not a Bush holdover, and she ordered the raid.
 

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Apparently, the Fucktard's pick to head the ATF is an anti-gun nut who has participated in the killing of innocent Americans (and lying about the circumstances)...

Biden ATF nominee is anti-gun lobbyist who was at Waco and lied about cult shooting down helicopters | Daily Mail Online


President of the National Association for Gun Rights Dudley Brown noted concerns regarding Chipman's role as a case agent for ATF in the Branch Davidian trial while he was based at the Waco field office.

'David Chipman has been on the leading edge of ATF scandals for decades, all the way back to Waco – and now he shills for gun confiscation with Gun Control Inc.,' Brown told Fox. 'Chipman has embraced every hair-brained gun control scheme proposed, so of course Biden and Harris chose him – he'll fit right in with their corrupt administration.'
Great. It looks like we finally have someone who wants to run the agency like it should be instead of turning that over to the NRA
The way it was run at Waco?

It shouldn't be run at all. The ATF is an antiquated prohibition era agency which is hisgtorically one of the most unprofessional and incompetant law enforcement agencies in the nation. It should have been done away with a long time ago.
 

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That seems a little different then Clinton and Reno using the military to raid and burn down someone's home

Again, history is not part of your thinking. The WACO raid was ordered by the Bush holdover AG. Reno was having her confirmation stalled, and wouldn't take charge until the end.

Sorry, not sure how your link supports your claims or disproves mine

Actually it looks like before March 12th, the FBI was geting hostages out...

March 5
A 9-year-old girl is the last of 21 children to come out.

FBI profilers warn in a memo that increasing tactical pressure "could eventually be counterproductive and could result in loss of life."

Things drastically changed when Clinton got his AG in soon after that.

Frankly, your post is damaging to the Clinton FBI....

April 5
The Branch Davidians began observing Passover.

In a phone message to FBI headquarters, Waco tactical commanders say they won't try to fight fires that break out if there is a gas assault.


Wow they admit they'll let them burn!
 

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Nope...they did not set fire to the compound...the fire was started by The Clinton Admin firing genedes, flash bombs, and CS gas into the home.

At approximately 6:00 am on April 19, 1993, the FBI began spraying tear gas into the complex. Soon thereafter, the Branch Davidians began firing weapons. For more than five hours armored vehicles, some of which punched holes into walls, deposited 400 tear-gas canisters inside the compound; at 11:40 am the assault ended. Some 25 minutes later, the Branch Davidians set several fires,
 

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Actually, killing innocent (and unarmed) citizens is something we would expect from communists (like Pol Pot)...

But keep on with your assertion that killing those innocent kids at Waco, or Randy Weaver's unarmed (and innocent) wife and kid at Ruby Ridge is ok with the Democrats as long as it furthers their agenda..

Except they weren't innocent at Waco. They were molesting kids and selling illegal weapons. Then they shot four ATF agents.

The Nazis at Ruby Ridge weren't innocent, either. They shot a federal marshal.

Oh, and they certainly weren't "unarmed". They engaged in firefights with federal officers.

I find it hilarious the same people who think it was okay to kill George Floyd over a pack of smokes make excuses for people who have actually KILLED Federal LEOs.

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Oh, final point. There were three investigations into Waco, one of them run by Republican John Danforth, and they all concluded the Davidians committed mass suicide.
As usual you are massively ignorant of history.

There is no evidence of crminal behaviior from the cultists at Waco nor evidence of them selling illegal weapons.

It has bdecome clear that at Waco the ATF fired first without provocation triggering the fire fight making the shooting of those ATF agents legal self defense.

AT Ruby ridge it is well established that the Marshals fired first and the FBI commited murder.

Yes the Davidians commited suicide but that is irrelevant and does not excuse thejmidconduct of LEO which you love and approve of. You freak the fuck out when a black,violent drug addict dies in police custody. But you love and approve of the government ignoring due process and murdering its own citiens when they are right.

you are a racist a hypocrite and an uneducated liar
 

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Apparently, the Fucktard's pick to head the ATF is an anti-gun nut who has participated in the killing of innocent Americans (and lying about the circumstances)...

Biden ATF nominee is anti-gun lobbyist who was at Waco and lied about cult shooting down helicopters | Daily Mail Online


President of the National Association for Gun Rights Dudley Brown noted concerns regarding Chipman's role as a case agent for ATF in the Branch Davidian trial while he was based at the Waco field office.

'David Chipman has been on the leading edge of ATF scandals for decades, all the way back to Waco – and now he shills for gun confiscation with Gun Control Inc.,' Brown told Fox. 'Chipman has embraced every hair-brained gun control scheme proposed, so of course Biden and Harris chose him – he'll fit right in with their corrupt administration.'
Great. It looks like we finally have someone who wants to run the agency like it should be instead of turning that over to the NRA
So you think that shooting an innocent, unarmed woman and kid (Ruby Ridge) and helping kill a bunch of innocent kids (Waco) is the route the Democrats need to go???

Chipman should have been brought up on murder charges for his role in those fiascos....
Spare me. I'm sure I've heard all your nut bag conspiracy theories as many times as you have.

Deflection....or trolling, you decide. (maybe both?)



How about responding to the OP?
Easy to call anything you don't like trolling, isn't it? Waco and Ruby Ridge are the holy grail of conspiracy theories, and deserve to be labeled as such. I didn't bring such crap into the discussion. If conspiracy theories are the best reasons to oppose the new head of the ATF, then there is no valid reason for him to be opposed.


JFK and 911 are the holy grail of conspiracy theories.

The conspiracy theories about Waco and Ruby Ridge have been disproven and debunked but the murder and misconduct of fedeal agents at both places are not conspiracy theories.
 

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First, as even the republicans own congressional report concluded, they burned themselves down.

The video is easy to find—along with various bullshit efforts to explain it away—of a tank withdrawing from the compound, with a flamethrower shooting flames into the compound, just before the whole thing burned down.

 

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Yes the Davidians commited suicide but that is irrelevant
Pretty clear to intelligent people but maybe the small minded need clarification.

The remaining Davidians in the compound commited suicide in the end but the entire incident lasted weeks.

The first ones killed by the ATF did not commit suicide which is why it is irrelevant.
 

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First, as even the republicans own congressional report concluded, they burned themselves down.

The video is easy to find—along with various bullshit efforts to explain it away—of a tank withdrawing from the compound, with a flamethrower shooting flames into the compound, just before the whole thing burned down.

You see this is the fictional bullshit which allows the government to get away with wrong doing.

It is not a tank it is an M88 recovery vehicle, essentially a large wrecker or tow truck for damaged/disabled tanks and other armored vehicles. They are not equipped with weapons especially flame throwers.

there is no explaining it away because it is a ludicrous and stupid lie to claim it had a flame thrower and the film shows no such thing.
 

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You see this is the fictional bullshit which allows the government to get away with wrong doing.

It is not a tank it is an M88 recovery vehicle, essentially a large wrecker or tow truck for damaged/disabled tanks and other armored vehicles. They are not equipped with weapons especially flame throwers.

there is no explaining it away because it is a ludicrous and stupid lie to claim it had a flame thrower and the film shows no such thing.

How blind do you have to be to deny what the video very clearly shows?

There is no honest way to spin what happened in Waco as anything other than a horrendous and unmitigated act of mass murder on the part of the government, accompanied by a host of other lesser crimes leading up to it. Every government agent who had any part in this ought to have been charged with multiple[le murders, and put to death.

At least Janet Reno is now in Hell, where, hopefully, she will spend all eternity feeling her skin and her lungs being burned with no relief.
 

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You see this is the fictional bullshit which allows the government to get away with wrong doing.

It is not a tank it is an M88 recovery vehicle, essentially a large wrecker or tow truck for damaged/disabled tanks and other armored vehicles. They are not equipped with weapons especially flame throwers.

there is no explaining it away because it is a ludicrous and stupid lie to claim it had a flame thrower and the film shows no such thing.

How blind do you have to be to deny what the video very clearly shows?

There is no honest way to spin what happened in Waco as anything other than a horrendous and unmitigated act of mass murder on the part of the government, accompanied by a host of other lesser crimes leading up to it. Every government agent who had any part in this ought to have been charged with multiple[le murders, and put to death.

At least Janet Reno is now in Hell, where, hopefully, she will spend all eternity feeling her skin and her lungs being burned with no relief.
It is you who is blind. Any pre schooler can see there is no flame coming from the M88 it is simply a piece of debris reflecting light which snagged on the vehicle.

This complete and total proven horseshit of yours is why the government got away with wrong doing as it distracts from honest investigation.

The government has a lot to answer for at Waco it is true but not because of the lame FICTION that you are posting.

You are posting proven lies and allowing government apologists to avoid the real wrong doing.
 

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Nope...they did not set fire to the compound...the fire was started by The Clinton Admin firing genedes, flash bombs, and CS gas into the home.

At approximately 6:00 am on April 19, 1993, the FBI began spraying tear gas into the complex. Soon thereafter, the Branch Davidians began firing weapons. For more than five hours armored vehicles, some of which punched holes into walls, deposited 400 tear-gas canisters inside the compound; at 11:40 am the assault ended. Some 25 minutes later, the Branch Davidians set several fires,
hahah they didn't set the fires..the fire was set off by the genardes, flash bombs, and explosions from the CS gas.
 

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You see this is the fictional bullshit which allows the government to get away with wrong doing.

It is not a tank it is an M88 recovery vehicle, essentially a large wrecker or tow truck for damaged/disabled tanks and other armored vehicles. They are not equipped with weapons especially flame throwers.

there is no explaining it away because it is a ludicrous and stupid lie to claim it had a flame thrower and the film shows no such thing.

How blind do you have to be to deny what the video very clearly shows?

There is no honest way to spin what happened in Waco as anything other than a horrendous and unmitigated act of mass murder on the part of the government, accompanied by a host of other lesser crimes leading up to it. Every government agent who had any part in this ought to have been charged with multiple[le murders, and put to death.

At least Janet Reno is now in Hell, where, hopefully, she will spend all eternity feeling her skin and her lungs being burned with no relief.
It is you who is blind. Any pre schooler can see there is no flame coming from the M88 it is simply a piece of debris reflecting light which snagged on the vehicle.

This complete and total proven horseshit of yours is why the government got away with wrong doing as it distracts from honest investigation.

The government has a lot to answer for at Waco it is true but not because of the lame FICTION that you are posting.

You are posting proven lies and allowing government apologists to avoid the real wrong doing.
Are you trying to be serious with this?
 

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You see this is the fictional bullshit which allows the government to get away with wrong doing.

It is not a tank it is an M88 recovery vehicle, essentially a large wrecker or tow truck for damaged/disabled tanks and other armored vehicles. They are not equipped with weapons especially flame throwers.

there is no explaining it away because it is a ludicrous and stupid lie to claim it had a flame thrower and the film shows no such thing.

How blind do you have to be to deny what the video very clearly shows?

There is no honest way to spin what happened in Waco as anything other than a horrendous and unmitigated act of mass murder on the part of the government, accompanied by a host of other lesser crimes leading up to it. Every government agent who had any part in this ought to have been charged with multiple[le murders, and put to death.

At least Janet Reno is now in Hell, where, hopefully, she will spend all eternity feeling her skin and her lungs being burned with no relief.
Stating fact
It is you who is blind. Any pre schooler can see there is no flame coming from the M88 it is simply a piece of debris reflecting light which snagged on the vehicle.

This complete and total proven horseshit of yours is why the government got away with wrong doing as it distracts from honest investigation.

The government has a lot to answer for at Waco it is true but not because of the lame FICTION that you are posting.

You are posting proven lies and allowing government apologists to avoid the real wrong doing.
Are you trying to be serious with this?
Stating proven fact.
 

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It is you who is blind. Any pre schooler can see there is no flame coming from the M88 it is simply a piece of debris reflecting light which snagged on the vehicle.
Are you trying to be serious with this?

He probably is.

That's why government is able to get away with so much crap, is that there are people who will accept the lies that government tells them as “proven fact”, even when the clear evidence is put right in front of their eyes that proves the lies for what they are.

Note that exactly the same principle is driving the #CoronaHoax2020 today. It is obvious to anyone who dares to open his eyes, and to see and think for himself, how we are being lied to, in order to make us afraid and fearful over an exaggerated flu bug, in order to allow us to be stripped of freedoms and opportunities that we ought never give up. We've got brainwashed cretins not only allowing government to strip them of essential rights, but actually begging government to do so. All driven by the same cognitive weakness that allows a fool like Soupnazi630 to see a video that clearly shows a flamethrower being used to set a building on fire, and to believe that it is something else more benevolent.
 

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It is you who is blind. Any pre schooler can see there is no flame coming from the M88 it is simply a piece of debris reflecting light which snagged on the vehicle.
Are you trying to be serious with this?

He probably is.

That's why government is able to get away with so much crap, is that there are people who will accept the lies that government tells them as “proven fact”, even when the clear evidence is put right in front of their eyes that proves the lies for what they are.

Note that exactly the same principle is driving the #CoronaHoax2020 today. It is obvious to anyone who dares to open his eyes, and to see and think for himself, how we are being lied to, in order to make us afraid and fearful over an exaggerated flu bug, in order to allow us to be stripped of freedoms and opportunities that we ought never give up. We've got brainwashed cretins not only allowing government to strip them of essential rights, but actually begging government to do so. All driven by the same cognitive weakness that allows a fool like Soupnazi630 to see a video that clearly shows a flamethrower being used to set a building on fire, and to believe that it is something else more benevolent.
You did not present clear evidence you moron.

You fell for an idiotic lie and you are not in touch with how the government lies.

Conspiracy theory retards alway think they are the ones aware of the government lying while everyone else are gullible but the proven fact isyou are gullible and you are willfully lying about a video which does NOT fucking show what your weak theory claims it does.

You need to grow the fuck up and stop being so gullible and taken like a SAP

You are the fucking fool
There was no flame thrower period you blind as a bat dumbfuck

The government gets away with crap because people like ypou are too stupid and immature to think clearly and you fall for idiotic shit.
 

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